Team Mafia 2018: White Flag — Day Six

[Postie]

My goal is to get EddieFenix lynched. If I give a readslist with other scumleans people can then argue that they were the reason I was killed. This obstructs my goal of getting EddieFenix lynched.

[Thestatusquo]

thats one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard in a game of mafia.

[Dunnstral]

Why ?

Because I can't read Tchill but if he's replaced there's a chance I can read the replacement.

Do you expect his replacement to be able to answer for Tchill's meta in regards to posting?

2nd, this is team mafia. If him lurking out benefits his team then he has a motive to do it.

[Thestatusquo]

in order for your logic to work from our pov
a) you have to be town
b) eddie has to be scum
c) people have to think you're such a gigantic threat to them that they nk you because of it.
d) one of your other scum leans has to be scummy enough in other ways that people push on them simply because you died.
e) that person has to be not scum.

do you see why I'm having trouble with this?

[Dunnstral]

Or can you prove that if Tchill replaces out, it's NAI?

[Postie]

in order for your logic to work from our pov
a) you have to be town
b) eddie has to be scum
c) people have to think you're such a gigantic threat to them that they nk you because of it.
d) one of your other scum leans has to be scummy enough in other ways that people push on them simply because you died.
e) that person has to be not scum.

do you see why I'm having trouble with this?

a) isn't a problem if I'm killed, and if I'm not then I can push EddieFenix's lynch, which is my goal. b) is very likely true. c) is what I'm trying to avoid, because it stops me fulfilling my goal. d) and e) can both easily happen, but don't have to, because someone can use a scumlean that is actually scum to defend EddieFenix by saying my death doesn't make him scum while also not pushing for that person to be lynched.

[Thestatusquo]

you realize that what you're saying is literally an argument against literally anyone sharing their reads from their pov right?

[Postie]

Do you expect his replacement to be able to answer for Tchill's meta in regards to posting?

No but I don't see his play here as so damning that no replacment would be able to do something town enough to convince me the slot isn't scum.

Or can you prove that if Tchill replaces out, it's NAI?

Why would I need to?

[Postie]

you realize that what you're saying is literally an argument against literally anyone sharing their reads from their pov right?

It's an argument against sharing a full readslist when you're very set on getting someone lynched. That doesn't mean not sharing

any

reads. I'm still giving you both my top scumread and a bunch of my townreads, because I'm unlikely to be killed for townreads alone and arguing against other potential lynches I believe are town helps me lynch the person I think is scum.

[Thestatusquo]

who are your top 3 town reads and why?

[Postie]

Willing to share all the people I think are 90%+ likely to be town.

northsidegal is locktown, and I believe should be locktown to anyone else who's ISO'd her in the game of hers I linked.
Sauce is close to locktown. I need to put a lot of thoguht into how to explain this one so I haven't so far since he hasn't been under threat of a lynch, but I will do so shortly.
Llamarble and Gamma are both very solid town. Llamarble's flow wrt solving the game feels very organic, and Gamma I've already explained.

[LicketyQuickety]

I disagree that TSQ is the most TR person in the game. I think he's still in his Scum range.

[Postie]

game of hers I linked

For reference

[Llamarble]

Eddie is classically scummy. He was also classically scummy in the last game I played with him, where Chesskid vigged him and he flipped scum. He was also my buddy, actually, after my alignment changed after D1 (bonus: you can see how much more awesome I am before I become scum - half of my ISO is from the 2 days between when I replace in and when my alignment changes). AD was in that game, along with Chesskid. They think he's different here; I'm not sure I see it. It was TBD mafia by the way.

[Postie]

game of hers I linked

For reference

I noticed nsg is still considers herself newbie-ish in that game, so here's another more recent scum game so you can see how she's improved. The stuff she's done this game is still well outside of her scum range.

[Postie]

Eddie is classically scummy. He was also classically scummy in the last game I played with him, where Chesskid vigged him and he flipped scum. He was also my buddy, actually, after my alignment changed after D1 (bonus: you can see how much more awesome I am before I become scum - half of my ISO is from the 2 days between when I replace in and when my alignment changes). AD was in that game, along with Chesskid. They think he's different here; I'm not sure I see it. It was TBD mafia by the way.

Thanks for that. I think he's different here in that he's posting in paragraphs/walls, rather than making shorter posts, but I don't see how that makes him not scum?

[Gamma Emerald]

Eddie is classically scummy. He was also classically scummy in the last game I played with him, where Chesskid vigged him and he flipped scum. He was also my buddy, actually, after my alignment changed after D1 (bonus: you can see how much more awesome I am before I become scum - half of my ISO is from the 2 days between when I replace in and when my alignment changes). AD was in that game, along with Chesskid. They think he's different here; I'm not sure I see it. It was TBD mafia by the way.

Ask them how he's different. AD I guess you can answer this whenever you notice this.

[Gamma Emerald]

game of hers I linked

For reference

I noticed nsg is still considers herself newbie-ish in that game, so here's another more recent scum game so you can see how she's improved. The stuff she's done this game is still well outside of her scum range.

That was a solo game for her, I don't consider it fully conclusive to her scum game

[Dunnstral]

Do you expect his replacement to be able to answer for Tchill's meta in regards to posting?

No but I don't see his play here as so damning that no replacment would be able to do something town enough to convince me the slot isn't scum.

Really? Then how do you rationalize tchill having a combined

800

posts in 2 recent town games, one so recent that he was posting dozen's of posts per day while simultaneously ignoring this game.

Nothing a tchill replacement says can change this "evidence" on him. Do you think this stuff doesn't matter? You seem to be ignoring it.

Or can you prove that if Tchill replaces out, it's NAI?

Why would I need to?

Because you are proposing that we wait for tchill to be replaced and try to read his replacement. I'm saying that there is a clear scum motivation for tchill to replace out. You are effectively campaigning that we give tchill's team a chance to wriggle out of being lynched. But why should we do this? What new information can a replacement bring us, when there's meta on tchill himself pointing to him being scum?

I don't think we should be considering your proposal of "let's wait for tchill to be replaced" if you can't prove that this isn't scum-oriented in nature.

[Postie]

I went and found an Eddie town game.

Holy shit he needs rope right the fuck now

[Postie]

@Dunn

- Link me some games that show Tchill has a meta of lurking as scum?

[Dunnstral]

Anyone interested in a last-minute actually good wagon on GE for that gross case in #702?

Unvote, vote: Gamma Emerald

Hey, Cogito Ergo Scum, what's wrong with the heuristic's of this one? Or are you just derauling a tchill lynch by any means necessary at this point?

Spoiler: Tchill Activity

Like, that game just happened. How do you explain such a discrepancy with just your post count, Tchill? And then why does your play seem different, as well?

Spoiler: Tchill Activity

Like, that game just happened. How do you explain such a discrepancy with just your post count, Tchill? And then why does your play seem different, as well?

Let's keep this going, I wasn't even in this game but it just ended (he posted in it more recently than this game):

Spoiler:

Oh look, he's the top post count again. Literally hundreds of posts as town, a gain. And he was actively posting in this game but disappears for this one

When you incessantly spam games with hundreds and hundreds of posts and basically make games less pleasent you BETTER BELIEVE I'm going to call you out for it the second you roll scum and start lurking

[Postie]

You're only showing me his town games. You need to actually show that this is something he's more likely to do as scum.

[Llamarble]

I um.
Well fine then.
VOTE: EddieFenix

[Dunnstral]

@Dunn

- Link me some games that show Tchill has a meta of lurking as scum?

Hm, I actually can't find any

There's still the matter of his actual posting looking different to where he is town, though

I'm kind of eyeing Cogito Ergo Sum and wondering if they're white knighting/defending scum and wondering if it's better to just go for them instead