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[Joey_]

Why is your hardest tr is nero

IDK that it is. I listed him first because I like him.

Okay, instead of answered literally to my post, you couldve also tell me why is he listed as a tr

yes, I could have. But I didn't.

Why do you townread nero ?

Because I like most of the staces he has made and I like the points he is making.

Yet you fos me for
-> townreading dunk
-> Asking questions to gerry

???

[Quick]

Why is your hardest tr is nero

IDK that it is. I listed him first because I like him.

Okay, instead of answered literally to my post, you couldve also tell me why is he listed as a tr

yes, I could have. But I didn't.

Why do you townread nero ?

Because I like most of the staces he has made and I like the points he is making.

Yet you fos me for
-> townreading dunk
-> Asking questions to gerry

???

I can see Nero's reasons for Scum reading you for Town reading Dunk. One of my biggest reasons for Scum reading you, however, is for Scum reading Dunk.
My perspective on your engagement with gerry has changed.

[pienyan]

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[LicketyQuickety]

I am going to bed, Joey. We can waste everyone's time tomorrow if you want.

[Nero Cain]

We'll get more "info" but it's not like its going to be AI.

[Nero Cain]

"hey we've learned more about how Nauci plays 'cause she has more posts now! This confirms her as X alignment." Like that seems like a really rubbish argument.

[Nero Cain]

like literally nothing is going to change overnight unless you get investigated.

[beeboy]

Nero why don't you want to lynch Quick?

[Nero Cain]

My gut says he's town and I'd lynch Whiskers over him. What do you think of my recent Joey and Flubber pushes?

[beeboy]

Flubber is good, I still think Joey_ is town.

[Nero Cain]

or maybe we should just no lynch today and wait to lynch d2. Like we'll have 100% more info on players actions this game.

[Nauci]

Whiskers, I know where my vote is. I can't tell if being unable to track the rest of the votes on you comes from nefarious motivations or the pace of the game. I'm assuming the latter.

You reply to very much but say very little, and you don't follow up your reads very well with your accusations.

I am not good at following my reads/accusations. I have a tendency to ask questions and then forget about them. My prodding doesn't usually go very deep. It's just not what I'm good at.
I am, however, pretty good at stirring up the pot and getting people to talk to me, if I may say so myself.

Right now, I don't have very good reads. I have some pretty strong townreads and I think Alisae is an asshat who is contradicting himself and using a lot of bad attacks (mostly on me). I like him for a lynch. Right now, I like sheeping onto a wagon even better.

@Cabd and Gerry and others:
What do we get out of the kill if Dunk flips town?

Hisssssss

Bad post

[Nauci]

It's far more likely that the suspicious ones are those who are leaving room open to scumread Cabd because of x.

And what makes you say this? I am a skeptical person by nature. For you to say that because of an inborn trait I have in my personality means I am Scum is flawed.

Also bad, for similar reasons

[AxleGreaser]

@Whiskers
Earlier I asked you a question. Shortly after that it got busy, so I expect you missed it.
If its not clear please point out where and i will attempt to clarify.
There is a fair bit of writing the two questions are at the bottom.

If [open the spoiler] and then click on this <<link>> it will jump to the questions.
ta.

Spoiler: The question

@Whiskers

Hi, earlier you said this about me.

Let me just skip a page and a half of posts to Vote: Axle Greaser for being incredibly annoying and unnecessarily obfuscating.

I am fine with that being your opinion I have heard that opinion before. (joey only one of a number)
We are now playing mafia.

---

Here are two posts you made a lot earlier.
I chose earlier on purpose as you were not being wagoned back then.
As balance,

I see the intent of the first as firm but helpful.

@UC villager
It's also completely fucking illegible, please write it out normally so anybody can read/quote it.
Why is there so much spam in this game already?

Axle's first post is the most cancerous shit i have ever seen in my mafia career

wooo, thank you.
Also @UCV, your "fakeclaim in RVS" is going to be used to incriminate you as town or scum later on in the game. It's very very real to breadcrumb during RVS. And if it _is_ fake, you've just introduced a whole extra angle that scum could attack you from, disctracting from

real

scumhunting when we'll need it most. RVS is RVS, but IGMEOU.

Going "I'M NEW HAHA IT WOULD JUST BE

TOOOO

EASY TO MISLYNCH ME! BECAUSE I'M SOOOOO NEW HAHA!" means that

you're self aware that you're scummy

and are trying to avoid lynch for it.

Instead, don't be scummy?

new =/= town???

The second i have some problems with.
I agree: new=/=town.
I agree he is a bit self aware

but I don't agree,

hes self aware he is scummy

. He is self aware that he is new and inexperienced
and like other very new&young players i have seen before that gets new players like that into trouble regularly.

He is not like some town!people who deliberately do scummy stuff as town for variety of reasons. (usually called reaction tests)
Those they could choose not to do.

I expect if he starts another game tomorrow (AKA not an ongoing one) he would likely be considered low hanging fruit in it.
I expect he is self aware of that.

You suggest

"Instead, don't be scummy?"

Two Questions

Do you really think a new player can achieve

Instead, don't be scummy?

Can you explain the intent of that post.

[gerryoat]

Who (in my estimation) Joey_ CANNOT be teamed with:

Flubber
Cabd
Alisae (slot)
Nero
gerryoat

CAN be teamed with Whiskers. If so, Joey_ is much better at distancing than Whiskers.

shouldnt you be voting joey then?

[AxleGreaser]

@CABD

: In case youre silly. (so sorry?) The question is at Joey.
Ask me questions later if you'd like something clarified to the rest of the thread, about what i think.

As far as im concerned, i wouldnt waste my scum day vig shot on dunk as mefia since hes lynchbait @quick

@Joey.

if there was hypothetical game (not this one)
and a mafia player in the game had a day vig.

And he didn't shoot someone like Dunker (but shot someone scum might like to shoot)

What would happen to the mafia player?
and would the trade be worth it?

[Nauci]

Jesus Christ I just spent 3 hours of my life catching up on this thread and at least half of it was angry bickering like I'd stumbled into some sort of politics thread. I want those hours of my life back!

I deleted a wall of hot takes because I guess that's pretty useless posting, huh? I'll just save these bits:

LOL Rhah. Your panic reaction was high quality entertainment.

Can we not victim blame Cabd for flipping Masons? How the fuck was he supposed to know that Dipshit McGee was somehow a mason? P.S. are Normal Game Masons confirmed by requirement? Unless they both fall into the 2-non-normals exception, which wouldn't be the case if we've got a 1 shot day vig for a touch of flavor.

I think the fake shot was actually a phenomenal opportunity for a genuine discovery that has helped us with a ton of knowledge. It's unfortunate that it happened so early but I don't think it was so stupid if you were genuinely losing your partner D1 and otherwise going to lose your only chance of making it a nearly confirmed claim.

Also: are fake commands not against the rules ever here, or just not in normals?

List time:

Town:

Dunk

Almost definitely town:

Cabd
Rhah
TIAM (pie, I promise to gift you any one of my organs if you're ever in need of one if you give his masonry or whatever to *any* other town tonight)

Towny:

Axel
Alisae, barring WIFOM shenanigans

Town...ish?:

Beeboy

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I don't fucking know ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ :

HST
Flubber
Quick - You keep flipping between pro town posting and anti town posting. How about just stick to the former? And STOP SWITCHING ACCOUNTS it really fucks with our ability to ISO all of your post vomit which is actively anti town! How hard could that possibly be?

Scumish:

Joey - Reading people as town correctly isn't a defense?
Gerry - I don't fucking know. Feels? Some time in the last 3 hours of reading all this crap I got bad vibes but I'm far too exhausted to remember/quantify why or which posts. If I get a chance tomorrow I'll flip through ISO.

Scummy:

Nero - We get it. You disagree that it's less useful to debate a noob on D1 than all the people who are more telling reads because you know how they behave. We're saying that it's dumb to focus on a newb D1 because it's a wild west read over people whose behavior you understand better. There's some chance of getting a better read on me in subsequent days if I'm investigated in some way or based on my reactions to flips, but for now why flip a coin when you could read a map? Now are you done spending so many of your posts arguing that it's valid to propose lynching me yet? You have such a massive string of posts just bickering about that with whiskers and trying to appear useful. If you think I'm your strongest scum read, vote me!

Whiskers - some combination of counter boat (wagon? I forget the slang around here) possibility, and the amount of time you spent looking useful by bickering about the above. I'll have to ISO when it's not 3 AM and I've been up since 630 yesterday.

Scum and/or FUCK YOU POST MORE:

UCV
IAI
Shiro**

**Yeah I know.

Cheers.

I'm sad about Alisae

[Nauci]

@CABD

: In case youre silly. (so sorry?) The question is at Joey.
Ask me questions later if you'd like something clarified to the rest of the thread, about what i think.

As far as im concerned, i wouldnt waste my scum day vig shot on dunk as mefia since hes lynchbait @quick

@Joey.

if there was hypothetical game (not this one)
and a mafia player in the game had a day vig.

And he didn't shoot someone like Dunker (but shot someone scum might like to shoot)

What would happen to the mafia player?
and would the trade be worth it?

++Rep

[Nauci]

Hey Axel are you in a euro time zone

[Nauci]

Parking this right here

VOTE: UC Voyager

[Joey_]

Why is your hardest tr is nero

IDK that it is. I listed him first because I like him.

Okay, instead of answered literally to my post, you couldve also tell me why is he listed as a tr

yes, I could have. But I didn't.

Why do you townread nero ?

Because I like most of the staces he has made and I like the points he is making.

Yet you fos me for
-> townreading dunk
-> Asking questions to gerry

???

I can see Nero's reasons for Scum reading you for Town reading Dunk. One of my biggest reasons for Scum reading you, however, is for Scum reading Dunk.
My perspective on your engagement with gerry has changed.

Do you even understand

why i townread the guy
Why i fosed him literraly only 10 min before his flip? You scumread me for that? like thats so weak

[Joey_]

Mort importantly, i wouldve no reason to have a strong stance on a lynchbait scumtelling VT whos getting shit the very same moment

[Joey_]

getting shot*

[Joey_]

@CABD

: In case youre silly. (so sorry?) The question is at Joey.
Ask me questions later if you'd like something clarified to the rest of the thread, about what i think.

As far as im concerned, i wouldnt waste my scum day vig shot on dunk as mefia since hes lynchbait @quick

@Joey.

if there was hypothetical game (not this one)
and a mafia player in the game had a day vig.

And he didn't shoot someone like Dunker (but shot someone scum might like to shoot)

What would happen to the mafia player?
and would the trade be worth it?

First, cabd was very very town imo all day and his attitude while not pro-town, was town nonetheless so he had that going for him
Second, cabd kinda was talking about how he wanted to shot other players like 2mill out of frustration etc, i dont think he was serious but this is the kind of stuff that kinda happen quite often, anyway gut day-vig shot are meme shot but the most rewarding for town, cabd also had the "narrative" to back up a meme shot on someone that wasnt the consensus of town.

IMO if town day vig random meme someone and they flip pr or were hardly townready, they will probably get hardpushed by mafia sure
If mafia is actually smart about their day vig, they would want someone that is
1. Pr telling -> they will either get their claims or eventually shoot them anyway win/win
2. Someone that is loud af and will probably be never lynched

Basically dunker was none of those options, dunk claimed VT and was probably the most lynchbaity slot on the table at the moment, it would be a very very very weak shot for a mefia, its much more likely that this bad shot is coming from town.

To answer this :

would the trade be worth it?

If mafia ended up shooting a good target for mafia, they will probably get away with it for a good day or more with sooo many mefias in game, i think its worth it yes

[Joey_]

I am going to bed, Joey. We can waste everyone's time tomorrow if you want.

Why do you assume its a waste, im trying to understand your reads while they are essentially weak af