Open 623 (White Flag) - A Moment in Time (Over)

[Ranger]

Page 33 also increases my Viva-Cakez theory given their interaction seems like distancing.

[Viva La Gloria]

Ranger, I like you, but if Cakez was my partner and playing like this I would have made sure he got lynched day 1.

[Ranger]

So I just reached page 67.
Nothing in those pages has changed my opinion that much.
My scumread on SirCakez has significantly strengthened, as I think it no coincidence a pusher of Cakez being scum died both N1

and

N2. KickAssAndGiggle's heaviest push was SirCakez as scum. I also think Viva La Gloria is a scumbuddy, because this fits with my understanding of RC's scum play: the hard bus, while still pursuing his wincon and lynching town. The interactions between the two truly seem like distancing scum, and Cerberus really looks like their third buddy. pistachi0n also looks rather town, and while TheCow's not as town as I like, and Karnage isn't providing as much content as I like, both look town still.

[Ranger]

I have a theory that viva and cerb are the scum buddies but I'm not as sure about them so I'm sticking with Karnage.

I also think

this

is why EE was the nightkill.

[Ranger]

1682 as well.

[Ranger]

They probably want me to be the LyLo mislynch. Would explain a lot.

Frankly the only reason I'm not voting SirCakez right now is I'm waiting for everyone to check in at least once before I vote, because I honestly don't see myself voting anywhere else. This post is just terrible, and so much of SirCakez's posting feels faked, fabricated, and deliberate. His interactions with Viva La Gloria read as coordinated distancing, and his decision to sheep specific players (namely, my slot) reads as buddying.

[Ranger]

{Karnage, pistachi0n}
{TheCow}
{Cerberus v666}
{Viva La Gloria}
{SirCakez}

If I'd be wrong on a read, it would admittedly be TheCow, but I still think I'm right. In particular, 1783 from Cerberus v666 seems ridiculously strategic and analytically feels "off". I can't exactly put into words how the analysis is off, but it feels skewered and deliberately tampered with.

[Ranger]

Oh. You might've noticed some other positioning changes. Karnage is a top-tier townread because I've seen Karnage's play as scum, and what I've read at where I'm at seems to suggest this is not it. He's contributed a lot more and given many more solid thoughts this game compared to Pick Your Poison, and overall feels a lot less lurkish. pistachi0n also simply feels town, and I don't see myself ever voting there. It's like I said: if

any

of my reads are wrong, TheCow would be the

only

person I could see as scum outside of {SirCakez, Viva La Gloria, Cerberus v666}, but I don't think I am. They fit as a team well.

[Ranger]

I should also say: for someone so heavily scumreading TheCow in part for his lolhammers, SirCakez's trajectory onto voting Titus is one of the worst I've ever seen on-site. It's just scum. Also, worth mentioning: ever since D1, and gaining strength each day, every single player has been like, "SirCakez is scum, but X is also scum", with them pushing X and dropping their SirCakez push. That's just not town.

[Ranger]

If Titus flips town, Karnage or Cow goes tomorrow basically.

Karnage, TheCow, you two listen well and listen good.

This is why you're both alive.

It's to vote each other.
AI lived in spite of being a town-read because his reads were decent, but he supported one of your deaths. (I forget which.)
EE died because he didn't want either of you dead.

[Ranger]

Kill Calexico tomorrow, regardless of what Titus flips, she's had her buddies lynch her because she wouldn't bus them herself. I'm going to die and he's going to wifom you to death but don't believe it just lynch him.

This guy knew his stuff. (Calexico is clearly SirCakez.)

[Ranger]

If he altslipped in a public thread, then it's basically fucked up to deny said information to other players, ESPECIALLY at this junction in the game.

SirCakez does have reason not to disclose the information, given that said altslip is obviously from an ongoing game and that's a subject to tread carefully on.

[Ranger]

Yeah Karnage is definitely scum here. He's brought up the night kills twice now and I don't think he's addressed anyone but me the entire day.

The funny thing is.

And I say this as someone who just spent the better part of three or so hours reading the thread, so this knowledge is

fresh in my mind

.

On D2, you said this about KAAG. You thought bringing up the droog nightkill the way KAAG did was suspicious.
KAAG died.
Eagle brought up KAAG. You thought bringing up the KAAG nightkill was suspicious.
Eagle died.

And now, here, today, you're calling Karnage scum for doing the same thing. Occam's razor: which is simpler? Scum decided, from the get-go, to kill players suspicious of a single town player

every night

just

to frame that person in lylo...or, scum decided to kill threats to them?

The VCA point is also valid. You've been on every mislynch, and your progression to voting Titus was awful.

Cerberus's defense of you in 2060 makes me want to have him be lynched after you.

[Ranger]

The sad fact is, if I can't convince TheCow to vote with me, and/or Karnage to vote with me, we might not be able to win. :/

I do seriously think this could not be any more obvious, though.
NKA says SirCakez.
VCA says SirCakez.
SirCakez's inconsistent reads throughout the game, buddy-buddy nature, and lack of drive all say scum, as does his framing of "TheCow or Karnage".

[Ranger]

Cerb is our lynch today.

Cerb is safer.

I'll make you a deal: lynch SirCakez today, and then we can lynch Cerb tomorrow, because you're probably right. There is a chance, however remote, that I am wrong about Viva La Gloria. I think Cerberus's defense of SirCakez today in lylo is particularly telling, though. Cerberus does not strike me as the bussing type, and he is severely avoiding that push. Similarly, while SirCakez has Cerberus as a lynch candidate, he is focused exclusively on yourself and Karnage, and I'm increasingly sure you two are both town.

[Ranger]

So I did a refresher-iso of Karnage in Pick Your Poison and in here. There's no contest. His posting here is in an entirely different league, as I thought. Karnage is town.

[SirCakez]

This is RC.

Yes, I know. We've played together before with you under this name. You alt-slipped. I read it.

Wow that's definitely a strong player.

I'm generally fairly good with remembering who I've played with, but I can't remember you. Have we played together? What gives you the impression I'm a strong player?

Frankly speaking: I made it clear to the mod that unless we lynch a mafiate today, I'm not recording this game in my wiki. I'm not at all confident this is actually winnable. Now don't get me wrong. I intend to give my all anyway. It might take a while, but I think reading every page is a necessity. It's just that this is lylo, and frankly, I'm replacing into an 85-page game. The most pages I've had to read as a replacement before is like...12. This is a significantly higher stress load, not only the phase but also the amount of reading.

If you're expecting some lord and savior...you've got the wrong gal. I'll do what I can, but to win we need two mafia dead. I can't guarantee I can get them.

I played with you in Pick your Poison which just finished as a hydra and then I know of your pretty impressive reputation as a scum hunter.

[SirCakez]

Yeah Karnage is definitely scum here. He's brought up the night kills twice now and I don't think he's addressed anyone but me the entire day.

The funny thing is.

And I say this as someone who just spent the better part of three or so hours reading the thread, so this knowledge is

fresh in my mind

.

On D2, you said this about KAAG. You thought bringing up the droog nightkill the way KAAG did was suspicious.
KAAG died.
Eagle brought up KAAG. You thought bringing up the KAAG nightkill was suspicious.
Eagle died.

And now, here, today, you're calling Karnage scum for doing the same thing. Occam's razor: which is simpler? Scum decided, from the get-go, to kill players suspicious of a single town player

every night

just

to frame that person in lylo...or, scum decided to kill threats to them?

The VCA point is also valid. You've been on every mislynch, and your progression to voting Titus was awful.

Cerberus's defense of you in 2060 makes me want to have him be lynched after you.

KAAG's reasoning for why the droog nightkill lead to me was awful. Droog wasn't even voting for me at the end of the day.
I've had the theory since yesterday scum wants me to be the LyLo mislynch through night kills so when the first thing Eagle did was bring up the nightkill and vote me then yes obviously I'm going to be suspicious. Same applies to Karnage because Eagle was a fairly bad kill from my perspective.

[SirCakez]

The sad fact is, if I can't convince TheCow to vote with me, and/or Karnage to vote with me, we might not be able to win. :/

I do seriously think this could not be any more obvious, though.
NKA says SirCakez.
VCA says SirCakez.
SirCakez's inconsistent reads throughout the game, buddy-buddy nature, and lack of drive all say scum, as does his framing of "TheCow or Karnage".

NKA is obvious framing. Nothing else makes sense.
VCA points to like four different people right now, yes I was on every mislynch, but so was Cow, Karnage was on 2/3, Pistach was on 2/3. My reads have obviously been garbage so I was trusting Viva, one of my two top town reads, on that wagon as he had been pushing it the entire game.
How have I framed Cow or Karnage?

[SirCakez]

So I did a refresher-iso of Karnage in Pick Your Poison and in here. There's no contest. His posting here is in an entirely different league, as I thought. Karnage is town.

They look very similar to me, I checked. He's lurking, making little posts, not very consistent in both games. How did you come up with this?

[SirCakez]

Viva's death tunnel on Titus was very clearly from a town mindset. Especially considering who it actually is.

[Karnage]

The sad fact is, if I can't convince TheCow to vote with me, and/or Karnage to vote with me, we might not be able to win. :/

I do seriously think this could not be any more obvious, though.
NKA says SirCakez.
VCA says SirCakez.
SirCakez's inconsistent reads throughout the game, buddy-buddy nature, and lack of drive all say scum, as does his framing of "TheCow or Karnage".

not sure what you mean about convincing me. Cakez is my top choice for scum.

[SirCakez]

Oh yeah
That point about not being able to get them to vote with you is bollocks because both are likely scum

[SirCakez]

Also

Cerb is our lynch today.

Cerb is safer.

I'll make you a deal: lynch SirCakez today, and then we can lynch Cerb tomorrow, because you're probably right. There is a chance, however remote, that I am wrong about Viva La Gloria. I think Cerberus's defense of SirCakez today in lylo is particularly telling, though. Cerberus does not strike me as the bussing type, and he is severely avoiding that push. Similarly, while SirCakez has Cerberus as a lynch candidate, he is focused exclusively on yourself and Karnage, and I'm increasingly sure you two are both town.

You do realize we are in LyLo, correct? This is not the time for compromise lynches.

[TheCow]

Yes, I'm down for the Cakez lynch. He's pretty much confirmed scum.