Firstly: Thok thanks for PMing mith, I accept that it sucks to do that, but I appreciate it
Thok wrote:Oman wrote:Thok, with all due respect, I feel this is important enough to go over your head if you don't alert CJMiller's offensive Homophobia to mith by COB tomorrow. I'm sorry, its just the way I feel.
mith wrote:You should not make any post, or start any thread, with the intention of abusing, ridiculing, insulting, offending, or upsetting any other user on this site.
CJMiller didn't have the intention of abusing, ridiculing, insulting, offending, or upsetting any other users for being gay, but was rather reacting to a vaguely perceived attack on his own sexuality and self-image. If you can show me any users CJMiller was specifically intending to call out, then there's a complaint. I don't actually see any such users; he was only deriding the use of the word gay to describe him.
Sorry, but he doesn't have to have been targeting one person to offend people, in fact, I'd say that offending
an entire sub-group
would be much worse. Don't you understand, even if keep it within confines of this site (which is a little eh on my part, because I feel we should look at the big-picture perspective of homophobia), it is still an offensive comment to scream "NO! YOU CAN'T SAY I'M GAY" like it's something to be ashamed/disgusted about.
mith wrote:Whether or not Shea took offense isn't the point. The point is that I am tired of numerous threads on this site devolving into insult-wars.
Look at this, whether or not a single person takes offence isn't the point. The point is it was an insult (i.e. that being homosexual/bisexual is something to be angered/ashamed of).
mith wrote:Lots of you can trade insults all day and don't take offense. I get that. The problems come when those same users forget that not everyone has the same level of thick-skinned-ness, and when new users see the flames and think that it's SOP.
YOU might be thick-skinned enough to not worry about some guy offending your ethnic or cultural group, but remember that
not everyone is the same as you.
And we certainly don't want new users to see homophobia and think its SOP, on this site or anywhere!
mith wrote:Cayke's comment was over the line, IMO. I would have taken offense, had it been directed at me.
I would have taken offence, had it been directed at me or my sub-group, and if that is good enough for the last three people to get banned for less explosive, less lengthy, outbursts, aimed at less people, and offending less, then it should damn well be enough here! I don't know Thok, but if we're trying to make MS a better place, the least you could do is keep these kinds of slurs out.
And Hell, not that it matters, but (with respect) mith is included. How the hell does CJ walk away from that? This is disgusting. Again, with all respect due, this is the most biased I've ever seen you, and it really is disgusting.
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