it isn't really "skimming" that i did, not the right word. i followed along with the game and other than the mulch-fire shit at the beginnign i read most of the posts and made random comments at transcend on discord. i just didn't follow too closely, only really in depth followed mine and alisae's (followed by this and invetion the shithole games - haven't touched mathblade's i can't stand opens). also, i don't need to show you eventually explciitly, you've seen me you know i obv town. i've been mislynched once unless i'm forgetting something in like the past 20 town games on this site, and i had both scum caught (hi rc and gerry xd) it was just a bad town (hi luv xd) (was also not my town game technically it was a hydra but shrug i did most of the posting cough cough mastina). you will not be lynching me itg.In post 1618, Chara wrote:i don't feel that Eddie's meta argument for why Mulch-town is really Mulch-null is all that genuine. not that it looks fake, but i haven't been able to parse it for alignment one way or the other.
Eddie: would appreciate you reading the full game if you're able. if not, doing some ISOing and some work would help me see town. i don't believe that's the case but if you're town i think you can show me eventually.
If you want to see a fun game check Twoninamillion's normal. I was about to be mislynched day 1, boon saved me, I ended up catching 2/3 scum in which one was LUVIn post 1626, Eddie Cane wrote:(hi luv xd)
There was no way I was playing any game besides a normal either. I believe that part at least.In post 1623, Mulch wrote:You realize that I knew this and my team knew this too? We didn't get any scum role pms, and I'm telling you there is no way in hell I would ever play an open game or Alisae's game anyway. I just woulden't. I am always taking a normal game over any other game. I'm pretty sure I would take the scum role PM if we got one in the normal games but we didn't, we just didn't. I don't know how to convince you. Everyone that knows me well is calling me town brother. Not much more I can say. I'm just not scumIn post 1620, Eddie Cane wrote:It also wasn't a case arguing why you were scum but why you weren't town.In post 1614, Mulch wrote:Basically, eddie has a history with me. Basically an ego battle on who can read each other more. I'm pretty sure he's come into the game thinking he was going to catch mulch scum from the get go, and was being conf-biased. It's hard to see that when someone is aggresively pushing your mislych but whatever. The case was desparate, a village desparation more than a manipulative desparation, it had genuine frustration and I finally could see why he was scumreading me, I can see where he is coming from. Plus it just felt towny. My best reads are ones that are kinda hard for me to explain but basically it felt more like viillage eddie than wolf eddie. Especially because how bad he would have looked when I flipped.In post 1612, Kmd4390 wrote:What about it felt town specifically?In post 1607, Mulch wrote:Yeah it read as really towny to me. Bad but towny.In post 1604, Kmd4390 wrote:Mulch what case? The one that transcend quoted that caused the swap?
Is that a good explanation?
But, anyways, I did come into this game very biased towards scumreading you. In the 66%~ likelyhood your team got at least 1 scum pm, I see very little reason you wouldn't take it. You know you are going to get scumread regardless because of that because you know boon tora me etc have enough experience with you to know your winrates and personal opinions on scum and town. You know you get lynched significantly less as scum... but also that people would be thinking you're scum here anyways. Town mulch would have to defend against the EXACT same stuff scum mulch would, so I don't see the motivation you would possibly have for not taking the scum pm to play the alignment you perform better at.
I'm well aware this is not a popular path to go down for reads due to WIFOM but its particularly relevant in cases like Creature and Mulch where one alignment is so vastly significant to the other. Its also what earns Aristo a ton of town points - he hates scum as much as ThinkBig IIRC. This also obviously isn't a lock and key situation because hell 33% of the time they didn't get a scum pm in the first place, but its a bias I'm aware of and don't think should be shut off.
If you read me by my play maybe null maybe town? read me by other who know me I should be town by now.
Why are you scumreading me on my play and let me show you why it's wrongIn post 1629, Eddie Cane wrote:There was no way I was playing any game besides a normal either. I believe that part at least.In post 1623, Mulch wrote:You realize that I knew this and my team knew this too? We didn't get any scum role pms, and I'm telling you there is no way in hell I would ever play an open game or Alisae's game anyway. I just woulden't. I am always taking a normal game over any other game. I'm pretty sure I would take the scum role PM if we got one in the normal games but we didn't, we just didn't. I don't know how to convince you. Everyone that knows me well is calling me town brother. Not much more I can say. I'm just not scumIn post 1620, Eddie Cane wrote:It also wasn't a case arguing why you were scum but why you weren't town.In post 1614, Mulch wrote:Basically, eddie has a history with me. Basically an ego battle on who can read each other more. I'm pretty sure he's come into the game thinking he was going to catch mulch scum from the get go, and was being conf-biased. It's hard to see that when someone is aggresively pushing your mislych but whatever. The case was desparate, a village desparation more than a manipulative desparation, it had genuine frustration and I finally could see why he was scumreading me, I can see where he is coming from. Plus it just felt towny. My best reads are ones that are kinda hard for me to explain but basically it felt more like viillage eddie than wolf eddie. Especially because how bad he would have looked when I flipped.In post 1612, Kmd4390 wrote:What about it felt town specifically?In post 1607, Mulch wrote:Yeah it read as really towny to me. Bad but towny.In post 1604, Kmd4390 wrote:Mulch what case? The one that transcend quoted that caused the swap?
Is that a good explanation?
But, anyways, I did come into this game very biased towards scumreading you. In the 66%~ likelyhood your team got at least 1 scum pm, I see very little reason you wouldn't take it. You know you are going to get scumread regardless because of that because you know boon tora me etc have enough experience with you to know your winrates and personal opinions on scum and town. You know you get lynched significantly less as scum... but also that people would be thinking you're scum here anyways. Town mulch would have to defend against the EXACT same stuff scum mulch would, so I don't see the motivation you would possibly have for not taking the scum pm to play the alignment you perform better at.
I'm well aware this is not a popular path to go down for reads due to WIFOM but its particularly relevant in cases like Creature and Mulch where one alignment is so vastly significant to the other. Its also what earns Aristo a ton of town points - he hates scum as much as ThinkBig IIRC. This also obviously isn't a lock and key situation because hell 33% of the time they didn't get a scum pm in the first place, but its a bias I'm aware of and don't think should be shut off.
If you read me by my play maybe null maybe town? read me by other who know me I should be town by now.
On play alone, I would say you are a scum lean, but a full read. If boon gets to this point in the game and still townreads you, I'm going to reevaluate fully without the bias of picking pms and see where that gets me.
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pretty sure i actually skimmed that game a little bit i usually skim normals and themesIn post 1627, Mulch wrote:If you want to see a fun game check Twoninamillion's normal. I was about to be mislynched day 1, boon saved me, I ended up catching 2/3 scum in which one was LUVIn post 1626, Eddie Cane wrote:(hi luv xd)
he said its not really meta; he knows the limits you pass when you are scum, you passed them, you aint dun nuttin to make 'em think youre townIn post 1610, Mulch wrote:Eddie can you just ask transcend this pleaseIn post 1605, Mulch wrote:but I do want to know why transcend is meta reading me when he said he dosen't read me on meta/
In post 1639, Eddie Cane wrote:he said its not really meta; he knows the limits you pass when you are scum, you passed them, you aint dun nuttin to make 'em think youre townIn post 1610, Mulch wrote:Eddie can you just ask transcend this pleaseIn post 1605, Mulch wrote:but I do want to know why transcend is meta reading me when he said he dosen't read me on meta/
paraphrasing direct questions is annoying
give him some time. he got laid off wednesday and is probably busy.In post 1636, Firebringer wrote:Where the hell is cabd
Transcend didn't ask me to write anything. I tagged him, said here's a favour because they're giving you shit for not writing cases and stuff when that's not you, especially since I agreed with his push. It still wasn't a "really good case", I don't think any single person has referred to the case positively actually.In post 1638, Kmd4390 wrote:Mulch, I dunno. It's entirely possible that transcend said hey Eddie can you write up a really good case on mulch for me and that's what he came up with. If you said it came across as genuine that's one thing. But you're going with this whole ego battle thing that basically implies he didn't even believe in the case which doesn't really sound all that town to me.
Eddie, man you were obvtown as mutton lol. But wasn't Boon's other game that I linked the large you're talking about?
Do you think I should reasonably be confident that those are genuine emotions? Faking emotions is something I've done many times as scum (and town actually), you've done many times as scum, many others. Since you pride yourself on being able to replicate your town meta as scum almost flawlessly, how am I supposed to know your emotions aren't fake? In beneath the mask you faked a blowup and emotions.In post 1640, Mulch wrote:In post 1639, Eddie Cane wrote:he said its not really meta; he knows the limits you pass when you are scum, you passed them, you aint dun nuttin to make 'em think youre townIn post 1610, Mulch wrote:Eddie can you just ask transcend this pleaseIn post 1605, Mulch wrote:but I do want to know why transcend is meta reading me when he said he dosen't read me on meta/
paraphrasing direct questions is annoying
Also just personally it really feels like shit to have your emotions called fake btw
I’m unreadable for most unless they know meIn post 1645, Patrick wrote:Back and forth on the last page or so seems very town to me. No doubt all Mulch attackers and Mulch himself will tell me he produces all that stuff as scum anyway, but meh
One question though, why Firebringer town? On ISO he's one of the few players I don't get any town feel from any posts. Not much scummy there either, but I can easily imagine his posts as scum.
