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I will read this Saturday afternoon Gamma. Any other questions for me before I go to bed? Or try?

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It is a confirmable action. Something in which can clear the recipient of being town or scum.

Meaning if someone says hey I saw X go to the kill on D3
But D1 and D2 pipe up and say they have fruit from player X already.
In that sense they are a proven factor to Watcher tracker combo and whoever else visited is outed guilty.

It clears itself through use and in a high PR setup like this is almost certainly Town. The more PRs the more certain Fruit Vendor is town.

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It isn't a clearer/confirmed as strong as cop or gunsmith but it is a confirmable role.

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Now in the scenario gunsmith + Fruit Vendor
Gunsmith hits fruit vendor's target
Fruit vendor hits town
Target claims they got fruit.

Circle jerk almost exclusively all three Town.

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Gamma when you get done please leave top two scumspects and top townreads please.

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Gamma I was protesting the attempt by Boring to do that so I ignored the ghost comment

i don't lynch ghosts.

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Gerry for those of us unsure like myself who are your two?

are you serious, i've said 100 times that there is 2 in iaws, momo slot and delta

And I want you to pick your two.

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Like you copy paste the player list and go "2 are in there" probably be right and it is useless.

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Gun to your head only two scum. No reasons why. That is what I am looking for. Then once that commitment is made expand.

We don't have if this person is scum lynches to play with.

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Gun to your head only two scum. No reasons why. That is what I am looking for. Then once that commitment is made expand.

We don't have if this person is scum lynches to play with.

Those are my top two.
Also, wtf Gerry?

That was to Boring not you.

I want everyone's top two.

Boring gave me an if then logic coroutine.

Boring straight answer give me your top two scumreads.

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That is not what I asked I am asking this question for a REASON.

Please stop trying to interrupt me like that.

I am trying to get people to realize something Gerry and your answer in the list with Delta/Gamma side by side does not answer it.

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I want everyone's top two scum picks.

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So let's figure this out then:

Every player list your top two scumreads right now (excluding me because IC)

Didn't boring ask pretty much the same question only a couple of days ago?

IAWS and TFL, one is outright scum, the other I forgot was playing.

-Town Conf-
MB

-Probably Town-
boring
gerry
GE (

I don't know which slot this is because it isn't on post 0, assuming momo

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-Probably Scum-
TFL
IAWS

No that was a different question assuming Boring flipped Town ......

I just want a simple two player answers no lists no rambles no anything. Who are the two scum?

Why is this so hard?

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Alright, caught up. My top two townreads are MB and Fuzzy, and my top two scumreads are Delta and Gerry. I'm voting Gerry since he has been really full force about pushing his agenda, so I believe he is more likely to be scum.
VOTE: Gerryoat
Boring, please vote Gerry instead of yourself.

Something like this:
Gamma - Delta and Gerry
Math - Insomniac and AnnoyingAF

Wait those aren't players....

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And if that is already done copy and paste and retype.

Rather than saying it is done for my own sanity.

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Boring I am not asking you to "lie for statistics" I am saying if you aren't there yet you aren't ready to end the day so Unvote.

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Do more sorting til you are ready.

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I do not want this day to end until every player can give me a raw honest authentic commitment to who the scum are.

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Why are you doubtful? Three days were added to the deadline due to Gamma coming in.

Do you think you would be this conflicted after 100 days of time?

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Fuzzy, boring, Gamma = all scum read Delta. Yet, not 1 will vote. And that worries me that something is wrong here

I have scumreads and I am not voting either. People are talking let talk happen good night

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Gamma I am sleepy as fuck but are you sure you aren't a read Math's mind PR because that I feel is happening. If you are please claim now so I can try to build a wall around my brain for future games.

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Asked and answered already becausenif Titus wasn't lynched that would have been LyLO and with the gunsmith claim on Boring all Titus would have to do is fake a guilty on someone.

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no, im not talkign about titus, I'm talking about impoetic. i TR her right away day 1

Again so....LyLO clean sweeps. These are things.

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I have bussed a top team Pr badly got the creds both townread clean sweep buddy never lynched.
Your question does not amuse me.

1800 was the game fyi.

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It isn't who you do or don't read as what alignment. It is why and if you believe it. Someone can be 100% right and scum or 0% right and Town.

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It isn't who you do or don't read as what alignment. It is why and

if you believe it.

Someone can be 100% right and scum or 0% right and Town.

Lazy answer begets lazy response.

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i never TR titus, i just tr her slot. I said her actions were bad

Yeah btw that was a nice tiptoe there, giving a "safe if you do safe if you don't" approach.

I believe I called this before Titus's flip, even.

I'm totally cool with bussing, but I would never pick someone to bus by their role. It would be according to the strength of their universal TR.

The only game I swept as scum, we picked off the most competent players (regardless of their reads), and then took over. I assume that's a pretty standard strategy, because our NKs fit the pattern.

I suspect that scum was going for a sweep. Now, they're having to reorganize

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Only people I see "reorganizing" is you and Gerry.

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You much more so that Gerry.

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VOTE: Gerry

...Now now we're all not voting til we give our top two scumreads cmon.

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I have to go because RL but be please don't hammer anyone while I am AFK.

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VOTE: Gerry

...Now now we're all not voting til we give our top two scumreads cmon.

Did this happen?

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transcend

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Okay you're trolling

@@transcend he did the mafia symbol. He's scum

FYI only maf uses facepalm unironically

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Gerry has no record of wanting to cop/investigate Transcend only passing comments I don't believe the claim.

Need to drive home now.

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Still on my way home.

I have posted since the claim literally two posts above. You aren't fucking reading.

Just had to make a pit stop.

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Will re review in the AM but that claim is terribad.

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DeltaW link please.

Boring and you wonder why I suspect you and Gerry it is shit like this.

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Forgetting your scumbuddy in a list of players. And defending him so hard. Both things are pretty common for scum, as far as I know.

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math, lets put it like this. say from your point of view, when i flip town, then what? are you gonna lynch boring into auto loss? or will you lynch the town in my 2/3? why not just lynch in one of my 2/3? thee is like 3 people wo scumread IAWS but no one will vote him. notice how IAWS was protecting titus slot, for even worse reason than i was, but then wants to lynch me so easily without saying "welll i tr titus slot too"

Neither.

If you flip Town I reread the entire game.

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Someone compile a list of top two scumreads please I am not asking for hard shit here

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Intent to hammer

Tomorrow I want a top scumread(s) depending on Gerry's flip.

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VOTE: Gerryoat

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No one vote we might have two scum alive.

Two goons against all this power doesn't make sense.

Same with boring dying.

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Actually yes Boring does if someone who doesn't know me made the kill.

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Votecount 3.Final

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Titus ,

Titus (5)

MathBlade , TheFuzzylogic99 , momo , Dunnstral , gerryoat , L-0

Not Voting (3)

DeltaW , IAlwaysWinSometimes , boring ,

Day three deadline is Sunday April 16, 11 PM PST. (expired on 2017-04-16 23:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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Me Fuzzy momo dunnstral and Gerry.

Dunnstral is confirmed Town
I am obvTown
Fuzzy is town by wagon.

Means either two scum bussed or that was an all town wagon preGerry.

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Gamma (momo) IAWS TFL and myself.

Common thread is momo/Gamma but would Gamma make that kill?

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I tunneled gerry hard.. Why would I do that as scum? If you give me a coherent answer I'll respect being suspected today.

Irrelevant who you tunnel it is why and if you believe it.
I have tunneled as scum to victory with that idea in mind.

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So behind VCA in the AM

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Nap time for me time is good time.

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LYLO will be Gamma, TFL and IAWS probably.

...One shot BP conf town me is going to LyLO I fucking hate that. I wish I could die but since it hasn't happened odds are remote.

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Unless there is only one more scum and this is horribly imbalanced.

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Generically you MIGHT suspect the off-wagon or non-voters more than the on wagon voters, but the only real question you need to ask was "was this lynch wagon villagery". Because if it felt villagery and righteous, you lynch off wagon, and if it was bullshit, you lynch on wagon.
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Titus wagon felt villagery.

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Votecount 3.Final

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Titus ,

Titus (5)

MathBlade , TheFuzzylogic99 , momo , Dunnstral , gerryoat , L-0

Not Voting (3)

DeltaW , IAlwaysWinSometimes , boring ,

Day three deadline is Sunday April 16, 11 PM PST. (expired on 2017-04-16 23:00:00)

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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This implies a scum in DeltaW and IAWS

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I look for the presence of a counterwagon, or far more tellingly, the utter lack of one. If there is no discernible counterwagon on a scum lynch, it's a safe bet scum bussed. Maybe even heavily. If on a scum lynch there is a counterwagon on a player who is known to be town, then the names there have a decent chance of being scum. This is not that common anymore, but sometimes it does still happen. If on a town lynch there is a counterwagon on a player who is known to be scum...then there's a reasonable chance you can use the safe/standard model of "scum voted town, town voted scum" with an above average accuracy.
that guy sitting out the day's lynch when it's town v town? That's scum with substantial probability.
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If on a town lynch there is a counterwagon on a town player, then the scum didn't care which got lynched--the scum are likely to be about evenly distributed between each wagon, and if there's players on neither wagon, there's a disproportionately high chance that the players off both wagons are scum.

--Mastina

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Votecount 3.04

gerryoat (2)

boring , IAlwaysWinSometimes ,

MathBlade (1)

Titus ,

Titus (3)

Dunnstral , MathBlade , TheFuzzylogic99 , L-2

TheFuzzylogic99 (1)

gerryoat ,

Not Voting (2)

DeltaW , momo ,

Day three deadline is Sunday April 16, 11 PM PST. (expired on 2017-04-16 23:00:00)

momo has been prodded

With 9 alive it takes 5 to lynch!

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Boring confirmed town. This makes IAWS almost certainly Town and then it is down to momo slot or DeltaW for me.

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Juri

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gerryoat

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Juri (2)hapahauli , Dunnstral

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momo (1)

boring

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Not Voting (5)

ThinkBig

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Titus

, projectmatt , TheFuzzylogic99 , Trivium ,

Why aren't you coloring yourself green?

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that's hardly a scumslip

I didn't say anything was a scumslip.
I just asked a question.

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However Gamma+IAWS back on the table.
But only if Gamma is scum.

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why because I stood up for him? I have a sinking feeling you could be scum

No. Because you stood up for him unnecessarily. I was actually thinking him not coloring himself in was townie for Gamma and was actually concerned with potential buddying til you posted that.

Yes...Because as scum I replace in bus both buddies and then have to solo a game and I am horrible at solo scum.
Because

that

makes sense. /sarcasm

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Lol wtf? 4 man team with strongman balances this.

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This implies a scum in DeltaW and IAWS

Yes, and 1 of the two of us is paired or there is no scum between us at all, leaving Gamma, why did someone say you would die tonight then?

Wtf on the or there is no scum between us.
You're still my primary suspect.

If we mislynch someone dies tonight. Period.

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that's hardly a scumslip

I didn't say anything was a scumslip.
I just asked a question.

You coding yourself as town when you were scum was funny.

What are you talking about?

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Juri

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gerryoat

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Juri (2)hapahauli , Dunnstral

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momo (1)

boring

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Not Voting (5)

ThinkBig

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Titus

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Why aren't you coloring yourself green?

I'm doing unbiased VCA.

Isn't coloring me in biased? Don't get me wrong I am Town and universally townread but technically not confirmed Town.

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Lol wtf? 4 man team with strongman balances this.

4 man with strongman seems scumsided imo

1 PR against all that (I am assuming not three goons) seems horribly townsided to me.

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I think it is DeltaW , Gamma, or Gamma and IAWS.

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The more I think about it the only active role is FV so goons could balance this out.

I think we lynch DeltaW today.

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Intent to hammer

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Is that a scum claim DW? Generally you claim and then give last reads.

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Sleepy as fuck but I think scum attempted to kill me to have control of hammer in LYLO.

Traditional response in 4p LyLO is to no lynch unless you are certain who scum are going to kill.

So we either A) Make the decision that I am confTown today and lynch within the other three
Or B) No lynch if you are uncertain and have scum make another NK.

So I am asking if we all believe I am Town and that a NK attempt on me happened?

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Posting dodge...People come say hi. AFK for RL most of today.

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Where is everyone ?

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I am still here....

MB
If you think we should vote no lynch today why haven't you done it yet????

Gamma
Do you think the scum tried to kill MB or just shot at him for fun

I didn't say that. I said what the traditional response is.

@TFL who do you scumread?

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I am still here....

MB
If you think we should vote no lynch today why haven't you done it yet????

Gamma
Do you think the scum tried to kill MB or just shot at him for fun

...You're also leaving out no kill.

This is weird yes but your questions are bad.

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It seems pretty obvious I am town.

Maybe we should vote a no lynch and try to force scum to make a nokill. I am not sure what to do right now/

This is even more ridiculous.
Scum would not no kill here. They would shoot me and finish me off.

That is why I said if you townread me we lynch today so we prevent crisscross derp.

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Okay let's assume I am Town because I am. Then scum shot me in order to stop me from going to LYLO.

This means we do not gain anything from no lynching.

This means I has hammers and we lynch today.

Make sense?

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Even if they did shot at you... I think that their plan would be to mismylnch today and make the kill tonight to win. I don't see scum trying to stretch the game out longer than they have to. Is there any reason to think that they would want to stretch out the game longer than necessary bc I don't see it. Yes making the last scum lynch today would be the optimal plan but I don't think it would hurt us if it did not happen.

The game pretty much depends on MB bc he is conftown at this point.

@ Mod..... can we poke IAWS with a sharp stick. He has been MIA for several days now/

Uhm yes it does hurt us to not lynch then it becomes lylo crossdom from hell.

Pretty much the two townies need to agree on who the scum is and if I agree with what they say I hammer. If I think there's scum in the two people voting then I ask the person I townread who the scum is. This prevents quick hammers. Lynching today is where we need to go and the only reason I don't see that happening is inactivity today.

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Gamma what do you make of Fuzzy's posting?

I am debating Fuzzy scum here. I feel like he is trying to fake paranoia versus having it.

The advocating for no lynch with conf town is equally bad.

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...I am conf town.

Killing tonight doesn't narrow jack.

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Reads

Town

MB
Boring

Not Sure
IAWS
Delta

not a lot on either to make me think one way or another

Scum leaning

MoMo- Seems like he could be a scum lurker and his vote on Titus could be a way of looking townie
Gerry- His defending of the Titus/Impoetic slot gives me pause. It could be his was just tunneling but I really need to find something that would make me think that before saying he is town

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Gamma your next post better be intent to vmake the someone.

IAWS you are needed here.

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Vote someone* wtf autocorrect

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I could have but I am also not stupid.

If I was scum I would kill anyone as I am universally townread and as soon as someone voted hammer. With how the thread is I don't need any more confirming as obvTown.

I did that to have Gamma take a stand somewhere as he was waffling and I wanted to see where he stood bullet to his head had to decide.

Fuzzy who do you think is scum?

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Oh you voted IAWS.

IAWS -- I am clear from your perspective.

I could hammer right now and win as scum yet I am not.

ConfTown.

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So scum has to be in Fuzzy/Gamma/IAWS

Can't believe we spent a few days proving that but whatever.

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IAWS I ask you again...who do you scum read?

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Consider if I do not hear an answer by 24 hours from now I am hammering.

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Did I mention how much I hate being conf Town in LYLO?

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Based on Trivium's ISO I am inclined to vote IAWS here.

Gamma Fuzzy -- Any doubts at all?

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Okay wth this point I think it is Gamma or IAWS.

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Fuzzy, you have a point about Momo. My ranked scum pool is iaws, delta, momo, gerry, and you. I'll be impressed if it's you, and dumbfounded if it's Math.

However, of the five who have chimed in, only you and IAWS don't want IAWS lynched. I hope Momo's replacement will help clarify things. Crossing my fingers for someone rational and communicative.

@mod, what are the rules on subins? Can players ask people to join games, or does that break the first rule of fight club?

RE: boring's thought experiment 2422

Gerry's reads: IAWS, DeltaW, Momo
Math's reads: IAWS, Boring's ghost!
IAWS's reads: Gerry, ?
Delta's reads: IAWS, Fuzzy
Fuzzy's reads: Momo, Gerry
Momo's replacement's reads:

Town forgive me if I have sinned.

VOTE: IAWS

Hammer time

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Well played Fuzzy.

*tips hat*

That bus was well done. Titus wow you bussed. Damn

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Yeah 2/3 scum on replace in.

Starting to get my replace in mojo back slowly.

Titus and Gerry well done

Everyone else GG

Sorry I had a feeling on Fuzzy then had a doubt I could be wrong but then with IAWS inactive and not trying I thought he resigned.

If he had done anything emotional I would have asked for unvotes.

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Fuzzy did a good job in LYLO play but what was up with LyLO no NK? Like if you had shot me it would have gone insta GG

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I don't think anyone can exactly fault you for hammering IAWS there. He simply refused to play at the most crucial point in the game. Gamma was playing very well and there was a point there where you were both scumreading TFL and it could've gone there if IAWS had done anything to town his slot up at all.

Yeah but then with IAWS not doing anything I looked at the replacements and who voted who and damn there was bussing all over the place. Not typical of Titus games so I went with IAWS who replaces USA.

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This is why you don't batshit insane deathtunnel my slot over stupid shit when I was fucking right about impoetic.

That day 1 was so far beyond uncool.

I agree you were right on impoetic but that was after my replace in.

Titus's hammer was TERRIBAD

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Yeah but then with IAWS not doing anything I looked at the replacements and who voted who and damn there was bussing all over the place. Not typical of Titus games so I went with IAWS who replaces USA.

I townread TFL initially for voting Titus, because Titus.

Except scum meta these days seems to be to hardbus and crossbus all game, so.. I guess no one is safe!

It definitely is rising in popularity. <3

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My scum games on MS are more varied now but 1800 and the newbie game I replaced into and some others I was a bus-o-matic. More mixed with recent completed games.

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I probably missed what you are referring to but it isn't entirely foreign to me.

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Thanks Nancy and BaeReed

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1841 I didn't bus except Infinity who had a guilty. That one I actually hard townread jarjar.

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I cant believe I won..I was sure I was dead in the water,

@MB
Your play was really good and you had me scared there, Don't be hard on yourself
On the Paranoia on the last day. It was real. I thought I was trapped and I was kind of freaking out a bit
Gery wanted me to kill you. I figured that since you were TR me all game it was best to keep you alive. I did a no kill bc it left open the option the mislynch. It left me open to mislynch either Gamma or IAWS.


well played everyone

You did good in LYLO. That quick IAWS vote probably saved you

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Just read the dead PT it was a well crafted and executed trap I almost saw through it No hard feelings anywhere.

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Fuzzy did a good job in LYLO play but what was up with LyLO no NK? Like if you had shot me it would have gone insta GG

i told him to hit you night 4 and 5 so it would be a 4 way mylo, but he didnt listen

The trap was well sprung he should have just shot me instead of no killed.
(If he had killed it would have been GG no night)
Killing me n4 and n5 gives control to Gamma.
He really rescued that slot and same 1v1 with IAWS happens.

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Tbh, this game was designed to fuck with Math's assumptions about my play. Titus teams don't bus. Both partners bussed me. Dunn also looked like a cop. We never tried bc Math would likely give a pass on that. I is sorry Math.

Never be sorry for winning <3

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What's with people and not understanding basic balance?

They haven't been taught by Senpai.

I expected a strongman or an additional member.

*hides from Mastina*

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Because JK+RB+BP is op as hell? Don't get me wrong glad we won but this was townsided.