Mewbie 2094 -- GAME OVER

[Lukewarm]

UNVOTE:

I'll be around in like an hour

[Cat.Jpeg]

I knew that would happen if I waited and I didn't know if i should. I won't be active for about 10 hrs and wont be active for a long period of time for 18 hrs, I don't want to be too close to the deadline

[Cat.Jpeg]

I will check this again before I go to sleep tho

[Lukewarm]

Day 4 deadline is in 1 day, 16 hours, 55 minutes

[Lukewarm]

Voting Bella feels like betting the entire game on the fact that exactly Bella is scum, because if we are wrong, I am always voted out in the catboi/syugar/luke elo... and I am not remotely confident that Bella is scum.

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I think that I am back here: VOTE: syugar

I cannot bring myself to trust him. I find myself feeling like he does not believe the things that he is saying.

doesn't seem like bella is interested in solving the game, isn't really engaging with posts today and is just writing simplistic justifications

sadly i think because of catbois lingering fos on lukewarm today if i go over elo is pretty strongly weighted in her favor

luke looks less partnered with gm the more i reread and talked with him today, largely for reasons i already believed in yesterday and just threw aside, i didn't really have any logical edge against him when we were arguing and his points related to yesterday's vote make sense

the case building gm was doing with catbois slot strongly makes me believe they arent partners so bella being gms partner may just adhere more strongly to occams razor despite the fact she was one of the jks

Like, I he said this, but I feel like he simply has not played like he ever actually believed this. From casing me soon after, to repeatedly saying that every thing I was doing was "outing" and "digging my own hole deeper." To landing back on me being 85% scum.

This feels more like a justification for moving him vote from me -> Bella then a genuine read/take that he had.

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And then, when I was working on my catboi case, he chimed in with

This game is too hard

I think it's hard because you're holding onto a scumread on me that's becoming more and more untenable as the day progresses

But it's interesting because as I become closer and closer to trying to towncore with catboi and solve the game by PoE it makes scum REALLY have to get me elimmed today

Which feels more less like he actually cares to see what I have to say, and more like he just wants to discredit any points I might have to bring up against him.

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And in general, the way that he has bounced between trying to get me elimed to trying to get Bella elimed just feels bad. Like, he is going for which ever one would work. Going after me (1182) when catboi was there (1163). Then going to Bella (1285) after catboi unvotes (1219) and Bella and jpeg both say that they won't vote me.


It feels like his only focus is getting himself and catboi to elo. And I think that him and catboi making it to elo is likely best case scenario for scum!syugar, especially since he had already compiled meta that he thinks would convince catboi that he had to be town here.

we've hit the point in the game where I'm polarized as town and this just isn't my scumgame, and I have stuff ready to send to catboi to show him that and kick him in the pants.

And even looking at what makes him absolutely convinced that catboi has to be town here.

full disclosure, if we eliminate luke today and he's town, i'm probably gonna vote bella within 5 seconds tomorrow, don't see catboi/gm as filler and i thought a few things in the thread were too corny to come from that pair, ggwp if you tricked me although it'd mean i played fairly horribly

team's pretty much impossible though fmpov

Like, this is enough for him to be this sure in a game that he describes as "literally one of the hardest town games I've played in the last two years."

I have my doubts.

[Lukewarm]

I don't even know if this is the answer. But it could be, and this feels like the most likely path for us to win either way.

It felt like I was beat down into just trusting syugar's plan, but it just feels like losing.

[Lukewarm]

Someone who knows Catboi (syugar but also anyone else), tell me, ignoring everything else from this game, would catboi be open to doing a crazy bus at the start of this game if he and GM were partnered?

To answer this, I have seen catboi bus the ever living shit out of his team before when he thought it was what was needed to win.

Day 1 was a double elimination, and we managed to kill 2 scum. Then Day 2 we killed third scum. And he was vocally on all three. So, by the end of Day 2 he had bussed three of his partners

Spoiler: alter ego = catboi

With 14 players alive, it takes 8 votes to burn a servant.

Moon Cancer (8):

Alter Ego

, Assassin, Caster, Rider, Saber, Lancer, Beast, Archer

Deadline: (expired on 2021-07-12 00:17:51)


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With 13 players alive, it takes 7 votes to burn a servant.

Saber (7): Beast, Rider, Assassin, Caster,

Alter Ego

, Shielder, Archer
Avenger (1): Foreigner
Ruler (1): Lancer
Lancer (1): Ruler

Deadline: (expired on 2021-07-12 00:17:51)

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With 11 players alive, it will take 6 votes to burn a servant.

Deadline for Day 2 is set at: (expired on 2021-07-19 15:09:16)



Avenger (3): Beast, Rider, Caster
Foreigner (6): Avenger, Shielder, Foreigner, Berserker,

Alter Ego

, Lancer

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This was a big part of the reason why he was my strongest town read that game, as him and I felt so in synch the entire time as we killed scum after scum. It bought him all the way to Elo, where he only lost because both other players had mechanincal innos on them -- but, both players were worried that the mechanical inno on the other person was faulty because they had such a hard time seeing catboi as partnered with the 3 scum that had been flipped.

That being said, he clearly did not want to bus off all three of his partners, and it was done for strategic reasons based on the way that they were playing and how they were being read.

[Lukewarm]

VOTE: lukewarm

i don't care anymore

you're scum or can die for being ridiculous

i'm reverting back my 2010 level of play

Scum!Luke never turns on you here. He never softens on syugar, and camps there to the end of the phase, and then bella and jpeg have to chose between killing me or syugar - and I am pretty sure that I just win that based on their reads.

Or alternatively, I just turn on Bella. I spotted enough that i mentioned just now when syugar asked where I could have easily done that. You have been weivering between us this phase.


And like, it feels like you are not actually asking if scun!luke would have done any of the things this game.

Would scum like kill syugar into bella?

No. I fucking saw the worst's post. I would have killed him every time. He was hinting a pr and he scum read me (and maybe gm, I'm not looking back right now) and we are in a column with a cop and a jk.

And even if I decided to pass on the worst here, I kill you over syugar OR bella here. You are the only player on this list that had any experience with me, and i think youbare a good player, and i would fear kill you for it. Plus you were scum reading gm.

Would scum luke argue for the massclaim?

No. I would be terrified that me or my partner- which ever didbthe kill- was jailed. Like, that is literally what happened to me in my first scum game on site. A newbie game, and the jk targeted me night 1 and I promptly died day 2. In my experience before this game, the jk always seems to use it aggressively, not defensively

AND I would have the easy excuse of leaning hard into the idea that the no kill made the difference.

Would scum luke kill off his partner instead of going for jpeg day 3?

No. The idea of that actually terrifies me. I have never been solo scum in any game ever. I distinctly would rather if one of us goes down, it's me - and my partner looks good for it.

The funny thing is how true each of these statements are. I wanted to kill catboi both nights, but decided to listen to gm instead.

I was against the mass claim until enough people checked in that I no longer thought that the jk was on me.

And I very much wanted to set GM up to win instead of me riding it out solo

[Bellaphant]

?? Are you scum claiming??

[Bellaphant]

Was that meant to be in a PT?!?!?

[Lukewarm]

Was that meant to be in a PT?!?!?

Yeah...

I don't have it in me to try and fight my way out of that one.

Sorry everyone

I'm gonna go crawl in a hole and die now

VOTE: Lukewarm

[Lukewarm]

Jesus Christ, I felt like I had been doing so well this fucking game.

I could cry

[Bellaphant]

Why are you all asleep.

If that was Luke losing the game then this sucks so hard for him.

[Lukewarm]

@Mod: I concede

[Bellaphant]

*hug* you did amazing. Elo was going to suck for you I think.

[Lukewarm]

@Everyone

I am very incredibly sorry.

I feel like I cheapened this game by it ending this way :/

[Lukewarm]

*hug* you did amazing. Elo was going to suck for you I think.

If you were the elim, it would have been hell, yeah

[Lukewarm]

I have literally never misposted. Like, scum or hood or mason chats. And I have been in several.

I am actually really upset by this to the point of feeling numb.

[Bellaphant]

I think you could only have Elimed catboi here, as even in elo I start from a much surer footing and syugar's responses to me felt more genuine. I'll ignore the implication idve been easily fooled

Like, there's no elo that's pleasant.



You did so well. I know this sucks.

[Lukewarm]

I think that I had a shot in both a bella+catboi+Luke elo or a bella+syugar+luke elo.

But doesn't matter now

[Lukewarm]

On the other hand, I felt that Luke's 1337 to 1442 were very reactionary, especially the I, 2, 3 ???? 4 Luke is scum bit. It felt very different to how Luke had interacted with me and more similar to the bad faith way that syugars early push on Luke felt, which felt like flinging anything against a wall.

However, 1343 and 1344 feel a lot more town. But we go back to 1352 that feels reactionary again.

What I'm trying to work out is, what changes? It seems fairly obvious though , on reflection, that Luke respond to conflict with more conflict. See: the fuck off interaction with catboi. I think I'm predisposed to see 'aggresion'/'hyperactiveness' as scummy, and reasonable as town. This is a me problem.

Like, I definitely had a shot if you and I made it to ELO

[Lukewarm]

Anyways, gonna go crawl in that hole now

[Cat.Jpeg]

Damn, you had me fooled, although a lot of my read on your slot was from Goldfish leaving the game which I didn't think she would do as scum. Didn't mention that though because that is a horrible reason and I think you aren't supposed to use that as a reason anyway. In prior days I also thought you were very much town in your own right. I don't think you would've been able to eliminate syugar though. Look at the bright side, maybe you just saved yourself some suffering?

You also probably could've won with a Me, Lukewarm, Bella elo but that would need syugar/catboi eliminated today

[syugar]

@Mod: I concede

Dang haha

[Lukewarm]

I don't think you would've been able to eliminate syugar though

Yeah, I was not sure that I could elim syugar either.

I moved my vote to stall the bella wagon. I moved my vote, and also nudge syugar into moving his to me as well.

I expected us to creep up to deadline with:
me on syugar
bella on catboi
syugar and catboi on me


Then compromise onto catboi (because "voting bella

feels

like losing", and force you to chose between me and catboi.