Open 623 (White Flag) - A Moment in Time (Over)

[SirCakez]

Pretty sure she explained her tell although it obviously didn't work out
Why not lynch Fire?

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Hahaha good thing you don't get to decide who dies and who doesn't, viva, at least not during the day. Fire's a great lynch. And I explained the tell on SS a long time ago. I don't know what you're not getting there.

[Cerberus v666]

Viva, I feel like you misunderstood those first two posts about Titus. The first one I asked her if her reads had changed at all since she hadn't been talking about the other two, which has nothing to do with how I read her. It's part of how I determine alignments, but I ask everyone shit like that. In the second, I make a post of me saying I have no fucking clue how I feel about how. I use a funny ASCII dude shrugging to indictate my read on her. How do you get me saying I scumread her out of that???? You're accusing me of scumread>townread, with no reasons, when it was null>townread, with fucking reasons.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

in case everyone forgot all the reasons firebringer is a good lynch, here's every post made by his predecessor, oh and btw, all but one is scummy/scum motivated:

I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're trying too hard to jump into conclusions.

Best to just play the game naturally instead of planning out our strategies D1. If I don't know what I'm doing the Mafia surely can't counter my play.

I think you're scum with SS. Discuss.

I think you're wrong. Discuss.

Seriously I'm still in D1 shenanigans mode why are you looking into this?

Echoes post above it. Which means he waits until town doesn't it so that if someone jumps on him he can jump on someone else for it and say "they did it first"

Vote on SS is now serious.

SS how exactly are you coming to that conclusion?

Echoes again

Lol you guys realize 21 was a joke right.

Vote on SS is now serious.

Interesting. Explain?

It definitely didn't sound like a joke. Now I feel like you're trying to cover your ass.

More echoes

Also note how both of these players thought it was ridiculous for Titus to call them out as scum, but one jumped on Titus for being ridiculous about both and the other one jumped on the first because she was right about one.

Why would razh get on ss for thinking Titus was ridiculous if he thought the same thing like his first post shows?

I can't help but think that razh is thinking"if I turn on ss and he flips town then both of us are cleared, right?"

I don't like how Phantom tries to force his playstyle and not let it come naturally, but that isn't necessarily alignment indicative either. Besides it's best to not tell the Mafia what they can and can't get away with.

Changes the subject and tries to distract from the attention on him and ss

VOTE: Rhazh
Attacking people without voting to support it, making unprompted references to what the scum want or do, inconsistencies in play. Overall feels like he is trying to fit in and play like everyone else is.

I'm sorry I'm more used to a different site where the meta isn't to vote whoever you push. Speaking of I'd like to see if there actually are any associative tells against me in 3 pages, because I sure as hell don't see them.

It's been pages and the only thing he responds to is the vote on him? And what's this about associative tells?

I'm about to reread the thread and look more into a few people's ISOs, but just a quick note. I've played enough games with SirCakez to say this. If Cakez is playing like Town, he's scum. If he's playing like garbage, he's Town. Believe me on this I've seen him play amazing as scum and terribad at Town.

Giving thoughts can be towny ish except this post also shows that he isn't caught up since instead of sharing his read on cakez, he tells everyone else how their read is wrong. No risk for him because he's not sharing his read

VOTE: AI

Yeah no saying Town are confident isn't a scum tell unless you want to use it to back up a case of IIoA or something. Also your read on me is 100% bullshit fishing for Town cred.

Defensive and what? I don't get this post. Still only responding to pressure against him.

Also votes to distract from ss wagon, he's avoiding it for some reason, maybe to get out of vca easier or there's too much scum on it already

SS how many times are you gonna say you weren't serious after you get called out on something?

Confirms that he's still scum reading ss while pushing a counter wagon

So you think I'm dumb enough to pull out a serious associative tell on page 1.
Noted.

Cause it was a joke
Relax, titus

I'm almost never confident day 1.
But that doesn't mean I don't have reasons.
And I haven't changed any of those reads. I voted Rhazh because he was mildly scummy. Then you were scummier so I voted you. Then AI was scummier so I voted him.
You're basically saying that once you have one scumread you should ignore everyone else and death tunnel that person. That's antitown.

I agree with you man.

This is disgusting buddying.

VOTE: Rhazh
Attacking people without voting to support it, making unprompted references to what the scum want or do, inconsistencies in play. Overall feels like he is trying to fit in and play like everyone else is.

This doesn't sound like "mildly scummy".

I'm sorry I don't have your magical ability to discern town from scum on page 3, but for me anyway scumreads that early can only be so serious.

More of the above

Rhazh: You were saying earlier that you're townreading Cakez based on meta. Can you link me to some games that will illustrate your point?

http://www.blankmediagames.com/phpbb/vi ... 17&t=34298

Catching up rn.

Says catching up never does

SirCakez is clearly Town. Ignoring my "he plays bad as Town joke", he normally tries to hide in the background and give much weaker opinions. I can tell here that he's actually scumhunting and not faking it for Town cred. Also AI your reads list is bad.

Good for sharing a single actual read. This is probably his town post

Firebringer replaces RhazhBash.

End.

[TheCow]

ee is either scum or bad t b.h

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Ok did a quick reread of the cow and he actually looks town. I don't get the whole push on Titus, though, when he seemed to think SS was scum at the end of the day yesterday.

@thecow how do you feel about pistachi0n

[Extrapolated Eagle]

ee is either scum or bad t b.h

Disagreeing on reads isn't a good reason for saying things like this.

[AlwaysInnocent]

I am starting to think I might be wrong about Cerberus being town.

[TheCow]

Its about sending a message

Scum.

[AlwaysInnocent]

ee is either scum or bad t b.h

Why is he bad? More likely scum then.

I mean, you lolhammered Something_Smart. I don't believe Eagle did anything of the sort.

[TheCow]

I'm also bad k e k

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Rereading pistachio now.
I like his stuff kind of. He doesn't seem particularly towny or scummy, but I'm going to say he's null for now. One thing that sets me a bit off is this series of posts:

The SS wagon is terrible.

Vote 1: SirCakez, who's been scumreading SS since the joke post 21. Also, I'm still scumreading Cakez, so I'm biased because of that.

Vote 2: Titus, also scumreading SS since the beginning, claiming he was caught scum early on. Same thing with the 21. I don't agree with her reasoning for why SS was scum--it was the infamous post 21, and "telegraphing," but didn't give thorough reasons besides those weak ones.

Vote 3: PhantomCobalt, because of "useless theory fluff." Didn't give an example of what the useless theory fluff was, didn't push beyond that.

Vote 4: Yonom, because SS was jumping to conclusions too fast and too randomly. I don't think this was as bad as the other votes, but I disagree with it. I think it's an issue of playstyle--we have people like Cerb who are stingy with their votes and don't use unless almost certain, and we have players like SS who move the vote around to indicate who their current top scumread is.

Vote 5: Extrapolated Eagle, who voted SS after he stopped scumreading Cakez. The vote seems largely arbitrary, EE is scumreading SS for a lot of the same reasons he's townreading AI. SS doesn't seem like someone trying to blend in.

Top scum-reads are Cakez, AI, and Titus.

So he thinks as is town and is suspicious of other people, this is fine.

I do see one inconsistency: SS--why were you changing your vote so often in early game but not budging it now?

But then his read changes as day gets closer to ending

the reason I haven't changed yet is that there's been no support for an EE wagon and a lone vote is useless, so right now it's doing more on SirCakez.

That didn't stop you earlier. Why is it stopping you now?

And grows

I am noting how you stopped changing your vote when people gave you heat for it; I'm also noting how you were quick to vote EE when I pointed out it was odd that you weren't.

And grows

I am noting how you stopped changing your vote when people gave you heat for it; I'm also noting how you were quick to vote EE when I pointed out it was odd that you weren't.

aw man, you figured me out
it wasn't just because you gave me heat, you also made a good point

It seems like a point I shouldn't have had to make, considering how you were playing earlier. I'm starting to scumread you but I'm going to wait until I see a votecount before I decide whether I'm going to vote for you or not.

And now he doesn't want to lynch him

I mean, there's two ways to place your vote. You can vote your top scumread, or you can vote the one out of your scumreads who you think is most likely to be lynched. I'm still figuring out when is the appropriate time for each, and the only way I can gauge that is by others' reactions.
Out of curiosity, which do you think is stronger?

Which one? Scumread?

I'm going to vote you if you aren't at L-1. If you are, I don't want to hammer yet. That's why I'm waiting for the vote count to be posted.

But instead pushes a lynch on ss. TBH the build up is a bit weak and forces to me

VOTE: SomethingSmart

I think we'll get information from this lynch. If SS flips town, I'm going to be looking at Titus for scum tomorrow. If SS flips scum, I'm going to pursue AI.

And all of a sudden it's an information lynch he's using to setup two more pushes tomorrow. I really don't like this post.

other than this he seems a bit solid, but I think this series of posts gives way to his true intentions, so I'm going to say leaning scum on him as well

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I am starting to think I might be wrong about Cerberus being town.

Yeah I've been split on him, I'm going back on that next

Its about sending a message

Scum.

I was serious in my question about pistachio

[Extrapolated Eagle]

I'd also like to hear a lot more from the karnage and pc slots

[TheCow]

That's my answer

[TheCow]

VOTE: titus

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Oh dear I'll get to Cerberus later. Way too many words.

[Firebringer]

Pretty sure she explained her tell although it obviously didn't work out
Why not lynch Fire?

Why not lynch you?
Your definitely in my top 3 scum reads

[Firebringer]

Hahaha good thing you don't get to decide who dies and who doesn't, viva, at least not during the day. Fire's a great lynch. And I explained the tell on SS a long time ago. I don't know what you're not getting there.

I am starting to join the "fire is a good lynch bandwagon"

Normally I think people who want to lynch me are just those who hate my playstyle or consider it anti town or something, I don't know. Think eagle is kinda scum and not just misguided town.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

Hahaha good thing you don't get to decide who dies and who doesn't, viva, at least not during the day. Fire's a great lynch. And I explained the tell on SS a long time ago. I don't know what you're not getting there.

I am starting to join the "fire is a good lynch bandwagon"

Normally I think people who want to lynch me are just those who hate my playstyle or consider it anti town or something, I don't know. Think eagle is kinda scum and not just misguided town.

k i'm going to need you to rephrase those two sentences because they look like they contradict each other from where I am.

And I don't hate your playstyle or think it's necessarily anti-town I don't think. Give me a reason to think you're town, though, and please stop making be feel bad for pushing you :'(

[Firebringer]

k i'm going to need you to rephrase those two sentences because they look like they contradict each other from where I am.

And I don't hate your playstyle or think it's necessarily anti-town I don't think. Give me a reason to think you're town, though, and please stop making be feel bad for pushing you :'(

Am I using moonlogic?
Hate that.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

k i'm going to need you to rephrase those two sentences because they look like they contradict each other from where I am.

And I don't hate your playstyle or think it's necessarily anti-town I don't think. Give me a reason to think you're town, though, and please stop making be feel bad for pushing you :'(

Am I using moonlogic?
Hate that.

What's moonlogic? O_o

[Firebringer]

What's moonlogic? O_o

Titus is expert she could explain.
Its essentially logic that doesn't make sense to anyone but yourself.

[Extrapolated Eagle]

What's moonlogic? O_o

Titus is expert she could explain.
Its essentially logic that doesn't make sense to anyone but yourself.

Oh that's me like all the time. I think. Maybe? IDK.

[SirCakez]

Pretty sure she explained her tell although it obviously didn't work out
Why not lynch Fire?

Why not lynch you?
Your definitely in my top 3 scum reads

Not even aimed at you.