Mobile Suit Gundam SEED Mafia - Game Over

[PeregrineV]

You comment on the most inane things.

How about you talk about your suspects.

Well, Levi for one.

And Nacho, although I am being persuaded somewhat by Beli's Nacho-townread.

I guess a quick playerlist view wont hurt.

kanyeknowsbest- want to think town, but saw Kayne demoslish both his scumbuddies in Arrested development mafia and then coast to the win. If the the town vig determines he is the best shot for the night, you would best be served answering the question "Why is Kayne town?" I have nothing stronger than "He's not very scummy", so leaving it to vig discretion.
Belisarius- flavor knowledge and sharing of it makes me think town. I know its fakeable, and scum can do it, but also got townvibes from earlier "statement thing". Readback not so much, but still going town for now.
Yraelz AGar- We'll see. Haven't read backplay yet.
PeregrineV- hardcore town.
leviathan93- scumreading for all the reasons I've said.
Kise Svenskt Stål StefanB- early scumread, townread from StefanB. We'll see what replacement says.
dopog Pyrotechnics- BP bodyguard claim. Sounds like the biggest load of horsehit, but considering this appears to be a "high-power" game, I can accpet for now. Now that Beli has full-claimed, might be a good idea for you too also so he can analyze your claim.
Sakura Hana EspeciallyTheLies- scum neighbors don't much want to lynch thier town counterpart. When Sakura wanted to, it was the following day after Levi failed in the QT. Especially the Lies said pretty much the same thing.
NachoKoopa- Suspect scum from activity, but mixed feelings from posts when read at the time, and readback.
Natirasha- claimed PR something, but pretty sure I jailkept him on a night with no kill. I think everyone complained it away, but still watching his votes/moves pretty closesly.
Kalimar Titus- Didn;t like the Mastin shot, but both players are presenting reasonable townliness. +town vig, so going town.

So, in summary
Town: Beli-me-Stefan-ETL-Titus

Leaving: Kayne- Agar-Levi-Pyro-Nacho-Nati

And yes, I know *claims*, but they were a long time ago and so without scrutinizing and interrogating (which I have time for neither at this point), you guys can stew down there.

Does this help?

pedit- So which case are you presenting as your reason for voting Titus?

[PeregrineV]

PV - Why I have trouble believing you stopped the kill is because I guarded Talah the night he was shot. Yes, Titus takes ownership of that shot, but why would scum roleblock me if they weren't planning to kill Talah?

Therefore either Titus is the Scum Joat with a strongman, but I'm having problem with him claiming the kill after I claimed I was bodyguarding him, or scum roleblocked me and killed Talah also.

I suppose they could have also shot at Natirasha that night and you saved him from a nightkill, but I don't buy that. I made it clear I was protecting Talah that night. I wasn't hit, therefore Strongman Titus, Strongman Scum, or Roleblock and Scum shot + Vig shot.

And quite frankly, the kanye discussion is moot. Either make a case and try to get him lynched, have fun with that or drop it and look for other suspects. I'm not letting Kanye get vigged and Nati will make sure I'm not roleblocked in the process.

In fact Titus should probably full claim actually.

Actually, I forgot about that weird jail keep thing, PV *might* not be scum. I don't know how he couldn't be, but he might just be blehtown.

It still doesn't make sense how he just happened to suddenly *get* a jailkeep power one day.

What's weird is he has this weird ass claim, oh I got a sudden jailkeep one night, and buys Titus' vig claim and has the nerve to call my claim a load of horseshit. And he's just blatantly not reading the game.

AS he would know I've already full claimed if he had bothered to read.

By play he's definitely scum, by that one weird claim he might not be though :/

This game started before Thanksgiviing break, and the only scum we've gotten has been courtesy of the SK who people spent 3 days trying to lynch instead of actually scumhunting. I made my point many times during that time, but it was ignored, but now that all of the screamers are gone, who is scum going to go after next?

The neighbors. They shoud be abel to swing a free mislynch in there, at least one, right?

So let's look at the votes:

Day 5 - Vote Count #9
kanyeknowsbest (0) -
Belisarius (0) -
AGar (0) -
PeregrineV (0) -
leviathan93 (4) - Belisarius, PeregrineV, Titus, NachoKoopa
StefanB (0) -
Pyrotechnics (0) -
EspeciallyTheLies (0) -
NachoKoopa (3) - kanyeknowsbest, EspeciallyTheLies, Pyrotechnics
Natirasha (0) -
Titus (2) - AGar, Natirasha
No lynch (0) -
Not voting (2) - StefanB, leviathan93

If Levi would be a free MISlynch, then why is the wagon so hard to build? Since I see 3 town on it, then scum would be elsehwere, correct?

Let's take you at your word you are town, then Kayne and ETL are voting Nacho, Agar and Nat are voting Titus.

Let's go back to day1 lynch.

Day 1 - Vote Count #65

DrDolittle

(11)

- Sakura Hana, Natirasha, leviathan93,

pieguyn

,

talah

,

Belisarius, PeregrineV

, NachoKoopa, kanyeknowsbest,

Titus, Pyrotechnics

pieguyn

(7)

-

Empking, Majiffy

, AGar,

waynegg, DrDolittle, ArcAngel9, Wake88

Empking

(1)

-

DeasVail

ArcAngel9

(1)

- Stefan

mastin2 - Kuzzey Buskirk, killed Day 1 by Titus
Mac ArcAngel9 - Natarle Badgiruel, killed Night 1 killed by piegyn-SK


Day2

Day 2 - Vote Count #29

pieguyn

(6)

-

Wake88, waynegg, Empking, Majiffy

,

Belisarius

, leviathan93

Svenskt Stål (1)

-

PeregrineV

Empking

(10)

-

Pyrotechnics

,

DeasVail

,

talah

, NachoKoopa, Natirasha,

pieguyn

, EspeciallyTheLies, Svenskt Stål,

Titus

, AGar

Wake88

(1)

- kanyeknowsbest

DeasVail - Shani Andras, pilot of the Forbidden Gundam, killed Night 2 by piegyn-SK


Day 3

Day 3 - Vote Count #35

pieguyn

(5)

-

Wake88

,

Belisarius

, EspeciallyTheLies,

waynegg

, leviathan93

leviathan93 (2)

- StefanB,

PeregrineV

Wake88

(9)

-

Titus

, kanyeknowsbest, Natirasha,

pieguyn

, AGar, NachoKoopa,

talah, Majiffy

,

Pyrotechnics

waynegg - Erica Simmons, killed Night 3 by piegyn-SK
talah - Mayura Labatt, pilot of the M1 Astray, killed Night 3 by scum


Day4

Day 4 - Vote Count #15

pieguyn

(7)

-

Titus, Belisarius

,

Majiffy

, AGar, leviathan93, kanyeknowsbest, StefanB

leviathan93 (1)

- EspeciallyTheLies

EspeciallyTheLies (1)

-

Pyrotechnics

Natirasha (1)

-

PeregrineV

Titus

(3)

-

pieguyn

, NachoKoopa, Natirasha

Majiffy - Asagi Caldwell, pilot of the M1 Astray, killed Night 4 by scum

Hmmmm.

@Tammy

- can you fill in your protects each night, and whether is used up a BP layer?

[PeregrineV]

All in all, I want a more clear nightaction summary before ruling out certain things.

Night3:

I jailkept Natirasha

[PeregrineV]

Do you know EmpKing targets?

[PeregrineV]

And whatever talah and Wake claimed too, if you have/know it off the top of your head.

[PeregrineV]

Empking noactioned night1, but his refresh powers were triggered.
There was no night kill night1 by scum.

[PeregrineV]

@Beli- Tell me flavor connection between:

Kira Yamato, Freedom Gundam, JOAT - Follow, Jailkeep, Vanilla mobile suit abilities. In addition once in the game something can happen to make all my slots will refresh themselves. That occurred at the end of day one. I didn't use anything yesterday due to a lack of decent targets.

PEdit: He was pushed to a claim, otherwise he'd have been lynched. Now scum and bad town are letting him live in order to kill other bad town.

and

Nacho, Stal claimed Korijo Murdoch. Given my lack of knowledge of Gundam, I googled it and came across the wiki. The character is a chief mechanic. That suggests he repairs or heals machines. Repairing machines suggests a doctor. Doctor shouldn't claim something that makes their role obvious. Stal is scum.

[PeregrineV]

I think Titus may be town. Let's check.

@Titus-

your Stal/Stefan scumread vanished entirely. Tell me about why.

[PeregrineV]

@Tammy- speculation on why no n1 scumkill.

[PeregrineV]

And did Majiffy have a claim?

[PeregrineV]

*shrug*

If I were scum, I'd probably no kill just to cause confusion. I didn't really read much of day one after the sk claim, but from what I did read people were arguing that he wasn't really an sk but was part of a faction, which they kept up arguing for. I knew he was a serial killer because of the ways our roles worked together, but some people doubted that.

Anyway, noone's said they blocked someone,so that's doubtful. Neither my or pieguy's bp shot got used. Could be a doc out there, I guess, but I would be surprised to see a full regular doctor with me in the game.

So, yeah, don't know. But, I'd have probably no killed for the confusion it would cause.

pedit: geezus. Majiffy was a one-shot watcher who hadn't until his death used it yet.

How do you possibly have a reads list if you legit have not read the game and have no clue what's going on. I haven't read about 200 pages of this game and have a clearer picture.

stop asking me questions that are in the game and read the damn thing.

This dialogue bothering you?

I read the game, and I re-read portions of it, but I'm not reading the whole thing again.

If you don't want to scumhunt together that's fine- but I feel like I'm narrowing the gap anyway.

[PeregrineV]

People Voting Titus, why is he scum?

Does anyone out there have a hard town read on titus, if so why?

I have a hard town read on Titus.

How hard?

As hard as my townread for you.

[PeregrineV]

Errrr, no, if one scum one town, scum knows town neighbor is town, offs town neighbor, one dead town neighbor looks like both neighbors town. Sends in to huge wifom spiral, easily rideable till endgame with good scum. Always assume scum is smart.

If one neighbor flipped town, why would I assume the other is town? I would actually assume the opposite.

ISO the two neighbors together (all the players) and come back with a more informed opinion.

[PeregrineV]

Titus wagon is bad. She is town.

[PeregrineV]

Well Pere, now would be a good time as any to explain your hard town read. I don't want us in possible Mylo here.

If I do, I may out a PR and take away some WIFOM from the the scum with my opinion. Should I do all that?

[PeregrineV]

Titus is vig.
Triphaine is doc.
Pyro most likely BP bodyguard
Beli is pretty much confirmed town
I am town.

Neighbors are either town-town, or scum-town. (I do not think there are scum-scum trying to pass off as neighbors).

If we leave those alone for now, it takes us to the realm of
NachoKoopa
Natirasha
AGar
kanyeknowsbest

[PeregrineV]

A glance at DV's iso has

Kayne

Townreads:
kanyeknowsbest

I think when kanye's scum he doesn't appear very town, whereas here he's pretty actively involved in scumhunting and what I'd expect from town-kanye.

Kanye isn't my strongest townread (I go through players by the list on the first page), and I also can't really explain it as well as I'd like for ~reasons~, so you'll just have to have that. Looking over things again, I think I may have been a bit complacent with the read there, but I still feel he's town.

Talah, I suspect that kanye pushing for vigging Nacho with his vote on me, after me challenging his vote on me, is less careful than what scum would do, but I'm not sure of my read on him right now.

Super town:
Kanye

[PeregrineV]

Titus is vig.
Triphaine is doc.
Pyro most likely BP bodyguard
Beli is pretty much confirmed town
I am town.

Neighbors are either town-town, or scum-town. (I do not think there are scum-scum trying to pass off as neighbors).

If we leave those alone for now, it takes us to the realm of
NachoKoopa
Natirasha
AGar
kanyeknowsbest

Tiphane did you claim doc?

If you are the doc (and you hadn't claimed), that most likely townfirms you Pere, Beli and myself.

My concern Pere is that doesn't explain how you know who is town and who isn't.

TD I picked up as doc, and I think he protected Wayne/Wake n1/2 (not sure of the order).

You pointed this out already. If you were scum, TD would already be dead, or at least roleblocked (yes this is a pratial reliance on Pyro-town).

Beli's extensive flavor knowledge and him NOT using it to manipulate the game makes me lean town.

Yes, there is some WIFOM here because he is now claiming Nacho strongtown through his flavor, but this is the first instance of a strong Nachowagon.

However, based on the Pyro-Pie flavor connection, flavor is NOT IRRELEVANT. Beli's coming across as town for appearing to help clarify those matters, when if he was scum he could be making more false connections.

[PeregrineV]

okay so you are posting pure opinion. killer.

Opinions, yes.

Also, conclusions I've reached based on what I read.

You should try it sometime.

[PeregrineV]

More Kanye-
DV as a scumread for Kanye- all day day1. Along with Nacho. Didn't find a good reason.

hey dv. i think you might be scum this game :<

also im still happy to lynch either dv or nacho as well.

vote dv

i wanna lynch dv.

vote dv

ill accept the drd lynch over a pie lynch if literally no one else in this entire game wants to lynch dv :<

dv pyro nach. id lynch dv and pryo in a heart beat, but im honestly not super confident on nacho, which is why ive only postured about lynching him as opposed to pushing hard for it or elaborating on why i think hes scum.

i dont like how the empking wagon materialized @ all but i cant tell if its because of scum influence or if its just a result of the frustration present in this game. similarly the kalimar and aa wagons were also real bad.

dv was giving me bad vibes early d1 and has done nothing to remedy that feeling ive been having abt him since

pyro has done nothing but be party to bad wagons. especially from tammy, i expect her to be a lot more opinionated in the midst of all. my current theory is that scum are quietly profiting from both sides of the argument over this sk shit. this unfortunately means that several of the louder more vocal and aggressive voices are most certainly town. (yes im probably voting town right now)

This during the Pyro argument.

why the hell would we wanna lynch dv??????


why the hell would we wanna keep the sk around???????



WOW GUYS GUESS WHAT

These and any further mentions of DV are merely Kanye saying "I told you DV was scum day1" over and over again.

vote nacho

fyi i flipped and said he was town because i figured that scum nacho would have been buddying the fuck out of me but dv flip takes all my doubts away i want him dead dead dead. im gonna go back and reerad his early dv defense and see if i keep thinkin this.

hey kanye you know how Grimgroove and I were trying to bus each other in your game?

do you think the interactions between DV and Majiffy on D1 were similar to that?

no Levi I'm saying DV and Majiffy are scum together read my post

i havent read back any of the dv stuff in light of his flip but i was scumreading dv @ the time and didnt catch it then so im gonna venture a probably not.

thats weird i remember begging you to lynch dv w. me d1 and you not havin ne of that. crazy.

im still pretty happy w. that course of action. now imagine where wed be if we had lynched dv d1 and you and your buds didnt fill the thread w. 150 pages of crying. crazy.

Kayne hasn't done jack all game. I don't know why you read him as town at all. He may agree with you but that's because you've been pushing the popular wagon.

He hasn't? He was pushing for me to look at DeasVail since day one, was deigning to actually try hunting in midst the SK business, etc.

He mentioned a scum and I didn't see much scumhunting from him during the SK business. Rather, he piled on wagons people were suggesting. It's a nice method for looking rosy no matter who winds up lynched. He hasn't actually pushed an original theory. DV was mostly pushed by Majiffy.

this may surprise you, but i was the first person to push both dv and nacho scum? and was also the strongest proponent of either? if youre gonna scum scramble for excuses to scumread me at least make some good ones.

[PeregrineV]

diont see how you think that td doctor implies tidus is town.

[Titus] pointed this out already. If [Titus] were scum, TD would already be dead, or at least role-blocked (yes this is a partial reliance on Pyro-town).

[PeregrineV]

DV iso of Agar

DV was calling Majiffy scum, but neglected to call anyone else scum for defending Majiffy or having a townread on him or people attacking his Majiffy case.

Also, similar to the DV townread of Kayne, Agar townread is more meta than anythign else.

~~

{Dead snipped}

Townreads:
kanyeknowsbest
Belisarius
AGar
leviathan93
Natirasha

Town with reservations:
PeregrineV
NachoKoopa

Leftover:
Kise
Pyrotechnics
Sakura Hana
Kalimar

~~

I'm worried about the leftover group being so small, but I feel pretty good about the townreads, and I think I'm actually being conservative with them if anything. A couple from the weak town group could probably even be in the higher one.

Things of note:

I agree with what Nacho (I think?) said about Belisarius not claiming the multiball thing as scum. It's just such an awkward thing for scum to do that I really think they'd avoid it. I also think his early game posting is pretty natural and not really caring about what people think of him.

Pie, look at AGar as scum in this game. Is it possible that their alignments are the same? I really don't think so.

AGar's play this game is either really genuine or really forced. How robotic he was in La-La Land makes me strongly lean towards genuine.
It's more the difference between the style of his posts (I don't feel the kind of scum player in La-La goes all capsrage as scum in another game).

Defedning Agar

Sorry Pie, I meant that I just said what I thought when I defended AGar. I suppose I felt pretty strongly that AGar was town and thought I'd share it.

Definitely not Beli or AGar. Emp and Kalimar would be ok I guess, but I don't have anything on them.

Why don't you want to lynch Majiffy today?

Then a short back and forth with Agar...

Why the fuck is everyone just fucking claiming?

One could say the same about wanting to lynch pie.

Let's consider the facts:

- He claimed unprovoked about having a killing role. This is admittedly a pretty strong role. He wasn't in danger of being lynched - the wagons were at 4:4 between me and him at the time of claim, or something close to that.
- Since the claim, he's remained focused on Majiffy, trying to throw and throw shit at Majiffy in hopes that it will stick.
- His entire basis of attacking Majiffy has been "You knew I was a vig all along, so you wanted me to claim." Um, what?
- The crumb tells me one of four things: he's an SK that wanted to have an out early on; he's scum on a team that views him as a weakness and had him put a weak crumb in early to maybe draw a CC; he's claiming on his own and got dumb-shit lucky; or he's the worst mafia player in the history of the world. He's the anti-Andrius of claiming. The first letter of the first two lines and then the last letter of the last line? Just doesn't even seem remotely believable to me.

You're missing some pretty important stuff, but it doesn't matter as long as he isn't lynched.

Scum shot pie night1

AGar, it's quite likely that scum were unable to 'deal' with pie last night.

The reasons for lynching pie are still pretty bad, but I can't be bothered arguing anymore.

My reads are looking something like this:

Super town:
Kanye
PeregrineV
Pyrotechnics
Sakura Hana
Natirasha
Titus

(I actually think this would be a pretty great townblock, but somehow I don't think people would want me in it, so...)

Then I've got a group of people who are kind of town, but I could still see as scum:
Belisarius (Probably should be in the group above, but I'm worried about his lack of posting lately)

AGar

Svenskt
Majiffy
Nacho

And then there's:
Wayne
Empking
Leviathan

[PeregrineV]

be a doll and point out where that happened cus i missed it.

Nacho, Stal claimed Korijo Murdoch. Given my lack of knowledge of Gundam, I googled it and came across the wiki. The character is a chief mechanic. That suggests he repairs or heals machines. Repairing machines suggests a doctor. Doctor shouldn't claim something that makes their role obvious. Stal is scum.

[PeregrineV]

DV's ISO- Finding Natirasha

The first mention comes up as town in the reads list. The first full paragraph, (in blue) mentions "buddying" Natirasha, when I can find no such occurrence.

Townreads:
kanyeknowsbest
Belisarius
AGar
leviathan93
Natirasha

Town with reservations:
PeregrineV
NachoKoopa

Leftover:
Kise
Pyrotechnics
Sakura Hana
Kalimar

The first thing that comes to mind is my mention of the fact that I buddied talah much more in response to Majiffy finding me scummy for buddying Natirasha. The fact that he did this in the first place was odd, possibly slightly scummy, but how he responds to it is much more scummy.

First, in 336, he makes this comment about me admitting to being scum buddying, ignoring the possible conflict that I present. And when I actually properly confront him about it, in 363 he says that it wasn't worth noticing (he's calling me scum for buddying and what I said to talah was as buddy-buddy as buddying gets, so of course it was worth noticing if he considers it a scumtell). I feel that town here would have some sort of reason for thinking my buddying of talah was irrelevant (I have no idea what though), or would say something along the lines of 'hey! you're scum for that too!', while I think this would be awkward for scum. I don't like the comment afterwards either, but I'm not sure if that's scummy or just me.

Similar to this is his response to my 303, using the fact that my reason sucked as a reason for why he thought that people were voting him for his lack of posts. Much more likely things imo would be that he just looked at the vote count and didn't read reasons for the votes, or just skimmed or something, but if town thinks that someone's reason sucked, they say it sucked, so this would not be a reason why someone would act confused as to why they were being voted for.

I also think the part about how I'm buddying being a scumtell is just a bad attempt to make his scumread more sophisticated.

Town/Not wanting to lynch any time soon:
Belisarius
AGar
Sakura Hana

Natirasha

Titus

Weaker town but still not that interested in lynching:
Kanye
PeregrineV
leviathan93
NachoKoopa

Leftover/scummy:
Svenskt
Pyrotechnics

Super town:
Kanye
PeregrineV
Pyrotechnics
Sakura Hana
Natirasha
Titus

(I actually think this would be a pretty great townblock, but somehow I don't think people would want me in it, so...)

Then I've got a group of people who are kind of town, but I could still see as scum:
Belisarius (Probably should be in the group above, but I'm worried about his lack of posting lately)
AGar
Svenskt
Nacho

And then there's:
Leviathan

Nati is probably one of my weaker 'super town' reads (but is still a pretty strong townread because by super I actually mean super), but I think that he's generally been quite town from things like his softclaim to his pushing of the DrDolittle wagon (scum could have easily just sat back and let town just continue in chaos because that's what pretty much everyone else was doing). There are also things like 3526 that are exactly what I felt like saying, so yeah, probably one of my less ~logical~ townreads, but I feel he's pretty town!

So, onto Nati's ISO to find the "buddying", or any mention of DV.

pieguy is pretty town, so I do wanna know what jiffy's thinking there though.

DeasVail's in my nullish-town too.

Mastin had voted DV a few posts before:

Little presence. Didn't like the Sakura vote, although he followed it up with reasoning. Mostly the whole "little presence" thing.

Why DeasVail?

Another Nati read.

I like jiffy, I'm neutralish on Deasvail, I reject Pyrotechnics from the 'townblock' until Syryana convinces me I shouldn't.

DV as town in a "town list"

pieguyn
leviathan93
Svenskt Stål
dopog Pyrotechnics (Tammy+Syryana)
NachoKoopa (Nachomamma8+Feirei)
DeasVail
talah
Natirasha

this is a town list. i am on it.

Also a town list because all of those people are town.

Majiffy makes Nati's "vig pool" along with DV

I'd say the kill pool for tonight is

{Empking, ArcAngel9, Majiffy, DeasVail}

Another mention of DV responding (attacking? defending?) a Majiffy (true) prediction.

{Empking, ArcAngel9, Majiffy, DeasVail}

The only one in this pool that will likely flip scum is DV.

Then when they bus redirect the kill away from DV, we got a free cop investigation on those three!

See! I can use jiffy logic too!

[PeregrineV]

PV spoiler that and give the TLDR please.

Nothing to spoil.

It is mentions/reads of DV on Agar, Natrirasha and Kayne.

Conversely, I also tried to show where any of them had listed reads on DV.

Since I think scum lies in there, I find much of the reads/back-and-forth between DV and those 3 suspect.

I'm pointing out what it was. You need to look it over and see...do you reach the same conclusion?

tl;dr=This is already the short form for each.

[PeregrineV]

Tldr me and kanye are hugely connected to DV.

Are you?

Let's discuss.

Remember that time she buddied you really hard (459)?

Talk about that.

[PeregrineV]

pv do you think that scum dv is unlikely to buddy the fuck out of what he views as strong town (and difficult to lynch) players?

I saw scum DV only once- Street Racers, and I knew it pretty quickly- he lurked hard.

If Dv were likely to buddy strong town players, then his Majiffy tunnel was unexpected.

But as to his scumgame, I only had the one with him.

[PeregrineV]

this is my first time seeing scum dv so thats an actual question. the only sample point i have is knowing that he buddied the fuck out of me but i dont know if its because of the scenario laid out in my previous post or that in addition w. the fact that i was scumreading him out of the gate?

i tried to get resident dv meta expert nachion mama to discuss dv w. me earlier and he was not very forthcoming

My biggest issue with your Dv scumread was

Where did it come from? It was never reasoned out, it just appeared and stayed, until it left, then you pointed to why you were not scum with DV after he died.

Considering I think you are capable of bussing your entire scumteam (Arrested Development), you being "magically" right about scum-DV all game while also voting Wake, Pie, and the vigbaits does not fill me with confidence about town-Kayne.

In addition to that above, if you remove yourself from the "rest" list I made, who is in the wrong spot?

[PeregrineV]

I really really dislike other people deciding that the Sven/Stephan/Tiphane slot is just the doctor without actually reading that slot/asking him to claim.

Why was there no night1 kill?

So scum has no nk?

We had a total of one nk, by a claimed SK.

dont vote wayne, wayne might be wrong but he is towny as fuck

I read this as protect on Wayne.

night2?

If i am cop i have inno on wake and wany, dont vote them

I read this as n2 protect on Wake.
But, you claimed this:

Night Two - Talah, one shot of bp used.

Also why is Titus confirmed town for not killing the presumed doctor when the scum team obviously have a roleblocker.

If they roleblocked you

Night Three - Talah, no bp used. (Since he died, it's either strongman or roleblock.)

then if they knew about the doc, they would shoot the doc.
Titus "knew" since 2065 (day1).

I mean if you think Titus is definitely town, then scum roleblocked me. Which means they have a roleblocker and they could easily roleblock whatever role they want in order to kill the role that would be more dangerous to them, ie gunsmith, watcher.

Which they did. They RBed you, killed Talah.

Your theory sounds poorly thought out.

Do tell why.

Which person or persons is in the wrong spot?

[PeregrineV]

Tldr me and kanye are hugely connected to DV.

Are you?

Let's discuss.

Remember that time she buddied you really hard (459)?

Talk about that.

I thought that was the direction you were taking that post, yeah. I thought he was pretty town, honestly, but I'm easily fooled at times, especially with players I'm unfamiliar with.

I was thinking more like you pointing out the posts where DV buddied you.
You both seemed to think it happened.

If Tiphaine is the doc, I still don't see how that's a town claim. If Titus flips town, I'd actually say a scum doc is more likely(and the converse).

Lack of kill n1 perhaps?

[PeregrineV]

Pere should actually full claim to clear up where he got a surprise jailkeep on day three or whenever he got it.

His convoluted theory about Titus might make him town though.

Still think Titus' stupid shot on Talah and claiming it right away makes her more likely town.

Have a town read on Nat and Kanye

Can we lynch Nacho?

VT actually. But if we get the Inventor to claim, we put another person on the town list.
Good job!

Why Nacho? What about Beli's Nacho plea?

[PeregrineV]

I think PV is just blatantly wrong, but some of his logic is very flawed I think

Pointing out those logic flaws would actually help correct them.

[PeregrineV]

yeah not liking 6354 from titus either, lynchity lynchity lynch.

Are you saying you think Titus is a scum vig?

[PeregrineV]

Alright, time to throw a spanner in the works of this wagon.
I can pretty much prove I'm town. I'm an x-shot DayVig.

I was contemplating waiting on this because I simply haven't had time to read this game properly. However, I've found mastin's push on me dodgy from the start and I've had a gut bad feeling there all game. I'm usually pretty good at detecting inauthentic pushes.

Avada Kevadra, fire and brimstone, death to all interlopers, etc. etc.

Kill: mastin2

Day 1 - Vote Count #40

DrDolittle (0)

-

kanyeknowsbest (0)

-

Belisarius (0)

-

waynegg (0)

-

pieguyn (2)

- AGar, Empking

AGar (0)

-

PeregrineV (0)

-

leviathan93 (0)

-

Svenskt Stål (2)

- PeregrineV, mastin2

Empking (0)

-

Majiffy (1)

- leviathan93

Pyrotechnics (0)

-

Sakura Hana (1)

- Matias

NachoKoopa (1)

- kanyeknowsbest

DeasVail (1)

- Majiffy

Matias (0)

-

ArcAngel9 (0)

-

talah (2)

- Belisarius, waynegg

Natirasha (0)

-

mastin2 (0)

-

Kalimar (9)

- talah, pieguyn, DeasVail, NachoKoopa, Svenskt Stål, Sakura Hana, Pyrotechnics, DrDolittle, Natirasha

No lynch (0)

-

Not voting (2)

- ArcAngel9, Kalimar

...

The defense units were forced to regroup near the center of Heliopolis, as the invading mobile suits spread out into an attack formation. Bursts of gunfire and intermittent explosions interrupted what was otherwise a silent battlefield, as the civilians had long been evacuated to the designated shelters.

"Stay in defensive positions," came a voice over the comm unit. "Don't get picked off, just let them come to us." Despite multiple exchanges of artillery fire and missile volleys, the battle appeared to be a stalemate for a long period.

Suddenly, a large burst of energy came raining down from above, creating a huge blast wave as several nearby units were wiped out. "Where did that come from?" someone asked. "Damage report!"

Fortunately, the damage was not catastrophic, although mastin2 was caught in the blast. The defensive units quickly closed around his former position. A new burst of gunfire from the invaders got their attention again, as the battle continued...

---

mastin2 was

Kuzzey Buskirk

, aligned with the

Town

, killed Day 1.

Day 1 - Vote Count #41

DrDolittle (0)

-

kanyeknowsbest (0)

-

Belisarius (0)

-

waynegg (0)

-

pieguyn (0)

-

AGar (0)

-

PeregrineV (0)

-

leviathan93 (0)

-

Svenskt Stål (0)

-

Empking (0)

-

Majiffy (0)

-

Pyrotechnics (0)

-

Sakura Hana (0)

-

NachoKoopa (0)

-

DeasVail (0)

-

Matias (0)

-

ArcAngel9 (0)

-

talah (0)

-

Natirasha (0)

-

Kalimar (0)

-

No lynch (0)

-

Not voting (20)

- DrDolittle, kanyeknowsbest, Belisarius, waynegg, pieguyn, AGar, PeregrineV, leviathan93, Svenskt Stål, Empking, Majiffy, Pyrotechnics, Sakura Hana, NachoKoopa, DeasVail, Matias, ArcAngel9, talah, Natirasha, Kalimar

20 votes available
11 votes needed to lynch

Deadline: (expired on 2013-10-23 11:46:30)

Titus replaces Kalimar.

[PeregrineV]

I played a scum 1-shot dayvig
Subject: Mini 1419: First Time Mafia (Game over!)

Welcome to

Mini 1419: First Time Mafia

, PeregrineV!

###

You are a

Mafia Day 1 Dayvig

.

You have the following special abilities:
>

Converse

: When allowed, you may speak with the other members of your faction in your private QuickTopic.
>

Kill

: During the Night, any one member of your faction may target a player with this ability to kill them.
>

Daykill

: During Day 1 only, you may target any one player to kill them by posting

Daykill: <player>

in thread. You may not use this ability if the battery deadline is below 50%. If successful, the votecount will be reset.

Your Win Condition is as follows:
>>> You win if at least one

Mafia aligned

player is alive and all other players are dead (or if nothing can prevent the same).

###

You must confirm by replying to this PM.

The game thread is here. Good luck, and have fun!

[PeregrineV]

Nati is a roleblock preventer. So what? NAR has Nati dead.

Where was this claim?

[PeregrineV]

I've said it multiple times, PV. I'm Lacus Clyne, strong-willer/motivator/anti-rollblocker.

So the players you target can't be stopped?

[PeregrineV]

@TD

- Go ISO Sakura, Levi, and Especially, then come back and report.

[PeregrineV]

You mean beyond quoting your entire posts?

Your logic:

a) Concludes Titus knew Stal was a doc (which he wasn't).

Scum motivation for pointing out thinking a doc exists and then not shooting it.

b) That scum would find a doc in a slot that was pretty possible lynchbait or a possible target for Pie's shot as a valuable target.

The slot has had 4 players, there has never been more than 2 votes on him at a time. Why would you think he's lynchbait?

c) That because one player wasn't able to dictate a scumkill, that confirms him as town.

Who is this referring to?

Also, why are you not voting Levi? (373)

[PeregrineV]

This is a bus post!

mod I fucked up my bold tAgs before, but I'm v/la until the 23rd.

Not mu h new to say.

Town: nat. Kanye

Pro Stowe: Titus, beli, prrev

If one is scum the other is town: etl/ Levi (not sold on Sakura town thing though)

That leaves agar, Td & nacho.

Lets lynch nacho.

I doubt you are claiming scum here Pyro? What is a bus post?

Phone post while riding the bus?

[PeregrineV]

About 15 hours remaining.

[PeregrineV]

Probably a good idea.

DO we know who Pyro protected?

[PeregrineV]

I actually think Nacho is actually town(?) here and Levi is scum.

My starting vote will be for

Vote: EspeciallytheLies

until I iso Titus.

[PeregrineV]

Unvote.

[PeregrineV]

21 players, 1 SK, 2 flipped scum.

Thinking 3 left. Agree/disagree?

[PeregrineV]

Kind of want to hear a 3 person list of "most likely remaining scum".

[PeregrineV]

16 players is usually 12town+4 scum
20 players = 15town+5 scum
21 players makes sense as 15+5scum+SK

[PeregrineV]

I dunno, were a pretty low-powered town from what I've seen(lots of conditional 1-shots) and if DV is any indication, scumteam is stacked a bit.

My top three for scum though are

Levi
You
TD

With Nacho as the fourth.

k, thx.

[PeregrineV]

Happy New Year!

Will catch up later today.

[PeregrineV]

I am waiting on PV, after he has responded to my start of day question I will claim, and likely vote, in my next post.

The question of why was Levi killed?

Initially, I'll admit I have no clue. He has been mislynchable the entire game, so killing him makes the absolute least sense out of any players.

But, that's just an excuse, and I think we can find the reason if we dig.

I'll work on that, but let me know if you want more answer before you do your thing.

As for claiming, I'll go last.

[PeregrineV]

Probably two, at least one of which (Clotho) is a mobile suit pilot. We can't be sure there are any non-pilot scum left.

For this reason, I think optimal play would be to lynch amongst the pilots; I'd like everyone to sound off on that idea during or immediately after massclaim, as long as it's before a hammer is dropped.

For the alive list, can you identify which has a suit/does not based on claims?

kanyeknowsbest
Belisarius

Yraelz

AGar
PeregrineV - has a suit

Kise Svenskt Stål StefanB

TiphaineDeath

Sakura Hana

EspeciallyTheLies
Natirasha

[PeregrineV]

If you're willing to give actual analysis before I proceed I would love some before I go slamming votes on people, however that's plenty for a claim.

I'm Kojiro Murdoch

No standard or Mobile Suit abilities.

Next!

Here's the thing. Why kill the one player who has been heading towards lynchville the whole game?

I know why I get avoided- I suck in lylo, so unless I got lucky in a previous game against you, most people want me around to either be the mislynch, or make the wrong choice.

So for Levi, it was either something he said, or maybe something he said (in the QT).

@ETL- what did you talk about last night?

I'm a girl- Cagalli Yula Athha.

[PeregrineV]

I'm with Beli in that we probably have one suit left and one non suit left, probably.

Which puts the game into two factions.

Etl/Me/Beli/TD(?)
Kanye/AGar/PV

TD claims no suit but we'll see.

Which lines up with my spec of PV/TD.

Anyways, I want PV to go next and no I don't care if I'm you're softing role info.

Softing?

[PeregrineV]

Yes actually I would, the re-read I just did, as I said somewhere in that bigass wall, reinforces my theory that Kanye is town. I don't think I will be voting for him this game, pretty much under any circumstances.

Kayne doublebussed all the way to the win here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... t=Arrested so while I respect that stance, I can't fully endorse it.
(Yes, the game is mostly missing, but the endgame was Kayne coasting to victory after bussing both his teammates. Ask him.)

[PeregrineV]

Did anyone read my wall? If not go do so, I detailed it there .

I did, and your reason for Levi being killed seemed to only account for his relationship with EtL.

But, Levi was pretty surely going to be lynched, so there has to be more to it.

[PeregrineV]

Where is PV.

=//

Here.

[PeregrineV]

I was hoping to get more from it, but it's probably not going to be possible.

Name:
Cagalli Yula Athha

Suit:
Strike Rouge Gundam

Abilities:
Salvage- I can target a dead player who wears a suit and I might get something from them.

n1: Salvage Mastin- Nothing
n2: Salvage EmpKing (JK)
n3: JK Natirasha
n4: Salvage talah (Gunsmith)
n5: Gunsmith Nacho (yes, he can kill)
n6: Salvage pieguyn (II)

To have any useful results, I'd have to successfully salvage tonight, then use then n8. I now think that is less likely to happen if Levi was the best scum kill choice.

[PeregrineV]

kanyeknowsbest - has a suit (investigation result)
Belisarius - does not have a suit
Yraelz AGar - has a suit (investigation result)
PeregrineV - has a suit (investigation result)
Kise Svenskt Stål StefanB TiphaineDeath - unknown (don't remember a claim, did not scan)
Sakura Hana EspeciallyTheLies - Miraillia Haw, has no suit (per claim, did not scan)
Natirasha - Lacus Clyne, has no suit (claim + investigation result confirms it)

Those who claim no suit are also claiming characters who did not pilot mobile suits in the series.

I believe ETL.

Based on the flips so far, it would be insane to believe Clotho is not in the game, so I'm not interested in lynching any non-pilots until Clotho is dead. The 3 flipped scum + Clotho + Rau = 5 anti-town players out of 21 initially, so I could believe that Clotho's flying solo right now.

I'll scan TD tonight; if I'm shot, it'll confirm all of my investigation results, so you'll be pretty well informed tomorrow. If I'm not, well, at least I'll know whether TD could be Clotho, but the rest of you have to consider the possibility I might be scum taking you for a ride.

Based on flavor crap, want to lynch Natrirasha. She has powers while having no suit, according to her, and so far all non-suited players who have flipped town have been VT.

Of course, same is said of Beli.

[PeregrineV]

Dead thread shoutout to Mastin, since your list was day1 and all:

Majiffy, you do realise that you've done far more discrediting than pie has, right?

Scum.

{

DV

, Sven,

Pie

,

Kalimar

, ?AGAR?} scumteam? (Need to check math; need to check interactions.)

Let's reorder for ease of reading:

TOWN:
Sakura Hana

PeregrineV

Natirasha
Belisarius

talah

pieguyn

waynegg
leviathan93

Matias

NachoKoopa

Majiffy

DrDolittle

AGar

Empking

NULL:

Pyrotechnics

kanyeknowsbest

ArcAngel9

SCUM:
Svenkst Stal

DeasVail
Kalimar

Approximately.
Help me iron it out. And more importantly, lynch the scum I already have.

[PeregrineV]

kanyeknowsbest - has a suit (investigation result)
Belisarius - does not have a suit
Yraelz AGar - has a suit (investigation result)
PeregrineV - has a suit (investigation result)
Kise Svenskt Stål StefanB TiphaineDeath - unknown (don't remember a claim, did not scan)
Sakura Hana EspeciallyTheLies - Miraillia Haw, has no suit (per claim, did not scan)
Natirasha - Lacus Clyne, has no suit (claim + investigation result confirms it)

Those who claim no suit are also claiming characters who did not pilot mobile suits in the series.

I believe ETL.

Based on the flips so far, it would be insane to believe Clotho is not in the game, so I'm not interested in lynching any non-pilots until Clotho is dead. The 3 flipped scum + Clotho + Rau = 5 anti-town players out of 21 initially, so I could believe that Clotho's flying solo right now.

I'll scan TD tonight; if I'm shot, it'll confirm all of my investigation results, so you'll be pretty well informed tomorrow. If I'm not, well, at least I'll know whether TD could be Clotho, but the rest of you have to consider the possibility I might be scum taking you for a ride.

Based on flavor crap, want to lynch Natrirasha. She has powers while having no suit, according to her, and so far all non-suited players who have flipped town have been VT.

Of course, same is said of Beli.

you didnt think about this very hard did you

Which part? The who i want to lynch?

[PeregrineV]

PV: Nacho had a confirmed night action without a suit as well.

What was that? Post#?

I know he could kill, but I put that to him being mafia.

[PeregrineV]

putting aside nacho, you have even more recently the leviathan flip. its very clear at this point that the only difference between suit/no suit is that suits show up positive to belis ability and are also role reveal upon death while no suits are no reveal.

kanyeknowsbest- Vengeful townie
Belisarius- Suit cop
Yraelz AGar- Non-consecutive commuter
PeregrineV- Weak backup
Kise Svenskt Stål StefanB TiphaineDeath- was there a claim here?
Sakura Hana EspeciallyTheLies - neighbor
Natirasha - enabler

Does this seem right?

If so, which seems least likely?

[PeregrineV]

@Beli- same as above, but using your flavor stuff.

[PeregrineV]

He could send private messages--both me and kanye got them.

So you think he was only 2 shot? Or he just didn't bother sending any messages to anyone else? (up to 4 others).

[PeregrineV]

PV & Agar, what do you think of kanye's claim?

I think that he could have claimed, earlier in the game, any number of things to draw the NK to him, and thus take out scumteam member.

You should ask him why he did not do this.

[PeregrineV]

If there are two scum left I'm gonna go ahead and call nati/agar.

TiphaineDeath (2) - Natirasha, AGar

C'mon here.

[PeregrineV]

The worst part is there are three flipped scum, and not a single person has pointed to any interactions between living players and the three flipped scum. Why is that?

[PeregrineV]

I got some connections in my wall, they were there, why does no one read my shit Q_Q.

So what was Nacho's stance on Agar?

DV's stance on Kayne?

Titus stance on Natirasha?

[PeregrineV]

Why don't you be useful and go check PV, instaid of telling other people to, also DV means shit because sk.

Because I always do it and am ignored or wrong.

Out of 6 other players, does anyone else want to do it?

Why not you, since you seemed interested in the whole "Levi was killed because A) or B)".

[PeregrineV]

Also agreeing, off the top of my head 6863 is pretty accurate.

[PeregrineV]

4 days left. I'll look for any interactions I can find, but I'm still annoyed with everyone.

[PeregrineV]

Can we just string up TD and work from there?

Yes, but if you are scum with anyone but him, I think we lose. So, let's do due diligence first.

[PeregrineV]

Ok.

Pick 3 people you are not willing to lynch.

You got me. I'm suspicious of each and every person.

If the right REAL case is presented, I'd jump on that faster than a fat kid on candy.

FYI, TD, your 6749 does not fall into that category.

[PeregrineV]

Back to work tomorrow, so thread review will happen then.

[PeregrineV]

Majiffy I know you're better than this, and your whole "Why would I get you lynched when I could NK you" sucks, there's 2 claimed PRs that I remember, and you obviously want to lynch one and NK the other, so you get rid of 2 PRs in 1 day.

Let's let scum work hard to get rid of the PRs shall we?

Unvote
Vote: Majiffy

Can't believe you're lynching a claimed Vig, because they MAY be SK/Scum. AtP much?

Sakura calling out Majiffy when Pie claimed vig.

This doesn't sound like a Kalimar/Titus scumbuddy who knows that Kalimar/Titus may claim vig in the future.

[PeregrineV]

Nacho - Talk to me about Jiffy because I'm not seeing it. I'm not well-versed in his scum game, but he doesn't feel anything like he did in Syryana's game.

His interactions with me feel horrible, and I don't think that I've ever sorted him any other way. I don't like how he continually brushes me off this game; we usually play off each other a bit when we are both town. He ascribes the weird interactions to him trying to sort me out in the mollie/ffery way yet called me "lurker ScumCho" (mollie/ffery never sort me out based on "lurking"). I called that out for being bullshit, pointed out that all the times they've successfully sorting me on ms, it's never been because of that. Majiffy said he'd ask for links, but it seems strange he wouldn't have a specific game in mind, and he sure as hell isn't going to ask for links.

I just got done playing with a scum jiffy who was arguing for me being scum when I was a near universal town read.

He didn't make an attempt to mislynch you until you were both in LyLo together, and seemed pretty happy to get the free SD mislynch even though he still pretty clearly thought you were scum.

Theres nothing illogical in that post, and if you think there is its becausd you're bringing your prejudices from later in the game.

I have no idea what this is supposed to mean.

Vote: AGar

This was Nacho's vote on Agar after Pieguyn and talah vote Agar.

Is third on the wagon too early to bus? Especially that early in the game day1?

[PeregrineV]

Day 1 - Vote Count #40
DrDolittle (0) -
kanyeknowsbest (0) -
Belisarius (0) -
waynegg (0) -
pieguyn (2) - AGar,

Empking

AGar (0) -
PeregrineV (0) -
leviathan93 (0) -
Svenskt Stål (2) - PeregrineV,

mastin2

Empking (0) -
Majiffy (1) -

leviathan93

Pyrotechnics (0) -
Sakura Hana (1) - Matias
NachoKoopa (1) - kanyeknowsbest
DeasVail (1) -

Majiffy

Matias (0) -
ArcAngel9 (0) -
talah (2) - Belisarius,

waynegg

Natirasha (0) -
mastin2 (0) -
Kalimar (9) -

talah, pieguyn

,

DeasVail, NachoKoopa

, Svenskt Stål, Sakura Hana,

Pyrotechnics, DrDolittle

, Natirasha
No lynch (0) -
Not voting (2) -

ArcAngel9

,

Kalimar

[PeregrineV]

In a game this large, I'd think scum would feel safer being on town wagons primarily on D1, since they can be lost in the crowd/confusion. Wagon analysis can certainly point to them, but more accurately with multiple D1 wagons. I wasn't around D1, but I can take a look at the VCs and post what I see, if someone is willing to look at it and give D1 impressions with it. It will have to be after work today.

31 hours left.

[PeregrineV]

Currently excluding Agar and EtL from my lynch choices for today, reasons given above.

[PeregrineV]

@Nati-

Who was your night 5 and night 6 targets?

[PeregrineV]

Depends on if there are one or two left.

If there's one, it's a suit pilot. If there are two, there's one of each.

PV and Agar's play today has been pinging my towndar like mad, so if it's not TD, my second choice would be you. My second choice doesn't matter, though, because that's not a lynch I can pull off, not without a hell of a lot more skill than I have.

I haven't ruled out a Kayne lynch.

Do you have posted evidence about why he is/might be scum?

Skill required is reading and telling me what to read.

[PeregrineV]

PoE based on flavor I barely get isn't enough for me to lynch right away.

Anything thread- or post-based?

[PeregrineV]

Vote: Tiphaine

Since I probably won't make it back before deadline.

[PeregrineV]

We've full-claimed.

PV, what happened last night for you?
Beli, who did you scan last night?

I commuted like I planned to. No one objected, so I figured it was the best course of action. WCS type deal.

Nothing. I tried Titus hoping for a dayvig, but it said I got nothing.

Current intent in to vote Kayne. maybe Beli.

[PeregrineV]

i swear to god pv if i hadnt lynched you previously for horribly suboptimal night actions only to have you flip town....

It was a great action and the only choice. Was hoping I could shoot our way to a town win.

Any other role would be collected last night, used tonight. I don't think there is enough time left for it to be useful. And that would be assuming I got something.

[PeregrineV]

Current intent in to vote Kayne. maybe Beli.

How many scum do you think are left?

21 players would make me say 5.

the SK is the tricky part, some mods count that as scum, others don't.

We are either 3-2 or 4-1.

[PeregrineV]

wow. have to agree- even I saw it that way at first glance.

[PeregrineV]

I'm older than all of you.

lol doubt it.

[PeregrineV]

Hm. That's pretty damning tbh...

I wanna hear what PV has to say.

Nothing to say.

I waited to see who would vote for who with the knowledge that Nacho was scum.

No one was voting, so I voted you.

TD voted you, I unvoted.

Then, as if by a miracle, everyone piled onto Nacho and lynched him within 2 pages.

vote nacho

VOTE: nacho

Yeah, my gut got me titus, Ima keep following it, VOTE: nacho

wow. was NOT expecting titus to be scum at all...i completely got fooled on that one. Thanks kanye for the push. really sure that kanye is not scum at all at this point. i know he could have thrown a partner under the bus for town confirmation, but in this case I kind of doubt it.

ETL is still VERY much town, because of sakura.
Agar is town, because he just is. =/
kanye is town
i know i'm town and hopefully because since titus and I were the wagons yesterday and titus turned out to be scum, that that helps people see me as town.

still on nacho. VOTE: nacho

PV is town. I am NOT shooting him.

I will shoot ETL or Kanye.

ETL is a bad vote

Titus was unwilling to shoot Levi

or

Nacho, and both of them got rule of three'd repeatedly by Titus yesterday. I'm still convinced Levi and Nacho can't be scum together, and WIFOM notwithstanding, the NK points to scum trying to kill the people who want to kill Nacho.

VOTE: NachoKoopa

The only people not voting Nacho were me & Agar. Which kind of makes me think Agar=scum, but since that was the fastest lynch the entire game, the whole thing game me no information.

[PeregrineV]

no quickhammer yet. either the team is pv + 1 of etl/agar or theres only one scum (pv)

Interestingly enough, the same logic works where you are the last scum.

The quickest way to see this is to compare your play this game.

For example, you came up with a reason to vote me. It uses some wrong assumptions, and reaches the wrong conclusion, but it shows a level of effort and logical thinking on your part that, frankly, was surprising.

Granted, I have to go back and ISO your posts, but unless I'm mistaken, this is the first case you've made this game in over 551 posts.

I'll have to see why this burst of trying on your part.

[PeregrineV]

@kayne-browbeating isn't very becoming. And my post was spot on. When I go back and look for your "other cases" we can discuss it in more detail.
Or, since you made so many this game you could be helpful and point us to the posts where you did it.
Not only would it help, but it'll prove you weren't bussing.

[PeregrineV]

Day 4 - Vote Count #10

kanyeknowsbest (0)

-

Belisarius (0)

-

pieguyn

(3)

-

Titus,

Belisarius,

Majiffy

AGar (0)

-

PeregrineV (0)

-

leviathan93

(1)

- EspeciallyTheLies

StefanB (0)

-

Majiffy (0)

-

Pyrotechnics (0)

-

EspeciallyTheLies (1)

-

Pyrotechnics

NachoKoopa

(1)

-

StefanB

Natirasha

(1)

- PeregrineV

Titus

(5)

-

pieguyn

, kanyeknowsbest,

NachoKoopa

,

Natirasha, leviathan93

No lynch (0)

-

Not voting (1)

- AGar

13 votes available
7 votes needed to lynch

ETL, what are you doing? We can get Levi tomorrow. Levi is being opportunistic. I am already at L minus two where scum can quickhammer if they are not on the wagon already. The Pie wagon needs to counter. Look at the wagon. Lurker central plus Pie. Well Nati isn't lurker central but she will be for awhile.

Looking through and found this.

If Titus is "speculating" that she is at L-2 and can be quickhammered, "if they are not on the wagon already".

The L-2 speculates 2 scum left (the 2 that could hammer her). ONe of the those was Nacho.

This means one scum left.

The "they are not on the (Titus) wagon already" is more intriguing, since pie was known SK, and the other two flipped town.

The appealing to EtL part is also interesting. It could be termed coaching, but in that case EtL is not being a very good scum-team player.

I am going after my first solid scum read titus what are you doing.

[PeregrineV]

Agar, what makes you think 2 scum left? Numbers with an SK suggests 4 starting scum, not three.

Nati, I don't shoot lynchbait! [broken record plays]

Would Titus argue with her scumbuddy about this when the scum-WIFOM thing to do would be to agree with the 3 number (DV, Titus, Nacho)?

[PeregrineV]

I am off for the night. Good night everyone.

ETL,there is no reason other than comforting me before backstabbing but I saw it coming.

Also, read the 10 posts before this. Titus is talking about backstabbing. Her flipping scum means she's feeling betrayed.

[PeregrineV]

There's a lot of psots out there to go through. Anyone else have any luck finding anything?

@Kayne- you got that case list yet?