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[HolySpiritTurtle]

To be honest, I don't understand you going all "Waaaaa LQ wouldn't do this thing" when it's been pretty clear that he is stuck in the environment that he'd rather not and it has been preventing him from doing what he would usually do if he wasn't stuck in this environment.

[Alisae]

And I expect LQ to have reads that he can push at this stage of the game right now tbh
And that's not how LQ works. LQ tries to sort everyone not be a lazy little scumfuck <_<

How would he sort people when you blatantly disregarded his asking for help to sort others and you're not letting him go to do his thing?

Because that's not his thing.
He doesn't HAVE to rely on other people
He's a big boy he can sort people for himself

[HolySpiritTurtle]

He doesn't HAVE to rely on other people

Doesn't mean he is not allowed to rely on others, no?

[Dunkerdoodles]

id lynch spiritturtle too tbh

oh well
i'm usually wrong anyways so don't listen to me

I'm confirmed town.

VOTE: holyspiritturtle
lynch this please

[HolySpiritTurtle]

You're only helping my cause.

Actually, you should try to give a full readlist.
I don't mind if they're half-assed or not, as long as they are clear.

[Dunkerdoodles]

dont really feel like it sorry

[AxleGreaser]

Nauci perhaps i wasn't clear before I am offering you a chance to answer this.


Ok so now I reframe my question.
In 591 you told me what you had really intended to post and then cocked it up.
This is question about why you intended to post that.
I offer 2 example options and an other option

Also

@nauci

, now i have a question for you

@Axle

My bad! I totally see the cock up now. I had meant to simply

ask how experienced he was

but sometimes I just vomit a lot of words.

When you tried to make that post, (asking only

that

but went too far)

could you please clarify the >>>

intention/purpose

<<< of your post. (or what you were generally thinking about)

Were you being
"

suspicion of my motives?

"

Was my question in some sense unfair?

or
"

being helpfu

l" as i described it.
or

something I haven't thought of or didn't say

.

Perhaps answer this question too.

what were you trying to find out about who? (with the question you described in 591)
why were you trying to find that out? (with the question you described in 591)

[HolySpiritTurtle]

It's ok. It doesn't need to be right now.

[AxleGreaser]

@TwoInAMillion

The thread has been moving on, so i am cutting to the chase.

The reason I was asking is I had problem with you as a towny having both these thoughts.

I know how normal games work. I know it's possible for him to have a non normal role. I just don't think it's a) likely and b) a good idea to claim.

You know it not good idea for townies to claim roles.
Yet you persist in wanting him to claim ever more aspects of his role.

He hasn't given us the details:

*What is the name of the role?
*Is it only one shot?
*Can it be used any day?
*Are there restrictions on when it can be used?
*Do you have any other powers in addition to this one?

How can it be good idea to you, to out ever more aspects of the role when role claiming >as a general idea< is in your view bad.

[gerryoat]

LQ is a a player that puts a lot of effort into the game. When that effort is absent and he doesn't even want to give a single ounce of caring, it means he is probably scum.

so you're saying you've never seen him put a lot of effort in a game when he was scum?

[gerryoat]

two always acts like this as town so i don't think he's scum

TwoInAMillion (3) - Cabd,

Dunkerdoodles

, Whiskers

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Dunk


WHISKERS I CALL YE TO ARMS

this is locktown though

is this satire or an actual read?

[Alisae]

LQ is a a player that puts a lot of effort into the game. When that effort is absent and he doesn't even want to give a single ounce of caring, it means he is probably scum.

so you're saying you've never seen him put a lot of effort in a game when he was scum?

I've seen him put effort into the game as both alignments but I've never seen him play like this as town.

[gerryoat]

UNVOTE: Quick

Sorry I'm dumb and also these forum buttons are so tiny on mobile goddamnit

Unvoting because quick's behavior thus far has been pretty typical of an ornery veteran, and my initial reaction was largely based on the Oct 2017 join date.

what does this even mean

[gerryoat]

i'll say it again, meta is literally the worst thing on this site. people don't even do reads based on actual content anymore. its "___ wouldnt do this as scum! only does this as town!!"

[Alisae]

ok garry

[Nauci]

@Axel

My cock up was when I gave out the reasons for asking about TIAM's experience level, when I shouldn't have.

Point being, the more experienced he is, the more I read his follow ups to Cabd as scumfishing.

I didn't think your question was unfair, but I wanted to follow up and get more details about TIAM so *I* can refine my views on his posts.

[Nauci]

UNVOTE: Quick

Sorry I'm dumb and also these forum buttons are so tiny on mobile goddamnit

Unvoting because quick's behavior thus far has been pretty typical of an ornery veteran, and my initial reaction was largely based on the Oct 2017 join date.

what does this even mean

It means I was happy to lynch a player who, at the time, was

at best

a brand new player who refused to read the damn thread, and thinking he was simultaneously NEW and stubborn and entitled and ornery was what put me off the most.

[Dunkerdoodles]

two always acts like this as town so i don't think he's scum

TwoInAMillion (3) - Cabd,

Dunkerdoodles

, Whiskers

UNVOTE:

VOTE: Dunk


WHISKERS I CALL YE TO ARMS

this is locktown though

is this satire or an actual read?

actual read

[Quick]

LQ is a a player that puts a lot of effort into the game. When that effort is absent and he doesn't even want to give a single ounce of caring, it means he is probably scum.

so you're saying you've never seen him put a lot of effort in a game when he was scum?

Hot. Damn. You are amazing.

[AxleGreaser]

And I expect LQ to have reads that he can push at this stage of the game right now tbh
And that's not how LQ works. LQ tries to sort everyone not be a lazy little scumfuck <_<

How would he sort people when you blatantly disregarded his asking for help to sort others and

you're not letting him go to do his thing?

To be honest, I don't understand you going all "Waaaaa LQ wouldn't do this thing" when it's been pretty clear that he is stuck in the environment that he'd rather not and it has been preventing him from doing what he would usually do if he wasn't stuck in this environment.

I have a question about Quick. I dont know Quick very well (much at all)

I can see what you are saying above, I understand haranguing, but your read of Quick as player is that what is happening in the thread would equate to "you're not letting him go to do his thing?"

Spoiler: quicks thing was.

Sup?

This game sucks. What page should I skip to? I am on P 7 right now.

Because I wake up and log in and see there are 25 pages of thoughts not much more complicated than "I'm hungry".

I asked people where I should pick up reading at and the response I got was "Oh, I don't actually read all the posts, I just flip through the game like its a magazine".

and some more reasons to not.

Spoiler: Some people were helpful/encouraging/prodding.

EG you.

Anyway things to note
1. Cabd's lolclaim!
2. TIAM's posts in general
3. Joey/Alisae/Whiskers shenanigans
4. I guess a bit of talking about Axle?

Given lots of stuff happened is Quick not being let do his thing or is he not choosing to do it?

[Quick]

And I expect LQ to have reads that he can push at this stage of the game right now tbh
And that's not how LQ works. LQ tries to sort everyone not be a lazy little scumfuck <_<

How would he sort people when you blatantly disregarded his asking for help to sort others and

you're not letting him go to do his thing?

To be honest, I don't understand you going all "Waaaaa LQ wouldn't do this thing" when it's been pretty clear that he is stuck in the environment that he'd rather not and it has been preventing him from doing what he would usually do if he wasn't stuck in this environment.

I have a question about Quick. I dont know Quick very well (much at all)

I can see what you are saying above, I understand haranguing, but your read of Quick as player is that what is happening in the thread would equate to "you're not letting him go to do his thing?"

Spoiler: quicks thing was.

Sup?

This game sucks. What page should I skip to? I am on P 7 right now.

Because I wake up and log in and see there are 25 pages of thoughts not much more complicated than "I'm hungry".

I asked people where I should pick up reading at and the response I got was "Oh, I don't actually read all the posts, I just flip through the game like its a magazine".

and some more reasons to not.

Spoiler: Some people were helpful/encouraging/prodding.

EG you.

Anyway things to note
1. Cabd's lolclaim!
2. TIAM's posts in general
3. Joey/Alisae/Whiskers shenanigans
4. I guess a bit of talking about Axle?

Given lots of stuff happened is Quick not being let do his thing or is he not choosing to do it?

I hope you are Thor, I really do.

[HolySpiritTurtle]

I can see what you are saying above, I understand haranguing, but your read of Quick as player is that what is happening in the thread would equate to "you're not letting him go to do his thing?"

It wouldn't be fair to just quote the first few posts of his and tell me what you're trying to tell me, no?

[TwoInAMillion]

@TwoInAMillion

The thread has been moving on, so i am cutting to the chase.

The reason I was asking is I had problem with you as a towny having both these thoughts.

I know how normal games work. I know it's possible for him to have a non normal role. I just don't think it's a) likely and b) a good idea to claim.

You know it not good idea for townies to claim roles.
Yet you persist in wanting him to claim ever more aspects of his role.

He hasn't given us the details:

*What is the name of the role?
*Is it only one shot?
*Can it be used any day?
*Are there restrictions on when it can be used?
*Do you have any other powers in addition to this one?

How can it be good idea to you, to out ever more aspects of the role when role claiming >as a general idea< is in your view bad.

Because the fewer details he gives the easier it is for him to fakeclaim if he is scum.

[Quick]

@TwoInAMillion

The thread has been moving on, so i am cutting to the chase.

The reason I was asking is I had problem with you as a towny having both these thoughts.

I know how normal games work. I know it's possible for him to have a non normal role. I just don't think it's a) likely and b) a good idea to claim.

You know it not good idea for townies to claim roles.
Yet you persist in wanting him to claim ever more aspects of his role.

He hasn't given us the details:

*What is the name of the role?
*Is it only one shot?
*Can it be used any day?
*Are there restrictions on when it can be used?
*Do you have any other powers in addition to this one?

How can it be good idea to you, to out ever more aspects of the role when role claiming >as a general idea< is in your view bad.

Because the fewer details he gives the easier it is for him to fakeclaim if he is scum.

Well, I guess we just wait until whatever is supposed to happen happens then???

[AxleGreaser]

@Axel

My cock up was when I gave out the reasons for asking about TIAM's experience level, when I shouldn't have.

Point being, the more experienced he is, the more I read his follow ups to Cabd as scumfishing.

I didn't think your question was unfair, but I wanted to follow up and get more details about TIAM so *I* can refine my views on his posts.

ta now I will explain the problem I had with your posting.
It bit long so spoilered it. It has rather lot to do with what you knew and what you did with it.

Spoiler: Nausics trajectory (train of thought)

basis

I agree in principle with you observation "Accidental scumfishing is a trademark of new players."
as you can now see from my recent 808 to TIAM, (i had more up my sleeve)
but at the time you didnt know that.

so when I examine what you did know

You knew his about me

-Axel's post that looked 50% hatter material to me mostly looked like speculations on player styles, personalities, and mental states and other meta bits. Seems like that's his play style, to factor newness and other things outside of the thread into decisions.

You meant to do this

I had originally intended to quote it and follow up ask him or you for an assessment of his experience level, but the comment somehow got away from me and I vomitted out my reasonings for wanting to know.

but instead it got away from you and you did this

How experienced is TIAM?

Accidental scumfishing is a trademark of new players.

But otherwise, it was quite the bit of scumfishing.

When I your read 584, it was clear to me (

a strong impression/implication

) you when writing the post post had your own estimation of how experienced TIAM is.
So why asking about TIAM's experience when you already knew?

On top of that, if you know that I know too (As per 565) why were you not suspicious of me for pushing that?

TLDR: yeah I am going with cock up.

There exist subtle scum narratives/puposes, that could explain your actions (stirring the pot)
but Ive been squeezing fairly hard, in asking you questions, and you didnt rattle like scum.