In post 1950, RadiantCowbells wrote:I'm really trying not to just flame you here. I have some respect for the fact that you put effort into this game; if you learn from your mistakes you may become a skilled townie... but you have to acknowledge that claim was a mistake, and learn from it, or I've wasted my time talking and playing with you.
You're wasting my time talking to me then.
Did it turn out that the move was a mistake? Yes.
Would I do anything differently if that situation came up in the future? No.
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Aaaand we're done. If you can't learn from your mistakes, then you've entirely pissed my time down the drain this game, just as badly as Boonskiies.
When was the last time you won a town game, RC? When was the last time scum felt you were worth shooting when you hadn't claimed a power role? Or even when you were literally modconfirmed...
I'm now being nasty and hurtful, and I know it. This is what playing Mafia does to me now. But there's only one person who's been on the town team in every one of the many, many games you've lost, RC. Maybe, instead of blaming everyone else, you should look at yourself.
In post 1951, MonkeyMan576 wrote:I'd say the town was really only apathetic for maybe the last day. For the rest of the game, the town was fairly active as far as towns go. Lots of content posts, activity, etc. It just so happened scum played better.
It looked that way because I spammed the game and the mafia played pretty good towngames. I honestly believe that (at least) Elyse contributed more to town wincon than (at least) Boonskiies. If you take out my posts, those of the scum, and the noise, I don't know that it looks all that impressive.
I think I'm with RC though about the scummy nomination. They played well... but had they been pressured by the presence of a competent and experienced town-team, their play might well have looked not nearly so impressive. TheDudeAbides lurked hard for a lot of the game, for instance - if he had not been able to hide amongst Boon, Bellaphant and Mykonian, he would quite possibly have been caught. When three of the four (to be safe, including Mykonian) most experienced players, by FAR, in the game are all mafia, it is not suprising that they should take the game by storm. If they were newbies or players who hadn't been around for long who'd done this to a town (even this town), I'd be with you all the way, but...
In post 1957, MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I don't think Boonskies deliberatly sabotages his town games. I think he knows that it's beneficial in some instances to be difficult to read. A think a lot of players mistakingly take issue with players who don't play to their town meta, or don't have a town meta. Boonskies was more right about his reads than a lot of the players were. Now, he made it more difficult for himself to convince others of his reads by not appearing town, but I'm sure he'll realize that 2/3's of his games will be town and that might not be the best strategy. If it were me, I would adjust my scum game to fit my town game, not the other way around, but to each their own. I still feel like he was playing to his win condition, for the most part.
I won't go looking for the posts now, but I believe Boonskiies has explicitly stated that he alters his town games such that he can get away with things as scum, by pointing out times he's done it as town.
For all I know, Boonskiies flipped some coins to get his reads, and the fact that some of them hit scum was pure chance. He never explained ANYTHING about his scumread of Elyse, or Eektor for that matter. I don't even care how scummy he made himself look, if he'd posted SOME argument for that read, I'd have read it and evaluated it. I might even have been persuaded by it. But if he isn't even attempting to convince other players his reads are right with arguments to that effect, that's not him playing to his wincon, as far as I'm concerned.