SAGA FRONTIER MAFIA (GAME END)

[Sensei]

You did not just say abr is town for having a lot of posts..

Nope, not the amount, the frequancy and content of them.

The way he engaged the game.

That makes more sense.

[Sensei]

was the top poster and was scum. we still won tho. metal was spammy and fully engaged.

That's metal sonic, though.

[Sensei]

Apples and oranges is all I'm sayin'

[Sensei]

All of this meh I guess cooldogs town and then lame votes and/or not a vote elsewhere or people flat out ignoring it altogether given the gamestate right now leads me to believe that people in the know may not care to be associated with this lynch.

-sensei's random moonlogic thoughts that should probably be ignored-

[Sensei]

Before I sleep I have a question

Want to go for the safer low reward plan which is useful or the high risk plan which can net us one scum most likely if it is a success or even more .?

Go hard or go home.

[Sensei]

Meh. It happened a while ago at a time when I wasn't the townest. But you're probably right.

[Sensei]

Diamond who would your second wagon be?

[Sensei]

but the fact that they weren't used to strengthen a wagon makes it slightly more likely that they're town powers, unless they have limitations on when they may be used.

yea no - they could very well be used for something else - secret votes are boring and useless if they're just votes
varsoon isn't boring

also you wanna like scumhunt a bit or something?
like you call dgbs posts useless and here you are posting drivel about setup

[Sensei]

No wait. DGB is voting you. So her.

That vote is likely lag.

She seemed caught up to me earlier.

[Sensei]

Where is the anger coming from, sentinal?

[Sensei]

It is pretty intriguing how split the MC votes are. But look at it from my POV - town is getting put in for sure. It has nothing to do with ego.

[Sensei]

I'm probably one of the least egotistical people in this game. Which isn't really saying much but still. hehe

[Sensei]

Pip did you notice errants vote on you this page?
How did that vote make you feel?

[Sensei]

Sensei do you know what it's like to feel used by people who don't have your best interests at heart?

Yea.

[Sensei]

Ima sleep on this.

[Sensei]

In the meantime.

Can we please scumhunt and get some wagons going. ABR aint an option.

All this MC talk is letting scum hide.

[Sensei]

Who's scum wgeurts?

[Sensei]

zzthing
kewldog
abr

Why are we reading the game so differently rn?

[Sensei]

Sorry guys just got back in from shoveling. Will answer stuff in a minute.

Lowkey who's that quote from?

[Sensei]

Sensei, could you answer my question from #4175? Was asking how the double lynch works? Is it vote dependent? Do we have to do something for it? Like each of us votes for two people?

Basically get two slots (preferably scummy ones) to L-2 and I'll take care of the rest.

[Sensei]

But a scum lynch plus a town counterwagon lynch is a fucking goldmine of information to kick us off tomorrow.

[Sensei]

snp

Not gonna comment on ABRs claim anymore than I have. That's something that'll get more obvious even after a nightphase maybe two.
Still leaning town there.

My read on zzzx leans town as well. That is more a remnant of his earlier play and the fact that he actually exists. Don't have any bad vibes there.

Nulltown on the cooldog. Of the three that's the lynch today I'd support. Because I see things that could be scum coming from him. But his tone felt slightly town to me earlier on.
The longer it goes with this pressure on him and him not piping in to say shit, though, the happier and happier I'd be to see a flip there.

[Sensei]

The original Flum wagon wasn't good imo

Bad in what sense?

[Sensei]

Sensei, you need to shift your MC vote to me. This has to happen. Trust me on this. I'm not manipulating you, I'm honest.

You know I think I kinda know what you're doing. Maybe.
But why have you stopped scumhunting?
The MC thing isn't going to completely make or break this game. Spending all our time talking about it or not will.

[Sensei]

You die tonight.

Whether that happens or not is out of my control dude.
Who fucking cares anyway.
We have a buttton of content to work with and a healthy amount of strong obvtown players that'll go into day 2 with flips instead of me, who might've gotten lynched today. lol

Think our position isn't as dire as you're making it out to be.

[Sensei]

Brother I have been scumhuntimg for 150 pages.

Right up until you unmecessarily claimed and confirmed yourself which was very bad for town.

My priority is ensuring the doctor's survival because there will be more confirmed town after you.

Yea that was dumb.
The part that I probably woulda claimed today regardless isn't what confirmed me though.
And that's the thing I'm not even positive you're a doc or town.
"There's no way I could play like this as scum." Does nothing for me. I think you're town. I'm not sure enough to not rather have me get MCed and get power for town for sure. And I trust myself to make the greatest fucking party ever if nothing else - even if I'm not alive to lead it. hehe

[Sensei]

I'm actually really concerned that max has become a lot less of a presence since day start.
Anyone have experience with scumax?

[Sensei]

VOTE: zulfy

cooldog, errant, abr, dgb
let's do this

[Sensei]

shhhh

[Sensei]

shhhh

would you be down to lynch DS, itepip, or skybird?

nah, yea, maybe

[Sensei]

Lowkey you should vote for someone.

And that someone is zulfy.

[Sensei]

What's "genuine" about it.

I dislike the fact that it's basically all town/null reads. And then he admits it. Rubs me the wrong way.
Also that fluminator read he gave is weird.
"I think the poorly justified wagon on him makes him town." LOL what?

[Sensei]

I just reread wicked entire iso.

[Sensei]

There's nothing remotely un-fakablein there. And most of his posts give me shivers.
I invite the rest of you to explore it for yourselves.

[Sensei]

if you pple want to manufacture reasons to lynch zulfy lets be honest; he is new, and young and will never be nked ever unless vigged.

I don't think he has read the game in depth. nor do I think he is likely to.

but idc anymore. sure, lets lynch zulfy over scum!kewldog.

This has been the realest post so far this game.
Why not both, though?

[Sensei]

I don't know about shivers. What do you mean by that?

I truly don't get a good vibe reading the words he types. That's it really.
He made one good point about skybird reacting to one of flums posts in a way that's strange for someone that you're scumreading.
But even that kinda felt distance-y.

[Sensei]

Who are all the hydras?

Their mains should be listed in the opening post I'm sure.

[Sensei]

That is essentially what I'm trying to have happen, yes.
Above all else trying to de-stagnate.

[Sensei]

Which is very weird to say given this is the longest day 1 ever.

[Sensei]

Yosarian could I interest you in a zulfy vote? Possibly maybe if I'm feelin' it a pip vote?
I'll check with the mod on that yea.

[Sensei]

I've literally waffled in my brain on DS about 1,000 times just in the past hour.
Probably shouldn't let him get near lylo.
Depends on if he can start towning harder.

[Sensei]

Anyways, when are you going to reveal that thing that I asked you about a while back.

What thing?

[Sensei]

Drixx have some faith.

[Sensei]

You should know, but I don't want to reveal it aloud because scum might realize and react differently.

If it's about the party I'm using random.org, so.

[Sensei]

VOTE: maxwell

[Sensei]

We have three days. Actually a little more.

[Sensei]

Gale, maxwell or cooldog?
Whatcha feelin' more?

[Sensei]

K nvm you're already on cooldog.

[Sensei]

So now I'm wondering why you've got an issue with pressure on max?
Do you have a townread there?

[Sensei]

Does anyone here not understand the value in being able to pressure and threaten to lynch two slots at the same time?

[Sensei]

Alright thought so. More max votes.
Cooldog is acceptable as well.

[Sensei]

Just a heads up. I'm not going to go out of my way to be predictable. I guarantee none of you could tell me what my reads are right now. There's a reason for that.
Nobody is at risk of being hammered. Nobody has gotten close to L-1 yet.
Am I the only person bored out of their mind right now?

My max vote felt a lot better than pretty much any other vote I've made this game so far, fwiw.

[Sensei]

*sheaths blade*
UNVOTE:

[Sensei]

*sheaths blade*
UNVOTE:

Weaksauce

...I can't count my own vote towards the doublekill

[Sensei]

voteittlepip

Join me people this is the best thing we can lynch today.

Not today please.
Max or Cool.

[Sensei]

Yos made a decent point for Piptown. I want him to prove his neighborize as well.

[Sensei]

XD

This game is fucking amazing.

[Sensei]

why do you have abr as town again? cos I read that and if I were to just go by flavour I wld say he is the enemy

[Sensei]

so what is the vote status ? can we vote Max?

yea

[Sensei]

You just quoted a post telling you what to do.

[Sensei]

Max talk to me when you're on.
Start with a readslist.

[Sensei]

I'll be around. Got my phone.

[Sensei]

I might be down for that.
pedit - cerb

[Sensei]

VCA is probably fucked in the ass at this point.
Just something to keep in mind for later.
Or, at least we'll need to analyze things...differently if we hit at least one scum here.

[Sensei]

Or was this it? Can someone link this point?

Can't be arsed to link right now but it was something to do with his claim. Would be weird for scum to claim like that. (iirc)

[Sensei]

I think zzzx's vote is missing from that one.

[Sensei]

It's cooldog:7 maxwell:8
I believe.

[Sensei]

Guys, why am I seeing more scum read players voting for Sensei as MC? I don't quiet understand it.

scumread =/= scum
But I agree don't forget to come back to this after some flips.

[Sensei]

nah

[Sensei]

Max can you show me where you started scumreading lowkey?

[Sensei]

3016 I thought Lowkey was town but he was giving me weird gut vibes. No reason to really suspect though.
3200 You can just read that. It's where I started seriously considering it.

Okay. Walk me through your progression there.
Lowkey's presence in this game has been spotty at best. And your read on him went completely full circle.
So you go from voting him MC, to townreading him (but could go lower), to post 3200 where you're really only just defending yourself, I didn't really get a vibe that you thought he was scummy. Later still you've got a few quips here and there like asking for who wants lowkey dead (if I'm missing something please correct me) it isn't really like you to have naked scumreads and would've expected some elaboration on that read before now, and then now you think he's kinda been appeasing a lot.

Which, is kinda making me pause here because that's exactly what I thought when I did an ISO dive there. Ungodly amounts of just schmoozing towards abr and dp. Pushes on a lot of weaker slots who I've kinda been thinking are town. Rylai, kling, me. They're still parked on not voting, which is suspicious as fuck because while I can understand having trouble keeping up, that doesn't mean that when you're proven wrong on your votes or decide that pressure is no longer needed, you normally see town default to another scumread, because they're naturally always trying to get scum lynched.

Lowkey doesn't seem to have any direction in mind right now at all - except that it's fairly obvious he wouldn't mind a wagon on you. That's about the only impression I can fairly gather.

And we've a head there who has been almost non-existent.

[Sensei]

There are very few people who can see distinctions between 3P and town without going off of claims and stuff. assuming the 3P is aligned solo.
pedit - diamond

[Sensei]

Then what makes you say he's third party?

[Sensei]

Don't answer that unless you want to.

[Sensei]

No you lynch 3P because it's not Town silly.

[Sensei]

So no, you weren't missing anything, most of my thoughts on Lowkey weren't in thread. It was something to pursue for D2, but now is the appropriate time to voice it given the circumstances.

Agreed.

[Sensei]

Cooldog claims first. Being the guy who wanted to massclaim and all. LOL

[Sensei]

Well yes you can leash SKs for example depending on your position. So it can be situational sure.
But they need to die eventually for town to win, most of the time, was my point.

[Sensei]

Now would be a better time to lynch a third party killing role (for example) than later. If we're talking about this game - because town isn't behind really and don't need to rely on the help or have a need to risk for more not-town-controlled kills.
Later on if we haven't hit scum in like 9 days is when people are more likely to be like 'fuck it' and just roll the dice and try and let them kill scum.

[Sensei]

...I'm assuming the game is balanced and we've only had one person die and it's day 1.
Nobody is behind atm.

[Sensei]

The fact all of max's seats filled up first might mean something.

[Sensei]

Not necessarily.
Depends how the flips go.
Cooldog needs to claim asap.
pedit - yosarian is on the right track

[Sensei]

...

[Sensei]

I'm lynching anyone without a claim sorry.

[Sensei]

I'm lynching anyone without a claim sorry.

*not

lol

[Sensei]

What claim would make you choose to not lynch these slots?

Is this a serious question?

[Sensei]

When did I say I think he might be 3p?

[Sensei]

Bit of a weird interpretation of that.
That was in respond to you saying you thought he could be thrid party - that's me telling you what's the difference.

[Sensei]

ooookay.
I mean you literally just asked me what claims would make me not want to lynch a person but
oooookay.

[Sensei]

Where oh where is our lowkey.

Excellent question!

[Sensei]

I'd feel bad lynching cooldog too. His posts make me bust out laughing on the reg.

[Sensei]

Lowkey, how would you feel about a cucumber salad?

[Sensei]

Gale don't do this you're still young.

[Sensei]

Lowkey, how would you feel about a cucumber salad?

I like gogurts and hate Cerb.

I don't like cucumbers though.

What do you like/not like about gurts/cerb?

[Sensei]

I'm also not going to claim until l-1 like normal people do.

Sensei has TWO votes. Plus there are the FIRE and BIT votes. Who knows what other votes are out there.

Everyone might want to consider claiming

before L-1

.

This is a good point.

[Sensei]

I've noticed some people have been citing flavor from various wiki pages and other sources.
The online info for this game is not very good and sometimes completely inaccurate.
If you've got a flavor question, just ask me.
The flavor isn't game-able anyway.

Expect characters who are end-game bosses to be town and protagonists to be scum.

For instance, not all mystics are 'evil', but they definitely are magical vampires. Asellus herself can become 'evil' or 'good'.
Also, I'm pretty sure there's no wiki page for Rastaban or Ciato or even Lion Princess.

And your reaction yesterday, combined with this post by Varsoon, has definitely confirmed my read on you right now.

What you've highlighted from varsoon is simply an exaggeration used to convey to us that flavor will not be alignment indicative.
Which contradicts the rest of your post where you say that the robot thing that is the flavor of the role that pirates have is indicative of scum.

[Sensei]

LOLOLOL

sensei how the fuck can you think that thing is town right now?

they are not new. only a few pple know me as cakey.

I'm not townreading him.

[Sensei]

I kinda wanted cooldogs claim first but I'm not sure that it really matters.

I'm also half tempted to swing another wagon on something.

[Sensei]

K so we're definitely testing that.
If you are lynchproof then probs town because that's retarded for a scum role.
Now we wait for cooldog I guess.

[Sensei]

Do you absolutely have to block 3 or can it be 1 or 2?

[Sensei]

I just think being able to lynch scum without it taking multiple day phases in an integral part of the game.
Plus I liked the claim. /shrug

[Sensei]

Yosarian, Gale, and Zulfy.

meh, surewhynot, nah

[Sensei]

Max I'm leaving it up to you. Best judgment here no pressure.

[Sensei]

I want cooldog to claim, though.

[Sensei]

Do roleblocks not lose some of their potency if scum can predict them, though?

[Sensei]

That's also the thing if max is town scum kinda probably don't have a RBer right?

[Sensei]

If Max is alive tomorrow and someone who was supposed to be RB'd wasn't RB'd, we are going to know something is up and lynch him tomorrow.

This is great n all but we haven't massclaimed yet. (We're close lol)
You mean like as a thing to look back on?
That's the thing I'm kinda trusting max a bit more now. I dunno. Fuck it.
I don't want a zulfy block though because reasons.

[Sensei]

I want cooldog to claim first.
Plus you unvoted for some reason abr.

[Sensei]

Yea and do you expect BIT to play along and just chill between now and the next vote count?

[Sensei]

If we choose who Max is blocking, it makes the action of a watcher / tracker / follower / etc. A LOT MORE POWERFUL because they have a more narrow pool to choose from KNOWING who Max is going to block.

Okay you've got a point.

[Sensei]

50 hours is an eternity btw.

[Sensei]

But muh cooldog claim!

[Sensei]

Gale stick around, the game will probably get more fun. You're the best replacement we've had so far.

This

[Sensei]

Learn some patience, my children.

[Sensei]

I'm also still looking for a good gif. So there's that too.
Can't rush these things.

[Sensei]

Cerb I have literally no idea it depends on when cooldog shows.

[Sensei]

And I might like his claim who knows.

[Sensei]

Sensei is wasting all of our time. You have exactly two minutes before I tableflip and close this laptop.

Sure make me out to be the bad guy here.
AT LEAST YOU FUCKERS WILL ALL BE ALIVE TOMORROW

[Sensei]

Everyone please stuff the roleblocker=scum up yer bums plzkthnx.

[Sensei]

RYLAI DO YOU REMEMBER WHEN YOU THOUGHT I WAS SCUM FOR HAVING A QUOTE "UPGRADED GUN TECHNIQUE OR W/E THE FUCK YOU SAID"
Excuse me while I take everything you say in regards to setup with gigantic grain of salt.

[Sensei]

Yea you were scumreading me for some other bs because you can't read sarcasm but it's kool still love ya anyway.

[Sensei]

Cerb, you seem to care more about the double lynch then you do about who we actually lynch.

BBBBINGOOOOOO

[Sensei]

lol wtf cooldog

[Sensei]

K so we're definitely testing that.

If you are lynchproof then probs town because that's retarded for a scum role

.

Now we wait for cooldog I guess.

If Max is alive tomorrow and someone who was supposed to be RB'd wasn't RB'd, we are going to know something is up and lynch him tomorrow.

This is great n all but we haven't massclaimed yet. (We're close lol)
You mean like as a thing to look back on?

That's the thing I'm kinda trusting max a bit more now. I dunno. Fuck it

.

I don't want a zulfy block though because reasons.

I don't think the claim is alignment indicative, I still think he can very well be scum and have those powers.

WOW it's almost like I said 'probs' or something.
Also still disagree. Lynchproof tends to lean towards the town side.
Keep watch of flips and when we flip a scum if there's an inventor something that can distribute lynchproofs or w/e then awesome.

[Sensei]

I'm Leonard. Apparently my lab (and human body) was destroyed, but I had my consciousness saved in a robot body. I join the party as a robot.
I'm one-shot lynchproof, and after using this power I gain access to a three-player roleblock. By that I mean I can roleblock three players in one night.

So, yeah, if you guys really want to test that, best give me some roleblock targets along with it.

I'll vote CoolDog if it's really needed, because I don't want to play this game if we get to Day 2 after this ridiculous day without any lynch flips. (I'm exaggerating a bit here, but yeah)

PEDIT: Okay, Cerb, I can see why you'd frame it like that then.

Sensei: Who would this other wagon be on?

Max, I would go with DS, Gale, DGB or Ittlepip.

Why does this post give me the creeps?

And why do the other two things skybird posted this page also not make any waves and ring so hollow.

[Sensei]

@Sensei I honestly don't see Lynchproof as alignment indicative, or even leaning one way or another. Bulletproof is definitely a town role, more often than not, but X-Shot Lynchproof less-so.

Cool you played 1 game with a conditional lynchproof scum thing. Sounds like an awesome setup!

[Sensei]

Do roleblocks not lose some of their potency if scum can predict them, though?

Yeah. If we want to have a chance at blocking the scum factional kill, we really do not want to announce who we are roleblocking.

We went over this.
Being role madness I agree with abr.
I'm still not 100% on who I want max to block. But if he's scum then we're putting his team in an awkward pos cuz he needs to do what he's said.

[Sensei]

*told

[Sensei]

I ain't claiming for shit fi you don't got the votes. Simple as that. We have too many "town" claims out there already, the scum doesn't need more information. Also, chill your shit, we still got time.

COOLDOG I AM A DREAMING FUCKING GOD SELF INVENTOR I COULD HAVE LYNCHED YOU BY MYSELF PAGE FUCKING 1.

PLEASE FUCKING CLAIM NOW THIS IS INTENT TO HAMMER

THINK I'M FUCKING AROUND? I WILL OCTOPLE-VOTE YOU AND HAMMER YOU FUCKING ELEVEN TIMES OVER IF YOU DON'T CLAIM IN YOUR NEXT POST

DO YOU REALIZE THERE ARE ROLES IN THIS GAME THAT COULD CONFIRM YOU TOWN BY FLAVOR AND DSHIT?
I LEARNED THAT ONE FROM EXPERIENCE.

[Sensei]

Sorry haven't gotten coffee yet.

[Sensei]

Zulfy is masons with Sensei.

Lol what?
No.

[Sensei]

Town got a role pm with a blue background, i.e. scumslip from itlepip

RIDDLE ME THIS HOW DO YOU KNOW SCUM DIDN'T GET A "BLUE" BACKGROUND?!

[Sensei]

ohh, my powers give me a triple vote once per day, freeze someones vote roleblock, and, if I use all 3 of them on the same player... they die, which is always nice.

there you go, my claim in full. I can give you specific names of the abilities if that means anything to you.

When would they die?

[Sensei]

Like you just need to have all three votes on them at the end of the day and that kills them or what? I'm confused here.

[Sensei]

Why didn't you immediately object to the Wakatu visit suggestions if town kwldog?

Each region can only be visited once.
People suggest going to Wakatu.
No objection.

Nobody was even talking about going to wakatu so.
Don't think that's as telling as you're making it out to be honestly.

[Sensei]

Oh wow you're sharp.

[Sensei]

Yea fuck it let's do max/cooldog.

Everyone for the love of god wait for a VC please.

[Sensei]

Secret voters might try and screw us.

[Sensei]

Town.
We've not much time. In the event I'm alive tomorrow I'll be heartily pushing a cucumber lynch.
If I'm not here. Promise to carry on my legacy.

[Sensei]

Because you're not town.
You're already flailing.

[Sensei]

Look at how the scum tries to guess why he's being scumread.
Priceless.

Mollie talk to be about when you went bald or w/e.
We got a bit of time before varsoon shows up I think.

[Sensei]

Yup.

[Sensei]

oh boy

[Sensei]

Ready when you fellas are.

[Sensei]

2x Gale Slash

Spoiler:

[Sensei]

GL town.

[Sensei]

Yea that was a shitty lynch. :/

[Sensei]

Lynchproof scum, though?
Meh. I'm done role-specing
My gut is clearly better.

[Sensei]

Nope.

[Sensei]

The earlier maxwagon - at least the front end is probs pretty town.
That's just scum knowing max wasn't gonna flip and trying for town-cred later.

[Sensei]

Why?

[Sensei]

If you were roleblocked it was probably max because he could block half the game.
Just chill out on giving scum more info.

[Sensei]

Wow Sensei. Your party is pretty weak.

If DP is scum we already lost. (Though I'm having super paranoia right now but don't mind me)
Rylai is town as fuck and have extensive flavor knowledge.
Diamond is town as fuck and brings the emotion.
Drixx is town as fuck and brings the logic.
What's not to like?

[Sensei]

Rylai and Drixx are fine.
DP and DS are bad choices even if they are town though. Oh well.

Why?

[Sensei]

Flum are you just salty cuz you wanted to adventure?
I almost brought you along over diamond. Almost.
I'm just more solidly town on him than you atm.

[Sensei]

Will we get confirmation that the dayvig went off if it hits a bulletproof?

[Sensei]

Let's get a wagon festering on klingon for a bit actually.
Dayvig I don't know will ponder a bit.

[Sensei]

Eeeeeeeh. Klingon doesn't feel like a max buddy tbqh.
Hard to tell because kling hasn't posted that much real content but still.

[Sensei]

I mean if I were scum I'd probably consider bussing that I guess.
Meh.

[Sensei]

Gut and reasons.

[Sensei]

I want to observe for now.
I'm also parsing maxwells novel of an iso atm. hehe

[Sensei]

Wait who did itlepip hatorize?

[Sensei]

^Kinda what I was thinking but yea. I'm gonna chill for a bit with guessing what goes on in Varsoons' mind.
Max iso suggests pip town kinda sorta, though.
Also Yos Max said he was gonna block you. I doubt he'd lie about that unless you're scum with him.

[Sensei]

Klingon what are your reads atm?

[Sensei]

^Kinda what I was thinking but yea. I'm gonna chill for a bit with guessing what goes on in Varsoons' mind.
Max iso suggests pip town kinda sorta, though.
Also Yos Max said he was gonna block you. I doubt he'd lie about that unless you're scum with him.

He might have; like I said, I have no idea if I was blocked or not. Nothing in Max's role says he can make hated townies though.

So you're saying scum decided to block you + permanently make you hated?
Why concentrate so much fire on you when there are plently of other slots far more widely read as town and stuff?

[Sensei]

The only reason I'm confident that max blocked you is because why lie.
Also the way he jumped on top of ABR's targets quite quickly. Despite scumreading him. Felt like he saw an opportunity to block some town while making it easier to keep his story straight.
Just the kneejerkyness of it I guess.

[Sensei]

Right, but who's been scumreading you hard enough to perma-hate you?
Like, not really anybody.

[Sensei]

Intent to Dayvig Diamond

Based on Information Received from Flum from da hood.

Um. Is this info that you would like to share or nah?

[Sensei]

Okay Diamond may need to claim but I'll probably have him not do it in the thread.

[Sensei]

Don't answer that here.

[Sensei]

I'm grilling him harder than my grandma did when I ate all the muffins that one time.

[Sensei]

No one take action on Diamond except me though cause I need to run a few things by flum to really understand what he was saying, but it seems to be in the very least a guilty of sorts on Diamond.

Yes please do that.

[Sensei]

Why does my read on him matter when it's essentially a 1v1?

[Sensei]

Seriously let's cut out the bullshit.
Flum says gunsmith guilty. Diamond says he has no gun.
Am I wrong?

[Sensei]

cause the flum result on Diamond was fake for a reaction, it works cause I can back him up that it was always fake.

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[Sensei]

Diamond gdi this is why I told you not to claim anything in-thread.

[Sensei]

At this point I'd just dayvig klingon. Just a big distraction honestly.

[Sensei]

Can someone explain what's going on? lol

[Sensei]

Yea that's what it looks like but I'm trying to figure out why in name of holy jesus he would do that.
You realize you staying in the game is only hindering us from hunting scum if you actually are town?
Plus you claimed the only thing you can do is secret vote?(which is bs there's no way that's your only ability) and zulfy here has never once outwardly expressed a read on you in anyway?
And that now if itlepips dayvig doesn't go through then he probably doesn't have another one and he might not actually be a dayvig making figuring him out that much more of a chore?

[Sensei]

Like, just a shitty play all around if he's town.
Kinda have an urge to powerlynch him just for the benefit of the doubt.

[Sensei]

1) Varsoon would be that guy and put a scumdayvig in the game but I'm not really feeling that. Especially after pip's snapshot there.
2) When the ENTIRE FUCKING GAME THINKS YOU'RE SCUM then staying in the game -if you're town- is being a distraction, it has nothing to do with you, we need to see you flip before endgame, that's all there is to it. Change up how you play to not be a lurksack, OMGUSy, unreadable antitown whatever and this wont happen to you every single game.
3) Why did you park your BIT vote on me the entire day even after I became pretty obviously town?

[Sensei]

Zulfy, why did you block the dayvig?

[Sensei]

His reaction was pretty town imo.

[Sensei]

I put my BIT vote on you because I wanted to test it out and I was certain no one would be stupid enough to vote for you. How could anyone see you as Scum?

I moved it when I saw an actual viable wagon.

And if you're wondering, I really did think CoolDog was Scum.

Couple things wrong with this.
Why 'test out' a vote on a townread? There were clearly people you thought were scum at no threat of being lynched.
I wouldn't call cooldog a viable wagon strictly because we were putting votes there basically artificially.

[Sensei]

^Could you point out in your iso all instances of you calling maxwell scum please.

[Sensei]

Yea that's what I thought. I mean I asked because a quick ctrl-f was pretty much that and then after we decided on our lynches is really the only other time his name pops up.
So you saying 'glad we were right about max' seems really strange considering you spent like, zero of your time pushing him at all except for a few soft things here and there.
Made me wonder if I was missing something.
Interactions with him aren't all that great either.

[Sensei]

Cool Cucumbers is town.

Just give me a nod if you think I'm thinking what you're thinking.

[Sensei]

Anyway, I think Skybird and Itlepip are both 3rd Party.

Where does the logic for this come from?
You've been saying this a lot and never explain why.

[Sensei]

Also you dodged my 5334

[Sensei]

Lemme talk to DS a bit.
Alb did you see my nod?

[Sensei]

No need to get salty. I don't want any rash decisions.

[Sensei]

You think scums in the hood right now?
What do you think I'm talking with him about?
Obv something that should try and be kept lowkey.

[Sensei]

Name some names besides DS. Because if that's your only person of issue then I don't see why you'd care if I take precautionary measures in the event that he's town and therefore the hood is likely all town.

[Sensei]

Like the avatar, Gale.

[Sensei]

Hello Sensei, who do you think is scum right now?

Was about to ask you the same question.

[Sensei]

If I had to guess.
THE FIRE IS SPREADING.

[Sensei]

Yosarian you're forgetting that getting lynched unlocked all of max's other shit.

[Sensei]

How are you sure he gained magic, skybird?

[Sensei]

Yosarian you're forgetting that getting lynched unlocked all of max's other shit.

I'm not forgetting that. I'm saying that, from the point of view of winning the game, that fact is less important then the fact that we needed to lynch or otherwise kill Max twice in order to win the game.

I mean, if town gets to lynch or lose with a scum that doesn't die the first time he gets lynched, town auto-loses. So getting that first lynch in on Max day 1 was huge for the town.

Even with it giving him powers, lynching Max yesterday brought us a step closer to town victory. It was something we had to do in order to beat his scum team, and the sooner, the better.

Lynching max doesn't automatically mean he's getting lynched again in the near future. In fact there was a good amount of rabble about him being town based on the lynchproof.
It depends on if scum wanted their strongman asap (guessing they probably did - look at all the bulletproofs and shit going around) some nice smooth town-cred and access to blocking 5 people at the earliest possible point in the game.

You've got a point as well. And I think if we meet in the middle it means probably a lot of soft-bussing.

[Sensei]

I figured that out just from his posts here tbh.