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[MarioManiac4]

HYPEHYPEHYPEHYPE
VOTE: beeboy

[MarioManiac4]

Early readslist:
1. MarioManiac4- Town
2. beeboy- Mafia
3. GinghamDog- Mafia
4. Sobolev Space- Town
5. JasonWazza- Town
6. Writers Bloque (hydra of Zachstralkita and Narna)- Town
7. Zulfy- Town
8. Treblesome (A Semi-Secret Hydra)- Town
9. Edosurist- Town

[MarioManiac4]

so, what do y'all think of massclaiming hoods?

[MarioManiac4]

a) town won't try and hide their hoods like it's their Special Thing and place way too much importance on them
b) hood reads exist and if we don't massclaim hoods there will be hugely stretching town/scum cases on people and the game will be extremely confusing.

but hey, your turn. how doesn't it help, and why is asking about it scummy?

[MarioManiac4]

not really. townish + scummish things happen in hoods. i got some reads on my partners pregame. what is going to happen is that in order to give those reads, you will either have to lie about your feelings on in-game statements/exaggerate/not be honest with your reads. that's a huge false positive.

[MarioManiac4]

Who wants to be recruited into my hood? We have pizza and root beer.

depends, what pizza do you have

[MarioManiac4]

I've never played with neighborhoods, so I don't have an informed opinion about them, but Writers Bloque is making more sense here to me.

MM, can you elaborate on this?

what is going to happen is that in order to give those reads, you will either have to lie about your feelings on in-game statements/exaggerate/not be honest with your reads.

like
commonly it's easy to talk 1v1 with a person
generally, you will be able to gain a read based upon hood conversation (i have already done this)
but in order to back up your read you will be forced to give reasons that aren't your hood since your hood is *secret*
which will look dishonest and scummy because, well, it is

[MarioManiac4]

besides it's incredibly easy for scum to deduce who neighbours are
unless we go to lengths to hide hoods which is just silly

[MarioManiac4]

not rvs

VOTE: mm4

[MarioManiac4]

You're not wrong but it seems pointless to have these neighborhoods just to start with massclaiming them


I think there's a way to utilize the mechanics to town benefit. Just going with what seems instinctively "correct" right off the bat really isn't something that's appealing


Like, this is a question we have to answer at this second? I don't think so

the neighbourhoods can't even die, because of the neighbourizer function. it is highly doubtful claiming even matters considering you can just add whoever anyway and it makes it easier to express reads on people.
but if people don't want to do it we don't have to i guess.

[MarioManiac4]

it is highly doubtful claiming even matters considering you can just add whoever anyway

But if that's really your opinion, why were you pushing us to claim?

by "matters" i meant "matters negatively" because i'm assuming the negative implications are that scum can strategically kill because of the hoods
we still have the benefit of being able to speak about towny/scummy things in hoods

[MarioManiac4]

so, what do y'all think of massclaiming hoods?

Really my only issue is that you had to start with this out of the gate

Why is that bad? Usually I nitpick at little things to get out of RVS. In this game, we have something to discuss to avoid that, and although I was planning to say it to get the game started and reactions, I thought about it and I like the idea.

[MarioManiac4]

happy with my vote

[MarioManiac4]

aren't we all?

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Edosurist

[MarioManiac4]

a) that's not what my argument is, it's that some townies will place too much importance on the hoods when they could be scum-infested. that is antitown
b) that's also not what my argument is. i have made posts on this
c) yes it's pretty easy for townies to know who neighbours are if they actually try to look at things, easier for scum though, and there is no reason to hard-oppose it

even not liking the massclaim strat there's no reason to vote me here so zzzzz

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: beeboy
CHOOCHOO

Massclaiming hoods is stupid. We should just claim them as it becomes necessary, like Wroter's Bloque has said.

^not trying to read into the discussion, focusing on the surface-level setup discussion

[MarioManiac4]

sure it's not great whatever it's page 2

[MarioManiac4]

so i am happy to change this vote, though if i had a second vote it'd still be sitting on Mario.

If your push on me was a reaction test, why did you say this?

[MarioManiac4]

OK. So you were pushing on me for reactions.
What do you think of the reactions you got?
Why are you still voting me after openly admitting your vote was for reactions?

[MarioManiac4]

Yes, I do, because it's boring, pointless, and would be better focused on you actually trying to find scum.
I've read the last few pages. What happened was Treblesome is voting you for ~room things~ which may or may not be scummy, you responded with hyperagression, and Treblesome scumread you for that. Tell me if I missed anything. I might respond to more details later, but it's not my highest priority. I'm not discrediting your vote. Why would I need to discredit a vote that doesn't even have any reasoning?

[MarioManiac4]

You're not even pushing me for reactions though. What you are basically doing is continuing with a "reaction" test vote on Page 7, without even pushing me on reactions.
Reasoning doesn't matter if the reasoning doesn't make me scum at all.
VOTE: JasonWazza

[MarioManiac4]

No, you're reacting to me. I'm asking you questions. You responded unsatisfactorily. This doesn't mean you have actually been reaction-testing me.
I'm concerned about your vote on me because I think it comes from scum. If I was actually concerned about my ~wagon of rvsness~ I'd be pushing on all of the votes, or at least ones that actually gave reasons for me to be scum.

[MarioManiac4]

but in my limited experience, following someone around like this is more of a town thing to do, whereas scum would be more open to going after the next best thing.

Why do you think town/scum do this? Generally, I see the opposite.

[MarioManiac4]

to be honest I like never see that at all but your position on it seems genuine so it doesn't really matter

[MarioManiac4]

Why is it the first thing back you do is try and discredit the vote and not react to anything else that happened in 3/4 pages?

TR on mario is waning

i feel so betrayed

[MarioManiac4]

OK so this game is somewhere on the spectrum of death and I feel like I need to explain what I am saying about Jason because for some reason Sobolev seems to be agreeing with him and if I'm making what I am saying clear I can't think of a reason for someone to do that.
"It's almost like i push for reactions, but no you have to play the game your way don't you?"- This is JasonWazza justifying his vote on me. He says he is pushing for reactions, but nowhere is there actual

pushing

for those reactions. OK, so I hadn't posted for a while when that exact post was made; but even when I

was

posting, there was no actual pushing, and there is none now. Look at 38. What do you see here? What I see is Jason disagreeing with my points. (He's arguing with premises I didn't hold, but I doubt that's actually indicative of his alignment.) But where is the pushing? How does he want me to respond to these points? Basically, he's just calling my premise stupid and using that to vote for me. I don't see any questions pushing, I see a weak justification for a vote. And he was trying to call me pushing on him for that him actually taking the initiative for actually pushing for reactions, with his vote that was meant to push for reactions.
Instead, what I see there is Jason manufacturing a weak scumread on Page 2, and lingering onto that scumread because he doesn't want to push any new content. His read is stale, and although it's a "push for reactions" which is supposed to look like scumhunting, in reality, it's a substitute for scumhunting.

[MarioManiac4]

Mod; have you issued prods to the 4 players (beeboy, Edosurist, JasonWazza and Zulfy) who have not posted for over 2 days?

[MarioManiac4]

Mario why do you think Jason decided to lie later on about his initial push on you?

Because Treblesome had pushed him on it and he wanted to defend his stance but didn't really want to re-evaluate his position, so he took the out that it was a reaction test. Why do you think he would do it as town?

[MarioManiac4]

Sobolev vs Bloque feels like it's mostly going over my head largely because I don't know the position WB is trying to hold; they're refuting SS's case but not really talking about why she is scum for it. Bloque's comments earlier about me being scum for bringing hoodclaim up in RVS was not great, but it feels more like town who just made a point that wasn't logically sound on a whim due to them admitting its weakness later on.

[MarioManiac4]

I'm honestly fine with lynching any of Edos, Beebs, Jason and Zulfy.
WB is probably lower than null but is also producing content and is not particularly a scumread so I don't really want/need to push it right now.

[MarioManiac4]

because the chance of you having a scum role pm is higher than average

[MarioManiac4]

sinks

[MarioManiac4]

I like a beeboy lynch. Does anyone like a beeboy lynch?

[MarioManiac4]

Why is it the first thing back you do is try and discredit the vote and not react to anything else that happened in 3/4 pages?

TR on mario is waning

^this is where sobolev agreed. i'm kinda tired rn, i'll sort edos later

[MarioManiac4]

We're lynching ZZZX today because there is no viable time to generate a counterwagon; there may be a nolynch so unless it's necessary it probably isn't a good idea to lynch outside that.
Edos pinged me by saying that Treble is scum if ZZZX is town btw

[MarioManiac4]

Ain't taking that

Are you going to try to help town after your death/avoid your lynch?

[MarioManiac4]

(You should also claim here.)

[MarioManiac4]

h a m m e r o f j u s t i c e

[MarioManiac4]

ZZZX, Town Game Enabler, was lynched on Day 1! The game has ended in a Mafia victory!

[MarioManiac4]

ANOTHER WIN CONDITION HAS BEEN REACHED:
MarioManiac4, Town Chikorita, has been endgamed!
Treblesome, Town Musical, has been endgamed!
Beeboy, Town Shadow, has been endgamed!
Edosurist, Town Dayvig, has been endgamed!
Landmark, Town Neverposter, has been endgamed!
GinghamDog, Town Pizza, has been endgamed!

The Werewolf team of Zachstralkita and Narna has also won the game!

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: Ircher
Let's lynch the last scum and go home.

[MarioManiac4]

Gg

[MarioManiac4]

Edos is a shitty vote btw.

[MarioManiac4]

Ircher your catchup is bad assuming this isn't over

[MarioManiac4]

I'm not bothering to answer unless Sobolev retracts. Even then you'll probably have to wait til Monday. I'm on mobile only.

[MarioManiac4]

Wow I was actually alright this game

[MarioManiac4]

That's like the shittiest claim ever but because it'd be suicide as scum I believe it

[MarioManiac4]

Because you didn't read and thought Beeboy was the strongest town player.

[MarioManiac4]

Because you didn't read and thought Beeboy was the strongest town player.

Nope, absolutely not.

My top townread was on Treblesome.

Edosurist and Beeboy were in my scum pool.

Your slot was on the null side.

You asked why scum would kill beeboy and you went on a rant about you being town.
As either alignment the play here is to selfhammer

[MarioManiac4]

Spoiler: Rogue Quote

Night Start, 72h N0, No scum kill N0, 48h Days, and 120h N1+ sounds good.

Yeah, I actually like that a lot better! I expected nights to be a bit more than they were!

Hey I scumread Jason

GG all! Everyone here was great to play with.

A Mod's job is never done!

[MarioManiac4]

Uhhh no idea why I quoted that

[MarioManiac4]

I think this game needs shorter deadlines at the Night. Day neighbouring would be helpful, as well.

Also why did most ppl think I would hardbus lmao

[MarioManiac4]

VOTE: beeboy
MY HOPE WILL NEVER DIE

[MarioManiac4]

What
How did the beeboy kill make me suspect, Mario?

you were a recent replacement

[MarioManiac4]

a player who wasn't wouldn't have killed beeboy, therefore {gamma, ircher}

[MarioManiac4]

Why wouldn't a recent replacement kill beeboy tho

Assuming you meant would: because they thought he was the strongest town player and therefore the best elimination (was my reasoning)

pedit: ok that works too \o/ not like this really matters