Mini 1698: MDCXCVIII [C'est fini!]

[dragonspawn]

Long day, might post later, might not.

VOTE: gray

The Last few posts have had me questioning him.

First, he tells Anna she is the towniest player he sees. The whole post reeked of him trying to buddy Anna.

Next, he is looking to others to direct him where to vote.why? What's the town motivation for essentially letting others do the hunting?

Just doesn't feel right with me. I still suspect khan but this is pinging more.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Also don't ignore his posts about bulb.

I think if there was a busser on bulbs wagon it is Piss

What do you mean a busser on bulb? Bulb flipped town. How can anyone bus a townie?

This post is really telling. I just can't tell what it's saying yet.

[Kublai Khan]

I was bullying Spicer because his first post about me used the term "Fucking Retarded". Notice how I'm pretty polite to anyone else?

Well, could you not? Because everything about your approach suggests that you're attacking his person instead of his arguments. Possibly because his arguments have substance.

Those posts you highlighted, can you go into more detail?.

Well, 1122 is massively WIFOM. You're bragging about something for town cred simply because there is suspicion on you. When anything questions it and says that maybe it's possible, you got hostile and mocking.

1123 is a post that is dogmatic. It's basically a policy lynch. ("Lynch All Liars")

Also, it's no the content of what Pisskop said, it's just the fact he lied, and then lied again to cover it up.

See, I thought pisskop's reaction when called out on it was scummier than the lie itself.

[Kublai Khan]

Also don't ignore his posts about bulb.

I think if there was a busser on bulbs wagon it is Piss

What do you mean a busser on bulb? Bulb flipped town. How can anyone bus a townie?

This post is really telling. I just can't tell what it's saying yet.

??? Really?

That's the towntell post. Scum would know a scum member died but town might be oblivious if they didn't read the modpost closely.

Why suddenly bring this up after he votes you?

[GrayFoxxxx]

I was bullying Spicer because his first post about me used the term "Fucking Retarded". Notice how I'm pretty polite to anyone else?

Well, could you not? Because everything about your approach suggests that you're attacking his person instead of his arguments. Possibly because his arguments have substance.

Those posts you highlighted, can you go into more detail?.

Well, 1122 is massively WIFOM. You're bragging about something for town cred simply because there is suspicion on you. When anything questions it and says that maybe it's possible, you got hostile and mocking.

1123 is a post that is dogmatic. It's basically a policy lynch. ("Lynch All Liars")

Also, it's no the content of what Pisskop said, it's just the fact he lied, and then lied again to cover it up.

See, I thought pisskop's reaction when called out on it was scummier than the lie itself.

I can't agree that spicer was using reasoning. Just possibles. That gets town no where.

"Gray could be scum so he is", and my disagreement with that, is the whole case against me.

I bragged about being obv town before there was really any "suspicion". I don't think discussing far fetched possibilities constitutes suspicion.

I don't mind discussion. Not sure where I've gotten hostile besides spicer.

Why does it havr to be a policy lynch? He lied, it's one of my best scum reads. His interactions with bulb also look scummy. I'm not claiming this is a fact, but besides you, it's my best scum pick.

Your interactions with Bulb were the worst though. Along with your vote. Was it boon who persuaded you, or did you really think FQ was scum?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Spicer has one arguement. I disagree. How is that attacking him?

[GrayFoxxxx]

Also don't ignore his posts about bulb.

I think if there was a busser on bulbs wagon it is Piss

What do you mean a busser on bulb? Bulb flipped town. How can anyone bus a townie?

This post is really telling. I just can't tell what it's saying yet.

??? Really?

That's the towntell post. Scum would know a scum member died but town might be oblivious if they didn't read the modpost closely.

Why suddenly bring this up after he votes you?

So its possible I bussed my scum partner.

But not possible for DS to say that as scum?

This logic hurts my soul.

[GrayFoxxxx]

I don't know what to think about it. It could be a townslip. Couldn't it be a scumtrick? Idk at this point.

[GrayFoxxxx]

Long day, might post later, might not.

VOTE: gray

The Last few posts have had me questioning him.

First, he tells Anna she is the towniest player he sees. The whole post reeked of him trying to buddy Anna.

Next, he is looking to others to direct him where to vote.why? What's the town motivation for essentially letting others do the hunting?

Just doesn't feel right with me. I still suspect khan but this is pinging more.

Yes I'm trying to buddy Anna I'm pretty sure she's town

[GrayFoxxxx]

Direct doesn't equal cooperation. Nice misrep DS

[GrayFoxxxx]

Gray could be scum so he is", and my disagreement with that, is the whole case against me.

[GrayFoxxxx]

KK seems to be taking advantage of the pressure by sheeping boon again...where did that get KK D1? Right on a mislynch wagon. KK is scum

[GrayFoxxxx]

I'll be busy until tonight. Feel free to repeat your selves

[pisskop]

How is it shifting at all? You've been null-town/null-scum on my list all game? Also, I've been explaining my "If GF is scum, then Pisskop is probably his buddy" the past few pages. Are you even reading?

What are your thoughts on GF, then, hmm?

Fox still hovers around the null area. I'm really not a fan of how he harps on such small things and tries to build cases out of them, but I'm not convicned its scummy in of itself.

Why me? Why kop
What makes you town reads town.
You've done no explaining anna

This ^^

KK Piss or Imp

Y?

My paranoia wants me to look more into a Pisskop/DS team, but meh. Lazy, and I want to believe right now that Pisskop scum is reliant on GF scum.

This is bad. You argueably know DS and I the most here. It seems like everybody's potential scum to you today

@pisskop - Why did you say you searched it (subconscious) when you didn't?

Umm I did? Thats kind of why I mentioned it.

Why are we drawing on this? And why do you keep implying I

could

be scum but never moving further with it? That is scummy. Its probing for a lynch.

[pisskop]

Its just the same group of people kind of wheeling around the mulberry bush. We arent going anywhere, and we're letting others sideline.

[Annarchy]

Why me? Why kop
What makes you town reads town.
You've done no explaining anna

I don't like to explain townreads unless there's a particular reason to, like if that player is close to being lynched or something. because most of the time others' townreads are ignored in favor of people's personal views on a player. townreads are more likely to be ignored than scumreads. PARTICULARLY right now, I don't have very much confidence in my reads, so I would like to be a little more passive and wait for things to make more sense for me before asserting my opinion

And the way Foxx has acted after that has seriously not helped the cause at all.

I'm voting KK who seems to be a pretty common scum read. Sorry if that's acting scummy.

see, stuff like this is what makes me doubt my town read on you Gray
also I'm pretty sure like half of the people who initially suspected KK are now looking another direction/starting to think otherwise

You're the towniest player that I see. I don't mind answering any questions you have. Please ask anything, I do want to cooperate with you.

Boon said my actions are scummy. All I have done is bicker with him,and spicer. So I'm guessing he meant my vote on KK. Am I looking at it wrong?

I initially voted KK as an agreement between you and Dom.

But if you guys have a better scum read let me know and we can discuss the best coarse of action.

I guess I'd like to know where you stand on pisskop? just focusing on him, what's your read? right now I'm not interested in voting the other two options you said you were interested in (implosion and KK) but I would really like to get a better idea of what people are thinking on pisskop
actually

hey everyone, if you haven't given an opinion on pisskop, could you show your thoughts there?

to give people a better idea of what I'm thinking right now, pisskop is currently my pick for most likely to be scum... but at the same time, in a vacuum I would place him at essentially null. basically I have too many townreads.

[pisskop]

Anna, I'd ask you to glance over my games.

But I'd also be happy if you ran down

why

these people are townreads. I tend to have to many scumreads myself; occassion gets me into lategame trouble.

[Boonskiies]

I won't be able to post much today, if it all. We'll see if I can tonight.

[Kublai Khan]

I can't agree that spicer was using reasoning. Just possibles. That gets town no where.

"Gray could be scum so he is", and my disagreement with that, is the whole case against me.

I thought his case against you was this:

Right now my biggest scum read is Greyfox. I dont like this Piss is lying crusade he is on. It seems a little too forced and is making a mountain out of a ant hill. I also didnt like how he responded to Kahns accusation earlier in the game on post 80 . It was a vague and very weak rebuttal. It seemed as if he had a shoo fly dont bother me attitude about it. I just feel like if he was town he would have explained the better way to avoid reactions and said why his analysis was false. Pretty much all his posts are like this. A lot of statements but not a lot of explanation into those statements. To me scum never explain shit because its easy for them to fuck up that way

Which chronologically makes this inaccurate:

I bragged about being obv town before there was really any "suspicion".

Which doesn't answer the question of "why brag at all?"

Why does it havr to be a policy lynch? He lied, it's one of my best scum reads. His interactions with bulb also look scummy. I'm not claiming this is a fact, but besides you, it's my best scum pick.

Well, it amounts to policy lynch because you've been asked to show the scum benefit for the lie (vs. lazytown) and you haven't. You adamantly insist that pisskop lied, scum lie, therefore pisskop is scum. That's a policy lynch.

Your interactions with Bulb were the worst though. Along with your vote. Was it boon who persuaded you, or did you really think FQ was scum?

I thought FA_Q2 was scum. I explained why. FA_Q2 even complained that I wasn't voting him.

Also don't ignore his posts about bulb.

I think if there was a busser on bulbs wagon it is Piss

What do you mean a busser on bulb? Bulb flipped town. How can anyone bus a townie?

This post is really telling. I just can't tell what it's saying yet.

??? Really?

That's the towntell post. Scum would know a scum member died but town might be oblivious if they didn't read the modpost closely.

Why suddenly bring this up after he votes you?

So its possible I bussed my scum partner.

But not possible for DS to say that as scum?

This logic hurts my soul.

WTF? Are you not reading the game? Like, do you just ignore anything that isn't addressed to you?

I had a back and forth with dragonspawn about it. I have and had massive reservations about dragonspawn but I've convince myself that it's certainly possible for him to be that level of horribly bad mafia player and moved on.

The more you ask me to believe that it's impossible that you would bus a partner, the more I believe it's possible.

[Kublai Khan]

@pisskop - Why did you say you searched it (subconscious) when you didn't?

Umm I did? Thats kind of why I mentioned it.

But then why'd you get it wrong?

Why are we drawing on this? And why do you keep implying I

could

be scum but never moving further with it? That is scummy. Its probing for a lynch.

I'm "drawing" on this because you're very short & hostile with your answers on the subject. Like, why do I have to ask the question I just asked?

The thing itself isn't that big of a deal. The fact that you question and throw shade on anyone that questions you about it is ridiculous. You did a thing and got a different result than what you should have gotten. It either means you didn't do the thing, which means you should explain why you lied, or you fucked up doing a simple thing which you should explain how you managed that. Super easy, not unreasonable request for info. Really not sure why this takes several days to still figure out.

Also, "probing for a lynch"? What does that even mean?

[spicer1209]

Spicer, and boons whole case is based on nothing.

"It's not impossible for Gray to be scum.And he said he's Obvtown so let's vote him."

We have no reason to say he is ACTUALLY is scum.

Going to change gears today and start pushing more.

Im going to say this one more time for you bud lol Hopefully it clicks this time. Ill even underline and bold it for you.

I am scum reading you because you came out self proclaiming that you were obvitown, pounding the table for the bullshit case that pisskop was lying, and how you have reacted to my questioning ever since.

Notice how there is more there than what you said and yes coming out early in day 2 and proclaiming you are obvitown is scummy to me. To me it seems like you were basically saying "Hey guys I was the first one on the Bulb wagon so dont bother looking towards my direction today."

[spicer1209]

Also don't ignore his posts about bulb.

I think if there was a busser on bulbs wagon it is Piss

What do you mean a busser on bulb? Bulb flipped town. How can anyone bus a townie?

This post is really telling. I just can't tell what it's saying yet.

Its saying that Dragon doesnt think or check things beforehe posts.

[dragonspawn]

Also don't ignore his posts about bulb.

I think if there was a busser on bulbs wagon it is Piss

What do you mean a busser on bulb? Bulb flipped town. How can anyone bus a townie?

This post is really telling. I just can't tell what it's saying yet.

??? Really?

That's the towntell post. Scum would know a scum member died but town might be oblivious if they didn't read the modpost closely.

Why suddenly bring this up after he votes you?

So its possible I bussed my scum partner.

But not possible for DS to say that as scum?

This logic hurts my soul.

Straw man alert. Khan has not claimed its not possible for me to say that as scum. In fact, he has been one of the main people pressuring me despite my screw up. And I see no problem with him doing that.

So why don't you tell us why you suddenly bring it up after I voted for you

[pisskop]

@pisskop - Why did you say you searched it (subconscious) when you didn't?

Umm I did? Thats kind of why I mentioned it.

But then why'd you get it wrong?

Why are we drawing on this? And why do you keep implying I

could

be scum but never moving further with it? That is scummy. Its probing for a lynch.

I'm "drawing" on this because you're very short & hostile with your answers on the subject. Like, why do I have to ask the question I just asked?

The thing itself isn't that big of a deal. The fact that you question and throw shade on anyone that questions you about it is ridiculous. You did a thing and got a different result than what you should have gotten. It either means you didn't do the thing, which means you should explain why you lied, or you fucked up doing a simple thing which you should explain how you managed that. Super easy, not unreasonable request for info. Really not sure why this takes several days to still figure out.

Also, "probing for a lynch"? What does that even mean?

Would I be better off ignoring it? Like how does one respond to a myriad of petty accusations?

I usually keep basic notes, and since I dont read through multiple times unless I have to my notes are perception based and affected by hindsight.
So unless you can make it mean something Im done with it. Its only going to cause me needless frustration.

[pisskop]

*not affected by hinsight*