New York 182 - Game Over

[copper223]

Thanks, that would be swell.

[Antihero]

Just make a case on Antihero when he says something scummy, pressure the fuck out if him and if he starts lurking lynch.

you've never played w/ me when i'm town...

where did you get this from?

[Gorkington]

i should have known that calling people dogs would turn me into the villain of this game.

i would wagon copper because i am offended.

[Antihero]

is hated normal?

[pisskop]

is hated normal?

Wat?
umm, I don't think so?
Why would you . . .

[Antihero]

varsoon claimed hated

Ya'll honkies need to jump off for real.
Gonna go ahead an let you all know I'm hated. I think that's something people should claim earlier than later.
Thor loves running up early wagons, by the by. I used to be pissed at this thing, but now I think it's cute.

[Gorkington]

there can be 1-2 not totally gonked up roles that arent on the list of normal roles.

[Antihero]

the monkey wrench w/ hateds is the lylo clause. i don't know there's a "normalized" version of hated...

hold on. research.

[Antihero]

there can be 1-2 not totally gonked up roles that arent on the list of normal roles.

uh... yeah, but everything still has to be "normalized." they have 3 people review it for normalcy. mods don't have a lot of leeway to add "just whatever" to their setups in normal games. everything is pretty rigidly defined

[Sakura Hana]

Wow hated? that's why you managed to become a magnet of votes! (joking i know what hated means).
I didn't know Hated/Loved were Normal roles.
As for everyone wondering about the wagon on Varsoon, and Thor's questioning that's Thor being Thor.
A Translation of Thor's intent for those that don't know him:
Thor likes early wagons run up as high as L-1 as soon as possible.
Such wagons can get interesting reactions from other people and the person being wagoned.
Since Varsoon should be a nullread at most for anyone and has the highest ammount of votes, he assumes the only reason someone wouldn't vote him is because of a townread or him, or a scumread on someone else. Hence his questioning.

Notice also that when i said i was townreading the people voting Varsoon some people jumped in to vote in. Me harassing people not voting him as possible scum partners was waiting to see who and how would cave in to pressure. choof became a scumread out of that, Gorky whatchamacallit became a townread instead, antihero im still not sure on, but if he's town he'll become obvious eventually. I agree with pisskop about the replace out being null, but i just can't find it in me to think that his feelings about not knowing what was going on weren't genuine.
Anyway, copper decides to vote Varsoon and leave, not even thoughts, not even reaction about the wagon being formed, so i'm going to go there now.

Unvote
Vote: copper

PEd: Good morning anti

[Sakura Hana]

Although i haven't been around for a while, is there still this thing about 1 non-normal role on normals and 2 non-normal roles on large normals?

[Gorkington]

whats the lylo clause and why would it be more likely to bar existence of a hated vs a doublevoter?

A Translation of Thor's intent for those that don't know him:

why translate thor?

[Gorkington]

meh.
VOTE: copper

[Sakura Hana]

why translate thor?

For people that are confused about the quickwagon on Varsoon, since i know it's thor being thor regardless of alignment.

[Antihero]

Although i haven't been around for a while, is there still this thing about 1 non-normal role on normals and 2 non-normal roles on large normals?

no

the stick up the nrg's ass has considerably increased in size in the time you were here, sakura. see: hydras being disallowed from normals

whats the lylo clause and why would it be more likely to bar existence of a hated vs a doublevoter?

A Translation of Thor's intent for those that don't know him:

why translate thor?

"lylo clause" = "does the hated modifier go away in lylo?"
it's important b/c of the quickhammer implications in endgame. it affects the balance A LOT. it's the difference between an effective named townie and a way for scum to autowin if they even GET to lylo.

is there a normal standard for hated? i just looked through larges and i don't see anyone using hated so i'm doing mini's now.

[copper223]

Just make a case on Antihero when he says something scummy, pressure the fuck out if him and if he starts lurking lynch.

you've never played w/ me when i'm town...

where did you get this from?

From your sister describing your scum meta to me and from how you reacted the last time you were scum and more than just one or two players piled onto you.

[Gorkington]

could have same issue with a doublevoter.
most non-normal thing about it is the neg-utility aspect imo, but i dont think theyd rule against that.
for now i think varsoon's play is more important to look at.

From your sister describing your scum meta to me and from how you reacted the last time you were scum and more than just one or two players piled onto you.

why does towncopper tell anti how he is going to see if hes scum?
surprise answer: he doesnt.
get it?

[copper223]

Wow hated? that's why you managed to become a magnet of votes! (joking i know what hated means).
I didn't know Hated/Loved were Normal roles.
As for everyone wondering about the wagon on Varsoon, and Thor's questioning that's Thor being Thor.
A Translation of Thor's intent for those that don't know him:
Thor likes early wagons run up as high as L-1 as soon as possible.
Such wagons can get interesting reactions from other people and the person being wagoned.
Since Varsoon should be a nullread at most for anyone and has the highest ammount of votes, he assumes the only reason someone wouldn't vote him is because of a townread or him, or a scumread on someone else. Hence his questioning.

Notice also that when i said i was townreading the people voting Varsoon some people jumped in to vote in. Me harassing people not voting him as possible scum partners was waiting to see who and how would cave in to pressure. choof became a scumread out of that, Gorky whatchamacallit became a townread instead, antihero im still not sure on, but if he's town he'll become obvious eventually. I agree with pisskop about the replace out being null, but i just can't find it in me to think that his feelings about not knowing what was going on weren't genuine.
Anyway, copper decides to vote Varsoon and leave, not even thoughts, not even reaction about the wagon being formed, so i'm going to go there now.

Unvote
Vote: copper

PEd: Good morning anti

The purpose of a flash wagon is to give the impression you are going to lynch a player and see how others react, I voted there to keep the momentum going after gorkinton and choof stopped it and I had no opinion on Varsoon's alignment at the time, nor was I going to say what I thought about the wagon, that it was a big reaction test, while it was going on as that would defeat it's purpose, what opinions did you have on the wagon?

[copper223]

could have same issue with a doublevoter.
most non-normal thing about it is the neg-utility aspect imo, but i dont think theyd rule against that.
for now i think varsoon's play is more important to look at.

From your sister describing your scum meta to me and from how you reacted the last time you were scum and more than just one or two players piled onto you.

why does towncopper tell anti how he is going to see if hes scum?
surprise answer: he doesnt.
get it?

Because it's not something he can control much and he will probably just look awkward if he does and I can't produce that kind of pressure alone so I need that read to be know, get it?

[Antihero]

could have same issue with a doublevoter.

doublevoter is whitelisted and has precedence

hated is NOT whitelisted and has NEVER been used in any normal setup before

i'm not hammering on this because LOLSETUPSPEC. i'm hammering on this b/c hated is a claim that buys you pretty cheap towncred but is impossible to verify and in this case i'm having doubts that it's even possible

i don't buy the claim

VOTE: varsoon

[Gorkington]

overexplain yourself harder scumsir.

i don't buy the claim

but i dont want this day to end.

[copper223]

Ok you are a PL for me.

[Gorkington]

probably wont be hard to convince people to wagon the villain of the game.
ill know the truth though.
and ill take that to my grave.

[House]

could have same issue with a doublevoter.

doublevoter is whitelisted and has precedence

hated is NOT whitelisted and has NEVER been used in any normal setup before

i'm not hammering on this because LOLSETUPSPEC. i'm hammering on this b/c hated is a claim that buys you pretty cheap towncred but is impossible to verify and in this case i'm having doubts that it's even possible

i don't buy the claim

VOTE: varsoon

This hammer does not match up with his scummy.

Ergo, he is scum.

[House]

Time go to buy a slushee while I wait for the flip.