Mini 1936: Yume's Cutsie U-Pick (Town Win!)

[The Wood Cutters]

Like you don't get to fucking call me scum because I have a very clear problem with something that is very clearly a problem and I feel like if you had an actual reason to townread each other you'd say it.

Hey I wasn't the one who said you were scum.
I mean it's possible you are but I wasn't the one who said it.

[Reasonably Rational]

anti-town RC is scum!RC.

You know full well that this is not true.

Seconded. RC is quite capable of being very anti-town, as town, in my limited experience. Simply their posting style alone is arguably anti-town...so that argument really doesn't hold any water.

Do you have some reason to believe that Saph?

-Cerb

[Aristophanes]

Missed the pagetop

Then got ninja'd :O

VC 1.2

Reasonably Rational

(3): Yume 9, Dioscuri 21, The Wood Cutters 199

Yume

(1): Radical Rat 12

The Wood Cutters

(1): Randomidget 65

Sappho

(1): RadiantCowbells 120

RadiantCowbells

(1): Scott and Ramona 168

Not Voting

(6): Raya36, Varsoon, Sappho, gerryoat, Kingmaker, Reasonably Rational

With 13 alive, it takes 7 votes to lynch.
D1 will end when a hammer is reached or on August 26/17 at 10:30am EST in (expired on 2017-08-26 10:30:00)

Mod Notes:

Nothing. I love you all!!! <3

[Reasonably Rational]

I have asked repeatedly for reasons to be given.

And we've told you repeatedly you're not likely to get them.

I don't need detailed reasons, but an answer of gut, meta, or other, would be helpful.

-Cerb

[Sappho]

anti-town RC is scum!RC.

You know full well that this is not true.

Bullshit. This is entirely true.
I correctly figured out you were scum in double day hydra and I have done so here as well.
The only problem is nance thinks you're town because she's absolutely awful at reading you.

Why don't you take a step back and, instead of claiming,

explain

to me why I should be townreading TWC?

No.
You won't talk to me about the slots I actually need help reading this game.
So no. I'm not walking you through in baby steps how this is the same lover from KH when you know I struggled with that all through that fucking game and trying to explain how it was my town lover.
I'm not going to start that exhausting same process of restating how she's town over and over and over again for people to go "but she knows that's her meta and can change it" when we both know full well this is her fucking town game.

[The Wood Cutters]

Ruby! We can worry about Ruby later.

Not really seeing as how our plan is to get nightkilled.

Is that so?
- Scott

Indeed it is! It's always my plan when I land town and I think Ginngie might actually have incentive to be nightkilled? And really Nacho's main reason to not be nightkilled is to play with us but we've played together more in 36 hours than we did the whole game of our last Woodcutters hydra, so.

We're good. <3

[The Wood Cutters]

I'm pretty pissed off at both hydras regardless of alignment.

[RadiantCowbells]

No.
You won't talk to me about the slots I actually need help reading this game.
So no. I'm not walking you through in baby steps how this is the same lover from KH when you know I struggled with that all through that fucking game and trying to explain how it was my town lover.
I'm not going to start that exhausting same process of restating how she's town over and over and over again for people to go "but she knows that's her meta and can change it" when we both know full well this is her fucking town game.

Baby me, then. I'll give you reads on other people if you give me the reads that I'm interested in.

[Reasonably Rational]

RC, what's your certainty level here on your read?

-Cerb

[Sappho]

anti-town RC is scum!RC.

You know full well that this is not true.

Seconded. RC is quite capable of being very anti-town, as town, in my limited experience. Simply their posting style alone is arguably anti-town...so that argument really doesn't hold any water.

Do you have some reason to believe that Saph?

-Cerb

That's how I was taught to read him by Nahds.
It hasn't failed me yet.
Look for town motivation in the anti-town. If you don't see it, he's scum.
If RC were trying to read me, he would have bounced reads with me. He's not trying to read me and I am notoriously easy to read.

[Scott and Ramona]

I have asked repeatedly for reasons to be given.

And we've told you repeatedly you're not likely to get them.

I don't need detailed reasons, but an answer of gut, meta, or other, would be helpful.

-Cerb

How would gut be helpful if they aren't going to explain what's giving them said gut feeling? How would meta be helpful if you're not very familiar with either of them and have limited time?

- Scott

[Reasonably Rational]

And I want the real answer, not the "I'm going to push this fucking lynch through with complete conviction even though I'm not actually 100%" answer.

-Cerb

[RadiantCowbells]

And I want the real answer, not the "I'm going to push this fucking lynch through with complete conviction even though I'm not actually 100%" answer.

-Cerb

If they are not going to talk to me, which I think is more anti-town than anything I've done, I am going to do that complete conviction 100% shit.

[Aristophanes]

Sorry Ari!

Ruby! We can worry about Ruby later.

- Scott

All good man!
Just remember to keep it in mind!

[The Wood Cutters]

Ruby! We can worry about Ruby later.

Not really seeing as how our plan is to get nightkilled.

Indeed. TBH, it seems quite improbable that this particular hydra doesn't end up shot sooner rather than later. I'd reserve worrying about them for lylo, or a day out if you're really concerned. The unfounded townread point is somewhat reasonable I guess, but I suppose I just haven't seen the currently speaking head as scum often enough to have RC's strength of conviction. I don't recall any defense of scumbuddies coming out in Inorganic Chemistry, but that game was quite some time ago.
-Cerb

Okay so like.

Last post it was just a hunch.

This post is a confirmation and my GOD I hope Nacho sees it too among others (it'd help if my loves did and also Ginngie since this is one of her first encounters with the logical duo <3), but.

This is pure scum.

I'm not exactly in an explanation-mode for this so.
Trust me?

Legit serious scumread here.

[Scott and Ramona]

Ruby! We can worry about Ruby later.

Not really seeing as how our plan is to get nightkilled.

Is that so?
- Scott

Indeed it is! It's always my plan when I land town and I think Ginngie might actually have incentive to be nightkilled? And really Nacho's main reason to not be nightkilled is to play with us but we've played together more in 36 hours than we did the whole game of our last Woodcutters hydra, so.

We're good. <3

I have a feeling you guys will be safe

- Scott

[RadiantCowbells]

Sapphire I wasn't -pushing- you. I was asking for you to explain your reads. I didn't get an answer. I started pushing you. I didn't get an answer. The problem here is not with me.

If you go back through my ISO there's a clear progression from simply being concerned about the issue to pretty fucking frustrated and willing to flip many tables to get the info I wanted.

I don't think I've been anti-town at all this game, unless you count my request for you to claim, which as it happens...

[Reasonably Rational]

anti-town RC is scum!RC.

You know full well that this is not true.

Seconded. RC is quite capable of being very anti-town, as town, in my limited experience. Simply their posting style alone is arguably anti-town...so that argument really doesn't hold any water.

Do you have some reason to believe that Saph?

-Cerb

That's how I was taught to read him by Nahds.
It hasn't failed me yet.
Look for town motivation in the anti-town. If you don't see it, he's scum.
If RC were trying to read me, he would have bounced reads with me. He's not trying to read me and I am notoriously easy to read.

Interesting. So you don't believe there's town motivation in strongly pushing a scum read, and demanding answers for the reasons behind that read? What part of this behavior, exactly, do you find anti-town, with no town motivations? Is it just that he's insisting on getting answers before moving on to new topics?

I have asked repeatedly for reasons to be given.

And we've told you repeatedly you're not likely to get them.

I don't need detailed reasons, but an answer of gut, meta, or other, would be helpful.

-Cerb

How would gut be helpful if they aren't going to explain what's giving them said gut feeling? How would meta be helpful if you're not very familiar with either of them and have limited time?

- Scott

I don't have limited time, not really, really just depends on whether or not I'm going to focus on this game, and I already asked Drixx if I could just phone it in and he said no.

To answer the question though...it's more a matter of forcing some sort of reason for the stance, in order to nail them to a limited array of explanations when, as they inevitably will, they end up explaining this townread in detail. It will also allow me to decide how much weight to give the read.

-Cerb

[The Wood Cutters]

RC, what's your certainty level here on your read?
-Cerb

Sapphire:

My loves. Please. Trust me. I'm not sure what alignment RC is. (It could actually be town from this post alone?) But The logical duo is just scum here. Please vote them with me. You won't regret it. <3

[The Wood Cutters]

And I want the real answer, not the "I'm going to push this fucking lynch through with complete conviction even though I'm not actually 100%" answer.
-Cerb

I mean I'm not gonna lie and say, "Hey the logical duo is just as scum as Sapphire is town".
Because Sapphire is 100% town and the logical duo is only like 90% scum, but.

This is just their scumgame.

[Sappho]

VOTE: Sappho
baereed & chansey post things

Dey our loves. <3

Btw we have a post restriction on top of the global one but you'll never figure it out.

Lover does this more often as town than scum. Pretty much slapping people in the face with things about her role in her first post.
Not a hard lock at this point, but indicative somewhat.

I hear Rubies go well with Sapphires too.
My loves for me personally I will think Sapphire with that name and with me having a character named Ruby. <3

Going off on a tangent. Another tick for the lover town box.

(Ours is also both looser and yet more strict, so. We're gonna have

fun

this game. )

Just the <3 =]

Nope! Like I said, you got it close enough but not quite right.

You'll probably figure it out when Ginngie and Nacho stop scheming behind closed doors.

(Okay so, like. Most of the scheming is my fault. BUTSTILL. THOUGHT WHICH COUNTS. )

There has to be either an <3 or some sort of smiley in every post?

Close enough! ^_^

These all keep on ticking those boxes.
Can town lover make a few posts that tick the boxes? Sure.
Can town lover consistently make those posts all through her content? Nope.

Not to mention, Suit and Tie isn't even pretending to be serious this game. She has the same abrasiveness from her town game.

[Radical Rat]

Jesus Christ, this game exploded.
Anyway, I just gave a quick read, probably missed some stuff, but here's what I'm thinking.

The Super Gay Hydra and The Lumberjack Hydra townreading each other does not surprise me in the slightest. Lesbinancy and Gay Alcohol probably know each other well enough to get reads that quickly. I'd like to think I could flash read my datemate as well. (If I had one, but y'know)

Pilgrim and Flowers feel..... Not good.
I don't see the point in announcing publicly which 'hoods you were in, if you're just gonna disregard them. Also Misty is 10, what the heck is wrong with you Pilgrim?

Vomit boy has the Good Vibes goin'. Seems honest and pro-Town.

Which brings me to Radio Control. I've been in a few games with him now, I think either 3 or 4. In those games, I find that I like RC when he's Town, and find him terrifying as scum. Right now, he's pretty scary.

VOTE: RadiantCowbells

[RadiantCowbells]

@_@

Going off on a tangent. Another tick for the lover town box.

Scum

mastina

goes off on tangents as well...

Lover does this more often as town than scum. Pretty much slapping people in the face with things about her role in her first post.
Not a hard lock at this point, but indicative somewhat.

Is this really AI?

These all keep on ticking those boxes.
Can town lover make a few posts that tick the boxes? Sure.
Can town lover consistently make those posts all through her content? Nope.

I'll go look for this myself, but the implication is that you think that her going off topic and stuff is town indicative?

This is strike 3
RC, you make me sad!

[Radical Rat]

@The Yumester

This game is for you, so what's going on? What are your thoughts so far?

[RadiantCowbells]

I read

Mastina

as hard town for stuff that's not related to anything you've said, FTR. Presumably if she is in fact town I'll see it when they start producing actual content but I haven't seen it now.

Strike 4.
Stahp!!!