Mafia 73: NEGWLTWWWTKY - Abandoned!

[Spambot]

Kill me. I dare you. I call spambot.

Wait, what? Where the hell did this come from? Are people even voting for you? Why are you freaking out?

[Spambot]

@ Schis.

im not scum.

Ok.

Vote: schismatized

Let me get this straight. Is this the Spambot post that is a bee in your bonnet?

Is it correct that you have only one vote?

Is it correct that this single vote is Spambot's?

Is it correct that before his recent vote of you, Spambot didn't even suspect you?

Is it correct that you are now challenging Spambot to "kill" you?

Is it correct that, since he's already voting you, Spambot is quite unlikely to hammer you?

Just making sure I've got the facts.

Oh hey, I didn't realize that was him. What an awesome OMGUS. Come on, Schis, you should vote for me so we can BATTLE. And by battle, I mean lynch you.

[zu_Faul]

Just a heads-up. I have very busy two weeks. It will all be better starting Saturday.

[vollkan]

@Spambot: Two questions:
1) Do you want to lynch schism?
2) If yes, why do you think schism is scum?

[Xylthixlm]

unvote Toaster Strudel, vote schismatized

FoS Toaster Strudel

IGMEOY vollkan

[Spambot]

@Spambot: Two questions:
1) Do you want to lynch schism?
2) If yes, why do you think schism is scum?

I'll answer your questions when you answer mine.

[Shanba]

Vote Count:

5: TS

(Panzerjager, Zu_Faul, IH, Battle Mage)

3: Battle Mage

(Erg0, TS, Panzerjager)

2: Zu_Faul

(hasdgfas, vollkan)

2: hasdgfas

(Bookitty, schismatized)

2: schismatized

(Spambot, xylthixlm)

1: Spambot

(JordanA24)

1: Erg0

(Setael)

Not Voting:

YagamiLight

prods sent out

[Spambot]

Schis is still voting for Haagendaas post-claim? Oh man, can I vote him harder? I want to vote him harder.

[vollkan]

Vollkan, why did you ignore me when I pointed out that you seem to be skimming?

My writing "you" was just a typing error. It's unusual for someone to answer a question like that for someone, so habit forced me to write "you" in there. I didn't mean to ignore it, but I finished the thought I was writing then kept scrolling down by accident - forgetting it.

So, you are saying that you'd be happy with killing just about anybody? That is what this is kind of implying.

I said what I meant and I meant what said.

My vote is on 6 (zu). It could easily go on 1 (BM). I haven't reviewed the others yet.

Where did I even hint that I was happy "killing just about anybody". I specifically stated who I was happy to vote, and declared I had not yet properly reviewed those besides.

[Bookitty]

My meta on Battle Mage argues that he's likely scum.

I don't think Toaster Strudel's vote analysis is foolproof until you have at least one scum identified, so I'm not basing my opinion solely on hers (for instance, I'm not scum, so I'm certain it's not right in that case) but I've seen it be very accurate in a finished game, so I'm not going to dismiss it either.

At this point, I'm pretty sure Vollkan is town, which means that Quagmire was town, which is irritating. But I share Vollkan's suspicions of Zu Faul, and I look forward to his analysis of me.

I apologise for my absence from this game, but I've been fighting with a cold for weeks now and I haven't kept up with things as I should. Trying to catch up now.

unvote; vote Battle Mage

[Spambot]

Vollkan, why did you ignore me when I pointed out that you seem to be skimming?

My writing "you" was just a typing error. It's unusual for someone to answer a question like that for someone, so habit forced me to write "you" in there. I didn't mean to ignore it, but I finished the thought I was writing then kept scrolling down by accident - forgetting it.

I don't believe you. I stated, at the very beginning of that post of mine, that I was answering for somebody. This sounds like a made up reason, and isn't consistent at all with what happened. Why did you ignore me the first time I asked you about this?

So, you are saying that you'd be happy with killing just about anybody? That is what this is kind of implying.

I said what I meant and I meant what said.

My vote is on 6 (zu). It could easily go on 1 (BM). I haven't reviewed the others yet.

Where did I even hint that I was happy "killing just about anybody". I specifically stated who I was happy to vote, and declared I had not yet properly reviewed those besides.

Fair enough, but I am getting a bloodthirsty vibe from you.

[Spambot]

My meta on Battle Mage argues that he's likely scum.

I don't think Toaster Strudel's vote analysis is foolproof until you have at least one scum identified, so I'm not basing my opinion solely on hers (for instance, I'm not scum, so I'm certain it's not right in that case) but I've seen it be very accurate in a finished game, so I'm not going to dismiss it either.

At this point, I'm pretty sure Vollkan is town, which means that Quagmire was town, which is irritating. But I share Vollkan's suspicions of Zu Faul, and I look forward to his analysis of me.

I apologise for my absence from this game, but I've been fighting with a cold for weeks now and I haven't kept up with things as I should. Trying to catch up now.

unvote; vote Battle Mage

What? Why do you think BM is scum? You provide zero actual reasons in this post.

[Xylthixlm]

At this point, I'm pretty sure Vollkan is town, which means that Quagmire was town, which is irritating.

Why are you sure vollkan is town?

[vollkan]

I don't believe you. stated, at the very beginning of that post of mine, that I was answering for somebody. This sounds like a made up reason, and isn't consistent at all with what happened.

That's your prerogative. I made a typo. How am I being inconsistent?

I Why did you ignore me the first time I asked you about this?

As I said - I forgot to address it. I didn't consciously bypass your question. Why would I?

Fair enough, but I am getting a bloodthirsty vibe from you.

"I'm wrong, but I am going to convert this to a subjective feeling so he won't keep pushing me"

[Xylthixlm]

vollkan, name four players you are reasonably sure are town.

[vollkan]

That's not the way I play this game Xyl. I don't state alignments without having pbped. I play neutral until guilty or innocent and (you can meta me on this) I will only very rarely have anyone even slightly in the "innocent" classification.

[Spambot]

I don't believe you. stated, at the very beginning of that post of mine, that I was answering for somebody. This sounds like a made up reason, and isn't consistent at all with what happened.

That's your prerogative. I made a typo. How am I being inconsistent?

I don't believe your explanation. Like, you read the post, then forgot what it said immediately? I'm not buying that, not from somebody that seems to be an analyst of sorts.

I Why did you ignore me the first time I asked you about this?

As I said - I forgot to address it. I didn't consciously bypass your question. Why would I?

Timeline time! After the post in which you responded with the typo, this happened:

So, do you feel that lurking=scummy?

I know I'm answering for him, but YES YES YES. Lurking is lazy, you are not helping the town at all, often you could be giving away that you're a power role, and it is making it impossible to tell who is scum lurking and who is just a terrible townie.

Lurking is anti-town behavior, 100%. Scum hate posting. Townies are lazy. If no townies are lazy, scum are in trouble.

Jordan didn't ask you if lurking is "anti-town". He asked you if it is "scummy". We all know lurking is anti-town. We want to know why it is scummy.

Because scum are scared of posting, because every post is a chance to screw up. And he didn't ask *me* anything, and I said as much in the post. For somebody so thorough, you didn't read that very closely.

Yes, scum have good reason to be fearful about screwing up. But lurking will, if dealt with properly, result in them being subjected to questioning - which they may not otherwise receive. As in, it is often much safer to hide just out of the spotlight (or, if circumstances suit, within it).

Now, in the post you quoted, I called you out on this "typo" and that you eemed to not be reading things closely. IN YOUR RESPONSE, YOU DO NOT READ IT CLOSELY. Seriously, you completely ignore my attack on you and talk about the meta-lurking stuff. WHY did you ignore that part? This is what I'm getting at, and you going "Ha, I made a typo oopsie" is not flying. If that was actually the case, why didn't you say it here? Instead, a bunch of posts go by, and I have to ask again.

So, tell me, why is it like pulling teeth getting you to explain this? I mean, you are claiming that you just subconsciously skimmed over half of two of my posts that you were responding to? That's a load of crap.

Fair enough, but I am getting a bloodthirsty vibe from you.

"I'm wrong, but I am going to convert this to a subjective feeling so he won't keep pushing me"

Haha, you think that YOU are pushing on ME? Dude, you should totally vote for me. DO IT COWARD.

[Spambot]

That's not the way I play this game Xyl. I don't state alignments without having pbped. I play neutral until guilty or innocent and (you can meta me on this) I will only very rarely have anyone even slightly in the "innocent" classification.

This isn't terribly relevant to what is going on, but that is the exact opposite of how I play. Most "scum" tells seem to be more often non-tells, and townies being dumb. I am much, MUCH better at reading people as town then scum. Scum are hard to find, because they are trying their hardest to hide. Townies are not hard to find, because they want you to find them and are just being themselves. This is why lurking hurts the town, I can't get a read on you if you're not posting, so you end up on the scummy list a lot.

So, hey, there is a relevant point in this after all.

STOP LURKING YOU JERKS.

[vollkan]

I don't believe your explanation. Like, you read the post, then forgot what it said immediately? I'm not buying that, not from somebody that seems to be an analyst of sorts.

Actually, this is the sort of error I am most prone to making. See my first incarnation in Mini 542 (still ongoing, but I died as town) where I also confused two players and got criticised because I seemed "otherwise intelligent". When I am making a point, I can lose track of broader context and make errors in my typing.

Now, in the post you quoted, I called you out on this "typo" and that you eemed to not be reading things closely. IN YOUR RESPONSE, YOU DO NOT READ IT CLOSELY. Seriously, you completely ignore my attack on you and talk about the meta-lurking stuff. WHY did you ignore that part? This is what I'm getting at, and you going "Ha, I made a typo oopsie" is not flying. If that was actually the case, why didn't you say it here? Instead, a bunch of posts go by, and I have to ask again.

I've answered this already.

I didn't mean to ignore it, but I finished the thought I was writing then kept scrolling down by accident - forgetting it.

I'll elaborate if that helps:
I disagreed with you about the scum lurking point. Thus, I composed my rebuttal to you. In the process of that, I was no longer focussed on your post, but on what I was writing. Once I had made that point, I "checked off" that bit as having been responded to and continued on, forgetting about the last bit.

Haha, you think that YOU are pushing on ME? Dude, you should totally vote for me. DO IT COWARD.

I was referring to the specific issue of me apparently wanting to lynch any of the six, where I showed you wrong. Then you reduce it to a subjective feeling, ending that discussion but still managing to declare me as "bloodthirsty" despite no evidence.

[PJ.]

Responding to prod.

[Bookitty]

What? Why do you think BM is scum? You provide zero actual reasons in this post.

That's absolutely not true. I said my meta on Battle Mage was that he was acting as he does as scum here. You may not like that reason, but it DOES constitute an actual reason. I can't provide you with a meta read on him, sadly, because 1) the games are ongoing, though he's dead and 2) if you haven't done the meta research on him yourself why would you believe me anyway? But knowing how someone acts when they're scum DOES constitute a reason. I didn't call for his lynch, I put a vote on him.

Why are you defending him so strongly, Spambot?

At this point, I'm pretty sure Vollkan is town, which means that Quagmire was town, which is irritating.

Why are you sure vollkan is town?

Nice subtle misquote. I said I was "pretty sure". Vollkan's stated suspicions are about the same as mine, and his analysis of the game is actually helpful.

Did you think Quagmire was scum during your reread, Xylthixlm?

[Spambot]

Responding to prod.

Responding to prod means actual posting something worthwile.

[Spambot]

What? Why do you think BM is scum? You provide zero actual reasons in this post.

That's absolutely not true. I said my meta on Battle Mage was that he was acting as he does as scum here. You may not like that reason, but it DOES constitute an actual reason. I can't provide you with a meta read on him, sadly, because 1) the games are ongoing, though he's dead and 2) if you haven't done the meta research on him yourself why would you believe me anyway? But knowing how someone acts when they're scum DOES constitute a reason. I didn't call for his lynch, I put a vote on him.

Why are you defending him so strongly, Spambot?

Ok, I am pretty sure meta you are scum. You see how that works? I can just say stuff without backing it up, too. Why don't you tell me something scummy BM has done? If you'd just said "hay, he's lurking" then I wouldn't have much of a problem. But you just said "long post, throwaway meta line, vote BM." and that is pretty weak.

I am not defending him, I am taking issue with your weak vote. Way to try and turn this on me, though.

At this point, I'm pretty sure Vollkan is town, which means that Quagmire was town, which is irritating.

Why are you sure vollkan is town?

Nice subtle misquote. I said I was "pretty sure". Vollkan's stated suspicions are about the same as mine, and his analysis of the game is actually helpful.

Did you think Quagmire was scum during your reread, Xylthixlm?

Yes, the incredibly huge difference between sure and "pretty" sure. Are you seriously arguing semantics now? You don't even answer why you are PRETTY sure he's town, thus avoiding the question and turning it into a fight about something else.

I could get behind lynching any of Panzer, Schis, or Bookitty at this point. First choice is still Schis.

[Bookitty]

Ok, I am pretty sure meta you are scum. You see how that works? I can just say stuff without backing it up, too. Why don't you tell me something scummy BM has done? If you'd just said "hay, he's lurking" then I wouldn't have much of a problem. But you just said "long post, throwaway meta line, vote BM." and that is pretty weak.

If you can show how my play here is consistent with my play as scum elsewhere, fine and good. I welcome that kind of analysis. Since other people in this game do have relevant experience with my playstyle, and indeed of Battle Mage's, and since to my knowledge I've never played with you, I'd be happy to provide you with representative games on which to base a meta. The difference between your example and mine is that I do have a decent meta read on Battle Mage, and you don't have a decent meta read on me. (If I'm mistaken, please feel free to provide that evidence.)

You're arguing that you're "finding town" and then the ones who are left must be scum -- what's your success rate with this method?

[Spambot]

Ok, I am pretty sure meta you are scum. You see how that works? I can just say stuff without backing it up, too. Why don't you tell me something scummy BM has done? If you'd just said "hay, he's lurking" then I wouldn't have much of a problem. But you just said "long post, throwaway meta line, vote BM." and that is pretty weak.

If you can show how my play here is consistent with my play as scum elsewhere, fine and good. I welcome that kind of analysis. Since other people in this game do have relevant experience with my playstyle, and indeed of Battle Mage's, and since to my knowledge I've never played with you, I'd be happy to provide you with representative games on which to base a meta. The difference between your example and mine is that I do have a decent meta read on Battle Mage, and you don't have a decent meta read on me. (If I'm mistaken, please feel free to provide that evidence.)

You're missing my point. For all I know, you are lying about this read on BM, and all you are really doing is saying you're gut and games in progress are making you think BM is scum. I think that's weak, and you might be lying and just using that as an excuse to hop on the most convenient wagon.

And I am not going to go read a bunch of games just to get a better idea of how everybody plays.

You're arguing that you're "finding town" and then the ones who are left must be scum -- what's your success rate with this method?

Pretty good. In a couple of my recent games, on day 3 I had a list of possible scum that had about 6 people on it and all or all but one of the scum were on it. Of course, it's hard to convince people that I'm right, even when it's demonstrable I've been correct in the past.

Up until that point, it's basically just figuring out who is the best odds lynch. Right now, I think that is Schis because he is lurking and HUGELY overreacted to a poke. I want to hear his responses first, but his last few posts have set of all kinds of alarm bells.

Why don't you try and convince me that BM would be a better lynch?