Mini 1627: Ninja Mini Mafia

[killerjester]

Update-

Drake gave terrible reads. It feels like he's just manufacturing scumreads on popular lynch-candidates and not providing very much reason for them to cruise along for D2. His sheep onto my Varsoon read doesn't go unnoticed.

Konowa, reasonable response, I'm feeling better about him now than I did early on during my read-through.

Zebulin, responded very well. While I feel he could be making better use of his vote he's at least paying attention and engaging the game.

BBT, ignored/missed my question. Either way it's slightly scummy.

Varsoon comes off very townish in his manner but is entirely misrepping my actions to try to paint me as scummy. It comes off as forced and I just don't see the town motivation behind it. My vote stay on him for now.

Still waiting on acryon to come in.

I don't know how I feel about Xiao, fish, or Boonskii quite yet. Just that I don't plan to lynch any of them today.

Scumdar looks thus:

Varsoon

Drake Crusader

BlueBloodedToffee

Konowa

Zebulin

orcinus_theoriginal

killerjester

[BlueBloodedToffee]

BBT, ignored/missed my question. Either way it's slightly scummy.

You asked me a question?

[killerjester]

Yes.

[killerjester]

I wanted to know how you felt about a Varsoon wagon.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Can you quote said question.

[killerjester]

Zebulin, your Boonskii vote is dead weight. Can you help me with a Varsoon wagon?

Blue,

same to you

wrt Fish. Hop on the Varsoon train.

What did you think the bolded meant?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

I assumed you meant my vote on Fish was deadweight.

I thought I had made my stance on where I am at in this game pretty clear. Would you disagree?

[killerjester]

Hm. Alright I guess I can see how you read it like that.

You're fairly transparent but you're still playing some things close to the chest. Like you said you can see Varsoon scum but haven't said why.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

If I was interesting in lynching Varsoon toDay, I would.

But, he's not top priority.

Drake looks like a really good lynch.

[killerjester]

The main thing throwing me off from a Drake wagon is this interaction here.

Yes Boon would be my second scum read. The way with words and as I wanted to clear up from earlier post the Self Vote. How is that even considered a town move in any degree?
Followed by Varsoon. He just doesn't bode well with me.

While Varsoon and Drake hold my top two respective scumreads, this interaction dissuades me from the idea of a Drake/Varsoon

team

. I think scumDrake in this position would be looking to start a viable counterwagon, and he wouldn't be interested in light bussing. Given that, I have a stronger scumread on Varsoon and the moment and would rather see him go first.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, but he states Varsoon as his 3rd strongest scum if I'm reading that correctly? Which means that Drake could just spend the day pushing Konowa/Boon and not interact with Varsoon at all.

I don't really see how that post dissuades you from a Drake/Varsoon team.

[killerjester]

I'd agree with you if he was actively pushing

anything

. As it stands it much more has the feel of someone presenting popular lynch candidates to see which one would garner the most support, with the idea that he'd sheep quietly in that direction. He's been lurking the entire game and I hardly expect that to change now.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

OK, so you clearly see reasons for Drake!Scum.

Come join his wagon and we'll worry about Varsoon another time.

[killerjester]

I've seen the reasons from scumDrake since the top of this page. It's simply that I have a stronger read on Varsoon and think he's the better lynch for today. Why do you think Varsoon should wait?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Because I'm having some difficulty reading Varsoon and would like some more time to do so.

[Varsoon]

VOTE: Drake
Dude's probably not scum, but I'm so forever done.

@Killer: How am I misrepping you? I am reacting to what you literally did. :l
Furthermore, there's no way I am on a scumteam with Drake because I am not scum.
Realizing that the dude who replaces in comes in without any critical reading, case, etc, is hardpushing me over null evidence and trying to bargain other players to join onto my wagon?
That shit isn't forced, you dense sack. That's me being thrust into a situation where someone is scummily pushing for my lynch.
OF COURSE I'm going to call it out.

I think it's might convenient that after I called it out you quickly contrived a colorful readslist, handwaved my legitimate complaints about you as misrepping and scumpainting, and then went on to start pushing THE OTHER MOST PUSHED WAGON TODAY.

Most of why I am voting Drake is because I'm so pissed at the weak-ass notion that we're somehow on a scumteam together.
It's literally conjecture without anything backing it up.
VOTE: KillerJesterer

Responding to your play, though, it's -really- clear to me that you're opportunistic, reactionary scum.

[Varsoon]

The -second- it became clear that the Drake wagon and a clearer voter response to it and that I was putting pressure on your vote on me, you swapped to voting Drake,
Drake,
who is notoriously absent to respond to pressure.

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Varsoon, you think Killer is voting Drake?

[Varsoon]

It's VERY clear he's seen the interest in the Drake wagon and is setting up for planting a vote there.

Vote Count

BlueBloodedToffee

(2): Xiao Long, Formerfish

orcinus_theoriginal

(2): Varsoon, Boonskiies

Boonskiies

(1): Zebulin

Konowa

(1): Drake Crusader

Varsoon

(1): orcinus_theoriginal

Formerfish

(1): BlueBloodedToffee

Not Voting

(3): acryon, killerjester, Konowa

With 11 alive, it takes 6 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2014-12-17 18:00:00)

Alright you guys are a fuckin mess. How are we halfway through D2 with no clear direction? Let's get some shit done.

First things first,

Pretty sure the following got asked/answered already, Allyra (especially 'cus I was the one asking the same questions, lol)

oh.

I find this interchange funny.
Because it basically is Varsoon realizing that Allyra hasn't read anything very well - yet not bothering to ask her about it.
Is it just that he's happy to have her townread?
Or is he town who can't figure out how to pressure someone for skimming the game to try to figure out if they're scum or not?

This is about as blatant as scumcoaching gets. Burn it with fire.
VOTE: Varsoon

Acryon, what made you go from wanting to hold off on a Boonskii lynch (#440) to fully endorsing it (#486)?

Drake, give me one additional read besides Konowa. Seriously, do you even have two reads by page 40?

Konowa, now that I've read the flips I'd certainly like to find out why you were being so dodgy with Allyra about your Thor-read.

Zebulin, your Boonskii vote is dead weight. Can you help me with a Varsoon wagon?

Blue, same to you wrt Fish. Hop on the Varsoon train.

Yes Boon would be my second scum read. The way with words and as I wanted to clear up from earlier post the Self Vote. How is that even considered a town move in any degree?
Followed by Varsoon. He just doesn't bode well with me.

ok so we're lynching drake instead

VOTE: drake

killerjester i'm flattered you chose to follow the varsoonscum line of thinking but i like drake for scum a bit more and i'm getting cold feet on the varsoon wagon!

I mean. I see where you're coming from. But is this really the time to be chasing after lurkscum? Be reasonable orc.

I can't even.

Vote: Drake Crusader

killer, it wasn't that I was being dodgy it was that the question didn't interest me at the time. I was more interested in trying to figure out Allyra.

VOTE: Killer Jesterer

You're judging based off of really poor relational tells and you're bargaining poorly for a turbolynch on low-hanging fruit.
Basically, the entry and the vote on me ring really like a scum-throttled entry.

I'm fine with dying if it means I can ensnare you.

Literally all of Killer's interactions are trying to pressure players into turbo-lynching me.

What's his case on me, even?
Thor said something at me that seems like coaching?
First of all, nice conjecture.
Second of all, how did I react to that?
Finally--if that's what makes you absolutely sure that I'm scum, you're full of shit.

If you wanted to pull the goddamn wagon down on me, you need to come with something more than that.
You pretty much latched onto the literal first thing you could find that could (barely) arguably implicate some link between me and thor (OH THOR INTERACTED WITH HIM THEY MUST BE BUDDIES) and now you've already switched to pressuring everyone to vote on me.
You're not encouraging players to inspect the game as a whole, you're trying to push for a wagon.
You're not asking questions that'll garner information, you're just saying, "Drop everything and push varsoon."
And that shit is scummy as fuck.


PEDIT:
@Zebulin: That wasn't really my case on Konowa--that was just a joke.
Like, it's -really- obvious that it wasn't a scumclaim that Konowa made in the original post I quoted.
I was just having some fun.

Like, KillerJ's trying to give me literally no quarter, no argument, no space to answer shit.
"LOOK AT THIS INTERACTION--HE IS SCUM GIVE IT FIRE"
and then instead of asking anything, for reads, for info, for interaction, for anything at all--he's just pushing hard and telling people their votes are worthless if not on me.

Here I am, putting in effort, interacting with folks, giving you all tons of great content to garner reads out of and tackle and such
Buuut noooo
"I'm okay with a lynch on Varsoon" is pretty much today's idea.

If you want me dead, fuckin' lynch me. Don't be a bunch of cuckholded wussies.

This sounded really town. I want to believe. But then you go and say things like this.

Literally all of Killer's interactions are trying to pressure players into turbo-lynching me.

Why do you do these things Varsoon? If you want to convince me you're town why do you turn around and tell lies like that?

Drake's last post hit me in a weird kind of way. I'm scum reading him now because of it. I'm unsure whether or not it was because it was him targeting me though. Either way, I don't have anything else to push on Orc besides guy, so might as well jump on another scum read.

VOTE: Drake

Also, why the hell do I think everyone can potentially be scum, god damn.

VOTE: Drake

hold the course boys

lynch drake

Update-

Drake gave terrible reads. It feels like he's just manufacturing scumreads on popular lynch-candidates and not providing very much reason for them to cruise along for D2. His sheep onto my Varsoon read doesn't go unnoticed.

Konowa, reasonable response, I'm feeling better about him now than I did early on during my read-through.

Zebulin, responded very well. While I feel he could be making better use of his vote he's at least paying attention and engaging the game.

BBT, ignored/missed my question. Either way it's slightly scummy.

Varsoon comes off very townish in his manner but is entirely misrepping my actions to try to paint me as scummy. It comes off as forced and I just don't see the town motivation behind it. My vote stay on him for now.

Still waiting on acryon to come in.

I don't know how I feel about Xiao, fish, or Boonskii quite yet. Just that I don't plan to lynch any of them today.

Scumdar looks thus:

Varsoon

Drake Crusader

BlueBloodedToffee

Konowa

Zebulin

orcinus_theoriginal

killerjester

I've seen the reasons from scumDrake since the top of this page. It's simply that I have a stronger read on Varsoon and think he's the better lynch for today. Why do you think Varsoon should wait?

[BlueBloodedToffee]

Not sure what you're trying to use those quotes for.

I have just been trying to persuade Killer to vote for Drake and he flat out refused...so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

[Varsoon]

What's the case Killer even has on Drake?
What's the case he even has on me?

Illustrated above is Drake's process of misrepping me, saying I am lying about him (I am not), and then quickly considering the Drake wagon and setting up for lynching us both.

I assure you, BBT. You'll have time to read me if I'm not lynched. Scum would never chance killing me.

[Varsoon]

He's literally positioned Drake as his second biggest scumread.

[killerjester]

@Killer: How am I misrepping you? I am reacting to what you literally did. :l

How?

Literally all

of Killer's interactions are trying to pressure players into turbo-lynching me.

When at the time I had spent a fraction of one post asking Blue + Zebulin to get on the Varsoon wagon. Literal or not, you're grossly exaggerating with the suggestion that "all" of my actions were to pressure players into lynching you.

Like, KillerJ's trying to give me literally no quarter, no argument, no space to answer shit.
"LOOK AT THIS INTERACTION--HE IS SCUM GIVE IT FIRE"
and then instead of asking anything, for reads, for info, for interaction, for anything at all--he's just pushing hard and

telling people their votes are worthless if not on me.

Also not true. I was telling them their votes were deadweight, sure, and suggesting a better alternative. But that's not the same as telling people, "Any vote that isn't on Varsoon is a worthless vote."

The -second- it became clear that the Drake wagon and a clearer voter response to it and that I was putting pressure on your vote on me, you swapped to voting Drake,
Drake,
who is notoriously absent to respond to pressure.

And this. What the fuck is this shit? How is this not the very definition of a misrep?

[killerjester]

Guys come on, I know I'm not the only one who sees what's going on.

[Varsoon]

Swapped to talking about voting Drake, which is essentially the same as voting him,
You told people their votes are deadweight, that means they are useless--you then suggested voting me, which implies a vote on me is not useless,
All of your significant actions -were- telling people to vote me. You had some questions in there, but those questions were typically alongside a big push to get people to vote me,


Yeah, there are degrees to which I am hyperbolizing your push on me and awkward swap to Drake.
That doesn't mean it isn't there.
That doesn't mean it isn't very potent, either.

This is what I mean when I say I am biased.