New York 194: Guns N' Roses Mafia! (Day 8)

[KuroiXHF]

dont try to comment on every page. just read and give your thoughts or youll never finish

This.

@Kill doing short catchups as I go along so that its not one huge ass wall,

There's less wrong with walls than there are a page of first three-four sentence posts.

Ok caught up

Bullshit. It took me six hours to get through everything, and that was when the page was on ~Page 54.

Assume there is a player X who is playing similar to Snarky and doing very little.

If this player X is town then they are helping scum I can accept this argument. They are helping scum because they are an easy target for a mislynch. The issue is that player X can be scum. When they are scum they are helping town making themselves a likely target for a lynch so their actions are pro-town. Taking all this into account we can say their actions are actually neutral unless you know their alignment. What they are actually doing is being anti-agenda, which is to say they are not playing to help their agenda whatever that is.

I'll try to rephrase this to optimize clarity. If someone is doing something that is not helping town then they are not using their town slot as much as possible, which is akin to two wolves bringing sheep to their slaughter. It's a tug of war and town need to pull or they're being pulled. I don't accept the idea of neutral forces.

Snarky is not helping the town. Snarky does not produce content. Snarky is coasting by, laying under the radar more than anyone (save one or two) and

Snarky doesn't show that he's going to do anything differently.

You imply Snarky posting more would have been a town action here.
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Abso-freaking-lutely. The EASIEST way for scum to sneak under the radar is to post enough to be seen as not being a lurker, but not enough to really be noticed. At the same time, it's one of the first things I look for. I look for people who post little or a lot, but with low content. I give them more less benefit of the doubt than I do someone who posts a lot, but is controversial with their opinions.

[DrippingGoofball]

So that means you think frag is fake claiming that would mean you think frag is scum, why are you not voting for him then instead of a non entity like yume?

Why can't they both be town?

[KickAssAndGiggle]

Mod: ilikebugs hasn't posted for a while...like...uh...12 days

[Fraggernaut]

Prod dodge. Gotta work 12 hours & won't be back till tomorrow

[RachMarie]

how can they both be town based on their claims? Frag states as part of his claim that he watched Ira go to dude who got killed? Not sure what the enabler part is all about, but when I was a town ascetic I could not be watched, investigated, or anything, but killed by mafia or lynched during the day. So

Either Frag is lying about his results since he would not be able to watch the ascetic OR he is telling the truth and Ira is lying about his claim umm how on earth is that possible that both can be town?

[Killthestory]

lynch irao kekek ek kek ek

[Aristophanes]

Iroan Enables an Ascetic.
He isn't one himself.

He should still die.
Can someone hammer?

[Performer]

It's obvious that he only claimed now because he was about to get lynched. He would've immediately claimed the result on day 2 if he was what he claims to be, especially after nobody wanted to lynch me.

I'm town ascetic enabler. So there is almost certainly an ascetic role in this setup.

If we see that you're town , then Frag was lying to us, then we'd lynch him next . I caught up to part of pg 81 so far and it looks like Frag's telling the truth so UNVOTE:

[Performer]

I wouldn't call it a policy, as it is situationally based.
However, I'd rather risk losing an ascetic enabler than a watcher.
If he is scum, he's dead meat tomorrow. If he's town, he is far better to us alive than dead.
It's merely weighing the potential risks. Your lynch is the better play here.

If it's a fake claim by iraonavp, it's a strange one. I've never been in a game with an ascetic enabler before, so it's hardly common. I get the logic in your post but I find Frag's claim much more suspect than iraonavp's. My gut says Frag is bs'ing.

If iraonavp is telling the truth though, and scum have an ascetic, no way they kill him.

UNVOTE:

For now.

Ascetic OR Enabler would even make more sense. But a Town Ascetic Enabler, no I don't think so. Almost finished my catchup, on pg 82 now.

Intent to hammer.

[Performer]

Instead of being a detriment to town if you're town (I don't think you are), & try to actually analyze the information I provided you.

I seriously doubt there is another protective role in this game

[Performer]

What is it with the idiotic Irannavp votes????

He's really towning it up

I bet all of Yume's buddies are on his wagon already.

WOW.....this slot.

[Performer]

Something else that's still bothering me is that Yume & Guy replaced out right after n2 when there was only 1 death - the death of Egg.
Hmm.
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lol im going to lynch you for tunneling this fucking hard on inactives. this is literally a PL wagon

I'd have to disagree that it's a PL on Yume slot.

[Performer]

VOTE: iraonavp

[RachMarie]

My pred did not replace out, he flaked out, and he was not very active when he was here, I think the yume slot also is another flake out and I believe the mod is looking for a replacement, hopefully someone who gets into the game more,

Still, either replacing out or flaking out is generally a null tell.

What do you think of Oz? Granted he has been sick, but I definitely got pings on my scumdar from him.

Do you think DGB's death tunnel on nonentities in the game means she is scummy or town? Or just annoying? I want to look at a few of her recently finished games, since she does tend to tunnel a lot in either faction.

[Something_Smart]

Meh I was just about to tell Performer not to hammer.
Not sure where I stand after a scumflip but I think Firebringer and Ari are still scum.

[Performer]

Meh I was just about to tell Performer not to hammer.
Not sure where I stand after a scumflip but I think Firebringer and Ari are still scum.

I think the ira lynch is the best way to go after all things considered. I seriously hope this night won't go to waste.

@Rach I think Drip could be scum but her predecessor's play made me think otherwise.

[Aristophanes]

Meh I was just about to tell Performer not to hammer.
Not sure where I stand after a scumflip but I think Firebringer and Ari are still scum.

Is this you admitting you know Iroan is scum?
Hmmm?

[Performer]

My pred did not replace out, he flaked out, and he was not very active when he was here, I think the yume slot also is another flake out and I believe the mod is looking for a replacement, hopefully someone who gets into the game more,

Still, either replacing out or flaking out is generally a null tell.

What do you think of Oz? Granted he has been sick, but I definitely got pings on my scumdar from him.

Do you think DGB's death tunnel on nonentities in the game means she is scummy or town? Or just annoying? I want to look at a few of her recently finished games, since she does tend to tunnel a lot in either faction.

Drip does tunnel very much, at least based on the game I was in with her against 2-man scum team of 2 Mafia Vigilantes, hosted by BBMolla in a 14-man large normal.

Replacing out can be seen as null but I factor in other things to try getting a better read on why they'd replace out.

Ozgin I thought, was likely town based on a post that he made about replacing out if things got worse.

Because of a new route of thinking that I literally happened upon today regarding this specific game, I am second guessing my reads on Guy, who I believe I had as a townread, and even Ozgin, who I townread too. I'd have to see what happens into next day phase. I also propose we wagon much more quickly next phase.

[Performer]

I've also reviewed ira's votes from his ISO and they're rather interesting to say the least (VCA).

[Something_Smart]

@Ari: I am still expecting him to flip town, but I was intending to come up with two readlists, one assuming he flips town and another assuming he flips scum. I probably won't have time to do that however.
Also, it seems like you believe ira's claim. Do you believe the claim but still think he is scum?

[RachMarie]

You do realize I replaced Guy, right Perf?

Why not share after all we are waiting for the mod, so any info that can help us tomorrow is useful

Pedit

I believe one of them is lying, a watcher is more believable than a town acetic enabler,

Especially since if frag is lying about his claim he knows he will swing tomorrow. They both can't be telling the truth, so therefore one has to be scum,

[Aristophanes]

@Ari: I am still expecting him to flip town, but I was intending to come up with two readlists, one assuming he flips town and another assuming he flips scum. I probably won't have time to do that however.
Also, it seems like you believe ira's claim. Do you believe the claim but still think he is scum?

I see.

I think his claim is probably legit. However, an enabler, especially of Ascetics, is no great loss, and with a track to the kill, likely scum.

I have seen many enablers on scumteam before.

[RachMarie]

watch not track Ari. I got those mixed up once and screwed up my n 1 watch, Fixed it later but it did cost us a bit, A watcher only sees what comes to his or her target, a tracker follows his target if said target goes anywhere.

[DrippingGoofball]

Still, either replacing out or flaking out is generally a null tell.

nope scumtell

[iraonavp]

I was town-aligned, good luck.