Beneath The Mask [Endgame]

[Purple Nurple]

Ann(e) Takamaki is not receiving a Traitor role. Sorry. Won't ever believe it. So, Mulch may be bad town, but is not scum unless someone cc's that claim.

Oh look scum defending scum.
Shocker!

[Purple Nurple]

Kise, can you explain why you don’t think I’m scum again?

I didn't get to this page yet, but that's not the case. You could flip either way. I mentioned finding you shady before, but I also give you a chance because I think you might have *something*
I'll take your advice Math

Literally think the scumteam's Toranaga-RationalNumbers and this post alone would be reason why but fuck you all because you'll never believe me there.

UNITY WAGON

PN AND RN

JOIN FORCES

KISS AND MAKE UP

OVER TORANAGA'S SCUMMY CORPSE

not unvoting leon

you're wasting breath yung chess

i'm busy stressing over gooey girl goop not reading this game until d5 probably have fun

-eddie

[Purple Nurple]

flavor is alignment indicative AND SCUM HAVE FAKECLAIM
means the ACTUAL ROLES are alignment indicative
and for that to work the scum's fakeclaims have to be a bunch of fucking good guys.

But not a bunch of PTs. FLAVOR IS ALIGNMENT indicative. Scum fake claim is probably in Haru/Makoto since both have (somewhat for Makoto) scum-aligned relationship s. Goro wouldn't be a good fake claim. Ryuji/Ann, in my mind, cannot be fake claims given flavor. Yusuke/Futuba would be weird fake claims, so unlikely. There's also a slew of support characters that could be fake claims, so I'm not certain that any PTs are fake claims.

This is scum literally insisting that there shouldn't be a bunch of scum PTs.

That alone should tell you to basically be on the look for the opposite.

[chesskid3]

why are you not unvoting when i'm offering you the chance to build a better world together

[chesskid3]

INSPIRATION

[Purple Nurple]

(PenguinPower's iso is altogether devoid of any push on Kise for what it's worth. And contained Mulch defense. Though for that matter, PenguinPower doesn't have much in the way of content--no real push on...ANYONE, soooo...not too useful. Mostly flavor stuff and Mulch defense. STILL. Is indicative all the same of a trend in scum: defending scum.)

[chesskid3]

AND FROM ITS ASHES

WE SHALL BUILD A BETTER ONE

[Ellibereth]

noones arguing that flipped scum didn't defend each other

[WhemeStar]

VOTE: Leon

[Ellibereth]

I'm also definitely not sold on gamebalance argument for the narrow PoE you've got.

But moving Nurple + Skies + Elli + Smocaine + Dave to town is enough

I just want to do this efficiently and not risk it

wait

wut game balance argument huh

[Ellibereth]

VOTE: Leon

<3

[Purple Nurple]

Actually.
I realize this may remove from my fire RE: RationalNumbers push, but.
Toranaga claimed to possess a redirection power, yes?
We know the scum have a forced redirection power, yes?
I'd at least like to posit that Toranaga holds the forced redirection power with his claim being the fakeclaimed version of it.

Still, fuck arguments that Toranaga + RationalNumbers are mutually exclusive as scum.
Also this is just a theory so it doesn't necessarily fit to reality.

But basically.
Right now where I personally am at.
Is that RationalNumbers no matter what is scum.

Maki, if scum, was guided through their messaging process by RationalNumbers.
Smocaine, if scum, means the scumteam deliberately tried to avert all scum lynches, albeit with distancing a plenty. (PenguinPower voted Smocaine many times.)
Toranaga, if scum, would likely be the forced-redirector and have been guided to use the forced-redirections to target us.

One of those three is what I think we have had happen.
I'm not quite sure which.
I mean 2/3 aint impossible if there'd be six scum (well, the Smocaine one doesn't quite work out as being six scum but the others could be together), but there sure aren't seven groupscum, so.

You can lynch Leonshade and my MSWA will take a hit because I'll be a part of it since I'm not unvoting. But that's what I'm expecting, that he flips town.

[Maki and Kaito]

I'm so annoyed that the 4 people I really wanted to work with this game don't wanna work with me at all *pouts*
~Maki

[Maki and Kaito]

Maki, if scum, was guided through their messaging process by RationalNumbers.

Ay fuck you I can write my own god dam msgs you jerk!

[Smocaine]

PN, I'm practically conftown given Kise's flip.

[Smocaine]

What makes you infer that about Maki, pn?

[chesskid3]

I'm also definitely not sold on gamebalance argument for the narrow PoE you've got.

But moving Nurple + Skies + Elli + Smocaine + Dave to town is enough

I just want to do this efficiently and not risk it

wait

wut game balance argument huh

game doesnt seem balance as currently stands if another PT isn't scum --> Toranaga

[Alisae]

VOTE COUNT 4 . 52 Leonshade ------- 6 ( Brian Skies, Ellibereth, Chara, Purple Nurple, Smocaine, WhemeStar ) L- 1 Toranaga -------- 2 ( Chesskid3, Leonshade ) L- 4 Purple Nurple --- 2 ( Ramicus, RationalNumbers ) L- 5 Chesskid3 ------- 1 ( Maki and Kaito ) L- 6 RationalNumbers - 1 ( Toranaga ) L- 5 Not Voting ------ 1 ( davesaz ) With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-11-20 08:24:07)

FOS COUNT 4 . 52 Toranaga -------- 1 ( Chesskid3 ) RationalNumbers - 1 ( Purple Nurple ) Smocaine -------- 1 ( Purple Nurple ) Maki and Kaito -- 1 ( Purple Nurpl ) Not FoS'ing ----- 11 ( Brian Skies, Chara, davesaz, Ellibereth, Leonshade, Maki and Kaito, Ramicus, RationalNumbers, Smocaine, Toranaga, WhemeStar ) With 13 alive, it takes 7 to Lynch Deadline is in (expired on 2017-11-20 08:24:07)

[Smocaine]

Wheme is on there twice

[Alisae]

Thanks!

[Toranaga]

do you want me to hammer leon cause fuck this long ass gameday or

[Toranaga]

I kinda think it's leon and RN anyway

could be chess just on how annoyingly convinced he feels about me flipping scum

but I learned in my life that people tunneling me are >rand town anyway

[Brian Skies]

I'm so annoyed that the 4 people I really wanted to work with this game don't wanna work with me at all *pouts*
~Maki

Am I one of these 4 people? (:

[Brian Skies]

an interesting note is that leon only cased kise when requested, and didn't actually vote with said post. it could have easily been a "i was requested and might as well not look like i'm partners" done too well.

i don't scumread leon, but i can see him scum and am okay with my vote being there.

Yeah, this is the main reason I've been ignoring that case as far as me reading him goes. It didn't seem like he was that convinced by it the first time I read it, and he later claimed he didn't vote because he wanted to 'analyze the Smocaine wagon,' which never happened iirc. Some of his posts also feel like he's trying to buddy up to Ellibereth or ride the towncred for the case he made, so it wouldn't surprise me if he mainly did it to look good to Ellibereth and slide onto the Kise wagon if it gained traction.

His claim is also still very for me and I refuse to let that live, especially since it's not like he's claimed anything useful for town. So it's not like we'd be losing anything super important even if he's town, and I'm not expecting him to.

Also, is it just me, or does it seem like he's been lurking? I don't know much about what his normal activity should look like, but he's somehow managed to have fewer posts than Dave.

Of course not. But I'm not speaking from a hypothetical. I'm speaking from Attack on Titan where this actually fucking happened.

Wasn't that endorsed by you specifically because of how grave the situation was for the scumteam (in that all of them were being wagoned simultaneously at one point) and because you thought it would work really well against the then site meta?

[Brian Skies]

So it's not like we'd be losing anything super important even if he flips town, and I'm not expecting him to.

Fixed.