Team Mafia 2018: Inventions Mafia Day 4

[Aneninen]

If we elect him as the Doc, he will very likely, because the Doc can't self-target.

[GuiltyLion]

If we follow your logic, there will be a Nightkill, and whoever the Doc protects, the scum can go after them next Night. (Unless they get lynched.) If we elect a town-looking player as the Doc, the scum will simply Nightkill him. (If not, there will be a WIFOM, I think.)

No one is saying to elect the most town looking players as doc

WIFOM to scum NK is not as useful as you are pretending it is, especially since this is currently a 9v1. If completely random and unannounced, the odds of scum killing the same person as the doc protect is ~1/8 (not entirely correct, actual odds are slightly lower as doc could "protect" scum, but oversimplifying here for the sake of my point). Even if you think of two "obvtowns" and have doc coinflip between them (which is also fine by me), that leaves scum with a choice of killing someone else or at worst, 50% chance of success.

What I am trying to gain out of this instead is a

guarantee

that someone who is not getting lynched this game survives until tomorrow, to put more pressure on scum to have to bullshit a push elsewhere.

Why are you asking Smart/BYF to explain themselves? You previously said they weren't in your lynchpool, are you townreading them?

[GuiltyLion]

And this is another thing from GuiltyLion which makes no sence from the town point of view. See above; he wanted to know whom the Doc will protect – and got it.

also like, citation for why this is scummy is completely missing. town!GL wanted to know who the Doc will protect, and got it. As long as the doc isn't going rogue and pulling some stupid gambit on saving some other random slot, then I think the most utility we get out of this is just guaranteeing the survival of an obvtown.

[GuiltyLion]

Obviously om confbiasing it but it's kinda meh?

i'll write up a better case tonight or tomorrow if I'm not feeling lazy but everything he's done yesterday and today feels awkward and meant to spread paranoia and chaos

[Aneninen]

(1) I think the scum has quite a lot of choices, as for players out of the lynch-pool. So it's not a big advantage for town that a certain player will not die

Tonight

. This means, that player can be Nightkilled one Night later, that's all. However, if the Doc's target is public the chance for a Nightkill is 100%.

(2) Even if I townread someone I have

all

the motivation to question them. I don't even get it why this is a thing.

(3) What citation do you need? I've expressed it before, more than once, that you want to know what the PRs are doing. Guess what, I'm not interested in that. Whoever the Doc protects, fine for me. And if Ghostlin Vengekills me at any point of the game? Also fine. You're the one who's worried about the PR-actions.

[Aneninen]

Where's everyone?!!

BigYoshiFan, ErrantParabola, Creature, Vonflare, Ghostlin: it's clear that you've posted elsewhere but done nothing here recently!!!

Also,

Mod

, Smocaine, Vonflare and Ghostlin are in the prod zone now!!!

[Ghostlin]

Prod dodge; I will be posting thoughts tomorrow, and considering I've been at least double prodded, Anen, I really haven't.

[singersigner]

@mod...can we get a votevote count?

I'm ready to lynch someone.

[Aneninen]

What do you think of Ghostlin's sudden post right after I called out everyone who had posted elsewhere but not here?

[Aneninen]

Also, why can't we elect Errant instead of Yoshi? I've already expressed my reasons for that.

[Errantparabola]

Feel free to elect me instead. I'm also ready to end the day. I'd probably add vonflare and singer to singer's pool.

[vonflare]

prodge, working on a midterm paper

[vonflare]

Feel free to elect me instead. I'm also ready to end the day. I'd probably add vonflare and singer to singer's pool.

which pool

[beeboy]

Day 3, VC 4

With 10 alive it takes 6 to lynch.

Ghostlin (2)

- singersigner, BigYoshiFan

Aneninen (1)

- GuiltyLion

GuiltyLion (1)

- Smocaine

Not Voting (6)

- Aneninen, Ghostlin, Something_Smart, Errantparabola, Vonflare, Creature

Deadline:

(expired on 2018-02-22 08:59:00)

Invention Vote

1-shot Doctor: During the night you may target another player and protect them from being killed during the night.

BigYoshiFan (4)

- Something_Smart, BigYoshiFan, Errantparabola, GuiltyLion

GuiltyLion(1)

- singersigner,

ErrantParabola (1)

- Aneninen

Not Voting (3)

- Ghostlin, Vonflare, Creature

[singersigner]

What do you think of Ghostlin's sudden post right after I called out everyone who had posted elsewhere but not here?

It's not great.

But he's also right, so.

Also, why can't we elect Errant instead of Yoshi? I've already expressed my reasons for that.

I'm fine with Errant or Yoshi.

Feel free to elect me instead. I'm also ready to end the day. I'd probably add vonflare and singer to singer's pool.

My death pool? You want to include two people to my death pool...making it six people...out of ten...

[Errantparabola]

Well, I'd remove me.
Can we decide on who ghostlin kills before we lynch him?

[vonflare]

Well, I'd remove me.
Can we decide on who ghostlin kills before we lynch him?

guiltylion?

[singersigner]

Well, I'd remove me.
Can we decide on who ghostlin kills before we lynch him?

So why would you add me?

[BigYoshiFan]

elect: BigYoshiFan

@mod

[Aneninen]

Feel free to elect me instead. I'm also ready to end the day. I'd probably add vonflare and singer to singer's pool.

What pool?

What do you think of Ghostlin's sudden post right after I called out everyone who had posted elsewhere but not here?

It's not great.
But he's also right, so.

What was right?

I'm fine with Errant or Yoshi.

Why not Errant then?

My death pool? You want to include two people to my death pool...making it six people...out of ten...

Did he mean that? Why would you add yourself?

Can we decide on who ghostlin kills before we lynch him?

I'm not sure whether it's a good idea or not. In theory, if we decide it together, we'll see whether his target has objections. But that can be faked by the scum too.
But he definitely should pick one of these: GuiltyLion, Errant, Aneninen

________

I'm ready to end the Day.
Let's lynch either Ghostlin or GuiltyLion.
If we don't give the Invention to Errant, I can elect BigYoshiFan too.

[Smocaine]

VOTE: guiltylion the Chess sweep has no brakes.

[Smocaine]

THE CHESS SWEEP HAS NO BRAKES

EBWOP

[Creature]

So you got something from chesskid?

[singersigner]

What do you think of Ghostlin's sudden post right after I called out everyone who had posted elsewhere but not here?

It's not great.
But he's also right, so.

What was right?

That he wasn't magically involved in other parts of the site outside of this game.

I'm fine with Errant or Yoshi.

Why not Errant then?

Because Yoshi has more traction and this game has fucking stalled. How is that not obvious?

My death pool? You want to include two people to my death pool...making it six people...out of ten...

Did he mean that? Why would you add yourself?

1. I don't know, hense the question mark...
2. I wouldn't add myself, that was him saying he wanted to add 2+4 that included me. He didn't say he precluded himself until after I questioned it. *shrug*

Can we decide on who ghostlin kills before we lynch him?

I'm not sure whether it's a good idea or not. In theory, if we decide it together, we'll see whether his target has objections. But that can be faked by the scum too.
But he definitely should pick one of these: GuiltyLion, Errant, Aneninen

________

I'm ready to end the Day.
Let's lynch either Ghostlin or GuiltyLion.
If we don't give the Invention to Errant, I can elect BigYoshiFan too.

Why were you questioning why i wouldnt elect Errant if you're 1. Calling to end the day, and 2. Willing to elect Yoshi anyway.

[vonflare]

Feel free to elect me instead. I'm also ready to end the day. I'd probably add vonflare and singer to singer's pool.

What pool?