Mini 1346: Flavorless Mafia - GAME OVER


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Post Post #150 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:10 pm

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In post 145, Psyche wrote:Could you...elaborate?

Going over thread now. Junpei should ask more interesting questions if he wants them answered promptly. (kidding)


MASSCLAIM IS AWESOME BECAUSE

IT FORCES SCUM TO MAKE COMMITMENTS NOW - LESS MANEUVERING CLAIMWISE IN FUTURE

IT PUTS THEM ON THE SPOT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE (earlier before shit happened would have been better but whatevs)

COUNTERCLAIM POSSIBILITIES

POWERROLES WORKING TOGETHER

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PR/VANILLA POOL


only negative is scum know who the PR's are. Buth I think it's a least balanced out. especially in 7-2
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Post Post #151 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:10 pm

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OH YOU VOTED
LET'S DO SHIT THIS WAY

Vote: Delta


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Post Post #152 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:15 pm

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In post 150, Ellibereth wrote:
In post 145, Psyche wrote:Could you...elaborate?

Going over thread now. Junpei should ask more interesting questions if he wants them answered promptly. (kidding)


MASSCLAIM IS AWESOME BECAUSE

IT FORCES SCUM TO MAKE COMMITMENTS NOW - LESS MANEUVERING CLAIMWISE IN FUTURE

IT PUTS THEM ON THE SPOT AS EARLY AS POSSIBLE (earlier before shit happened would have been better but whatevs)

COUNTERCLAIM POSSIBILITIES

POWERROLES WORKING TOGETHER

MORE INFORMED LYNCHES

PR/VANILLA POOL


only negative is scum know who the PR's are. Buth I think it's a least balanced out. especially in 7-2


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Post Post #153 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:16 pm

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In post 147, Junpei wrote:
In post 146, Psyche wrote:Delta's posts read more like the use of thought to build a case that fits a predefined conclusion.

Huh? Explain how you see this because I don't see it.


But I already diiiid.
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Post Post #154 (ISO) » Sat Jun 16, 2012 7:39 pm

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Posting from phone in regards to me being online but not posting - I haven't been home since I left to a mates 21st after my last post, and won't until tomorrow. I generally tend to keep up on the thread so when I can post I dont have keep re-reading to understand whats going on. Also, I disgaree with a mass claim, I don't think the pro's outweigh the con's here.
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Post Post #155 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 12:38 am

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Lul Elli's town

So Psyche-Elli-FatCat are town
Farside probs town

Elli we can claim tomorrow after we lynch scum today just in case our inv role is tracker k

Im assuming we have an inv role, a prot role, and a mafia role to counter inv role+prot role (gf, rb, etc), just because I don't see any other combination if this is a "simple" game of mafia
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Post Post #156 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:32 am

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Give me reasons for and against voting Delta.

He looks like an innocent in my eyes.
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Post Post #157 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 3:58 am

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VC 1.5

(3) DLG - FatCat, Junpei, Deltabacon
(4) Deltabacon - farside22, Iknal, Psyche, Ellibereth

(1) FatCat - DLG
(1) Junpei - Slaxx


With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Not Voting:

Deadline: Wednesday, June 27, 3pm EST


Spoiler: Vote History
Deltabacon
- FatCat > DLG
Slaxx
Robbnva
- farside22 > unvote | Junpei
Junpei
- DLG
FatCat
- Pysche > DLG
farside22
- FatCat > unvote > Deltabacon
DLG
- Psyche > Junpei > FatCat
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- Deltabacon > unvote >. Deltabacon
Iknal
- Deltabacon
Psyche
- DLG > unvote > DLG > unvote > Deltabacon


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Post Post #158 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:06 am

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In post 84, Psyche wrote:Oh, L-1.

I should not do that pre-read/analysis.

(Nor on page 4.)

Psyche: You unvote at L-1 for DLG but not for Deltabacon? We're talking a difference of a few pages.
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Post Post #159 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:10 am

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In post 153, Psyche wrote:
In post 147, Junpei wrote:
In post 146, Psyche wrote:Delta's posts read more like the use of thought to build a case that fits a predefined conclusion.

Huh? Explain how you see this because I don't see it.


But I already diiiid.

Sorry for double post, but I forgot to respond to this.

I read your post three times now maybe more and I still don't see how it specifically looks like a case from a predefined conclusion instead of thought used to build analysis which reveals a conclusion. Checked your whole ISO as well - can't find an explanation.
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Post Post #160 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:22 am

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In post 147, Junpei wrote:
In post 146, Psyche wrote:Delta's posts read more like the use of thought to build a case that fits a predefined conclusion.

Huh? Explain how you see this because I don't see it.


I saw the same thing soooooo...

In post 156, FatCat wrote:Give me reasons for and against voting Delta.

He looks like an innocent in my eyes.


WHO ELSE BESIDE DGL DO YOU THINK IS SCUM?


I swear to God you keep ignoring my fucking questions on purpose.
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Post Post #161 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:23 am

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@Jun: Do you think there is anything town about Delta? If so what and why?
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Post Post #162 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:26 am

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@Psyche and everyone else, the questions Junpei were putting forward seemed superficial since they were probing Psyches orginal posting, which could have easily been defined as joking, which is what I took it for. This is why I went ahead intobthe RVS, since I just saw it as a joke, not the reaction test you said it was, which im fine with,since it ended RVS before it begun, I didnt see this until you explained it, however, and to this extent, I saw it and the argument around it as embellishment, unnessessary. Junpei's questioning of it at the time was deadly serious, however and since I saw it as a joke, and iv only really come to terms with the way it panned out after a hefty re read. When I posted that comment on the superficiality of his questions, I was still looking at it as a joke which had escalated, as opposed to a serious discussion, and yet now it appears to be the argument of the day

Which brings me to a complete lack of reasoning behind two votes on myself. Psyches and Ellibereth's. Psyche, you said that you have no solid scumtells, at th bottom of the post, the majority of whoch is abput me and yet, you vote for me. Whitsy contradict yourself? You find me scummy, because you
sliked my comment on Junpei, and your justification that the wagon is a good one, and that scum can think?

Okay, so my phones managed to screw up the formatting. Ill clean it up as soon as i get to a computer.

I dont likevthe casual natoture of how you've hopped onto the t wagon, and that you covered it with a wall of fluff. I dont hve a scumread on you
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Post Post #163 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:32 am

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Okay, so to clarify, im explaining my questioning against junpei, and defending myself.

- i dont have a scunread o you, but I think this is you being lazy town, Psyche.

Ellibereth, on the other hand, has essentially lurked all game, and their only comment has been to suggest a massclaim based on an appeal to probability. Putting me at L-1 without even contributing to thr case people have built on me? I honestly dont see how more people do not see you as scummy. Im at L-1, so if people want to have a claim, ill claim. Ill be active for the next few hours in any case.
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Post Post #164 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:36 am

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In post 161, farside22 wrote:@Jun: Do you think there is anything town about Delta? If so what and why?

Well as I said I believe in scum tells not town tells, but Delta hasn't done anything in particular to make me think he is town. That being said, I don't feel the arguments for Delta expressed here outweigh the DLG arguments. And Psyche's predetermined conclusion still goes over my head.

I'll have to look to see if I can believe re: Joke not reaction test response from DeltaBacon's 162.

Delta: Have anything to comment on within a scumhunting basis past page 2?
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Post Post #165 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:43 am

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@Delta: Your statement was that you thought Jun's quetions were superfically were directed questions asked to FC and DLG. I'm asking you which questions those were.
Also Psych put more reasoning then your stating in your post 162.

In post 163, Deltabacon wrote:Okay, so to clarify, im explaining my questioning against junpei, and defending myself.

- i dont have a scunread o you, but I think this is you being lazy town, Psyche.

Ellibereth, on the other hand, has essentially lurked all game, and their only comment has been to suggest a massclaim based on an appeal to probability. Putting me at L-1 without even contributing to thr case people have built on me? I honestly dont see how more people do not see you as scummy. Im at L-1, so if people want to have a claim, ill claim. Ill be active for the next few hours in any case.


Now we have pot this is kettle in calling out Elli for lurking and saying not much of anything.
And no vote on Elli either.

Fun, fun, I'm happy with this lynch/vote.
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Post Post #166 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 4:45 am

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@Jun: Use points on everything that you believe makes DLG scummy in your view.
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Post Post #167 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:12 am

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This should be everything. There were some things that others find suspicious in DLG that I didn't agree with though so if you want a comprehensive list you'll have to ask probably a couple others or just ISO other people.


Iknal:
In post 102, Junpei wrote:Iknal, I would love to hear how you think that DLG is not scum given the evidence presented. Don't bother using "gut" response; and being voted because of being active seems like an unfair coincidence to use to write off the case on DLG.

I don't want this to be forgotten: Respond to this asap, and while you're at it give us all your scumreads and an updated read of Deltawave - your current one is honestly incomprehensible and I'd like more explanation.
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Post Post #168 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:44 am

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In post 160, farside22 wrote:

In post 156, FatCat wrote:Give me reasons for and against voting Delta.

He looks like an innocent in my eyes.


WHO ELSE BESIDE DGL DO YOU THINK IS SCUM?


I swear to God you keep ignoring my fucking questions on purpose.


Young lady, I would appreciate you not taking that tone with me.

It's 75%+ that DGL is a mafia, anyone with a brain in their head can see that.

Therefore, I'm being very careful before pointing my figure at anyone else.
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Post Post #169 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:48 am

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In post 168, FatCat wrote:Therefore, I'm being very careful before pointing my figure at anyone else.

That's stupid - if you were to die wouldn't you want your reads heard? Town should want nothing to not come to light in regards to who is and isn't scum. I get wanting DLG lynched way over anyone else, but you show active suspicion of multiple people and still primarily push to and get a specific suspect lynched.
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Post Post #170 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:49 am

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In post 155, Slaxx wrote:So Psyche-Elli-FatCat are town
Farside probs town

Elli we can claim tomorrow after we lynch scum today just in case our inv role is tracker k

Im assuming we have an inv role, a prot role, and a mafia role to counter inv role+prot role (gf, rb, etc), just because I don't see any other combination if this is a "simple" game of mafia


the hell is a mafia role for today >.>
and its regardless of today
and sooner is better so

SCUM DON'T HAVE TIME TO NIGHTTALK IT
Especially since half the settup seem to be kinda new or at least unexperienced with early massclaim scenario.

also balance wise
assuming 10 -2 is balanced
we already need a decent amount of power 7 - 2 to balance vanilla scum.
lolz if they have power

but yeah, it loses some of its effectiveness if scum have time to coordinate this shit and to take into account flips
it already is slightly less effective since they can take into account reads

SO YEAH, WE FORCE DELTY TO CLAIM AND THEN CLAIM DOWN THE LINE
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Post Post #171 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:53 am

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the talk about more than one person thing on cat is silly
but i'll let him deal with athat
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Post Post #172 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 5:55 am

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DELTA CLAIM
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Post Post #173 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:00 am

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In post 172, Ellibereth wrote:DELTA CLAIM

Vote DLG, and have DLG claim, if you're so hot for anyone to claim. You haven't shown any real preference aside from the vote so should be no issue for you to switch.
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Post Post #174 (ISO) » Sun Jun 17, 2012 6:01 am

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me calling someone town and then voting someone else IS preference
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