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[DkKoba]

but why is salsa not pushing back on enchant tho - after the no kill

salsa is treating enchant like a confirmed townie

[DkKoba]

oh lmao it wasnt a bp save

[DkKoba]

where in the world is datisi

[Datisi]

i am in bed and don't feel like actually typing up anything. salsa/gamma can be tvt wrt iv reading them differently because he like townleans one and idkreads the other and it's just two reads in a bigger readpost and i am really not convinced that they HAVE to be opposite alignments and that it's impossible iv was just making up nonsense as he went

[DkKoba]

well ok we can toss that out and discuss it post game but i think the rest of my case has solid points

[DkKoba]

now pls direct the same energy towards the points you have against chaos' slot pls


also i havent even looked at what salsa tried to frame u for in her write up of a scum datisi world let me see.

[Datisi]

you're trying to talk me out of scumreading chaos for his sri push when i in fact never scumread him for that

i am not sold on dumbtelld being a scumsalsa thing because ari mentioned the possibility of scum not inputting kills, and also how is that margot post a dumbtell? it reads more like her taking the only stance she can after being backed into a corner

sleep time

[DkKoba]

By the way I think ChaosOmega is town. Just wanted to squeeze that in there. Okay, bye.

[DkKoba]

you're trying to talk me out of scumreading chaos for his sri push when i in fact never scumread him for that

i am not sold on dumbtelld being a scumsalsa thing because ari mentioned the possibility of scum not inputting kills, and also how is that margot post a dumbtell? it reads more like her taking the only stance she can after being backed into a corner

sleep time

no im trying to get you to see that he has a towny thought process and just because someone is pushing town that doesnt mean you cant find them town for it.

i have found townies who push on me datisi

i have found townies who push other townies


its not a crazy concept.

you are misinterpreting what i am trying to argue.

[DkKoba]

By the way I think ChaosOmega is town. Just wanted to squeeze that in there. Okay, bye.

how do you have a read on this slot?

lol trying to discredit the chaos read

[DkKoba]

Oh, so it's a serious vote then. Alright.

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

I don't like ssbm_Kyouko's reasoning for their vote in their last post because trying to meta someone you haven't really played with doesn't really work. Or at least the meta read is going to be shallow as I know that it is wrong here. I know that you replaced into my scum slot but you haven't really engaged with me as players with me being scum and you being town so for you to call me on a scumtell is a little bit unsettling.

I don't understand Margot's scumread on me either. I wasn't exactly trying to do a galaxy brain play, just trying to move the game out of RVS. I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically. Is it because they come off as forced or something else entirely? I have no clue, just that they don't like my posts and that they don't like the AtE coming from my slot (which I don't really spot, but okay).

Of all the votes on me, ChaosOmega's vote makes the most sense to me and he has explained why he thinks my opening comes off poorly and I can see why. Overall though there's just not enough content in his ISO for me to feel comfortable giving him a solidified read. Similarly, Aristeia is in the same boat. Just not enough posts for me to feel comfortable giving a settled read on. Hopefully that changes by the end of the day.

PoE people have good reads btw ^

also mew got pushed my margot when mew was pushing salsa.


how many coincidences regarding scum and how they treat slots pushing salsa do i need to give u datisi

[Datisi]

probably more than there are in the thread, as i don't care about flipped people's reads unless i am aware of their skill level, and also quoting posts like that iv one in a game where it is confirmed scum was bussing like crazy is lol

[Datisi]

no im trying to get you to see that he has a towny thought

what is townie about his thought process on ari

[DkKoba]

datisi what is it gonna take for me to convince u to not be tunneled on chaos bc i can just hard sense you really really really want to vote me based on that pet read and its just really like frustrating because i dont know what kind of case is going to convince you when i toss all this very good evidence of salsa being scum at you and its just bounces off of you :/

[DkKoba]

no im trying to get you to see that he has a towny thought

what is townie about his thought process on ari

datisi

you

pushed

multiple townies this game


and you are trying to shade chaos for doing the same


like please dont throw stones in glass houses.

chaos was consistent in how he was scumreading people he just doesnt have good reads u need to look at the *thought process*

[DkKoba]

probably more than there are in the thread, as i don't care about flipped people's reads unless i am aware of their skill level, and also quoting posts like that iv one in a game where it is confirmed scum was bussing like crazy is lol

IV called out you salsa and margot as scum after that catchup and you waved it off

ive now proven you are just purpoesfully denying anything i say because of you tunnel.


i am not going to bother if you refuse to shed your preconceptions about chaos' play and show good faith. i have tried to turn this gamestate around very hard and i wont have valid points waved aside bc you have a pet theory you dont want to admit could be wrong.

[Datisi]

i am asking you to fucking present the townie thought process

i'm not saying pushing ari makes him scum jesus christ i'm saying it doesn't make him town, you're claiming it does, fuck present evidence rather than going "but datisi you pushed townies this game and u r town"

[DkKoba]

VOTE: Mewtaph

What about your posting made you think you would get votes? If you thought this was likely, why make those posts?

Lol, page 1 just unloading the cannon.

I actually didn't like 10 more, I was voting for that before I was sniped. It reads like cautious scum, they want to make a vote to build a wagon and force pressure to look town but don't want to step on any toes, so they pull all the teeth from the vote saying it's for pressure and they're not sure what for.

Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.

in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?

also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?

It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.

I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.

Placing a 2nd vote on someone on page 1 with the reason "Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined" does not apply "genuine pressure". Your last game I see, you were town and entered the game with a naked vote on a building wagon. That can actually build pressure. What you've done this game looks fake.

On an unrelated note Mewtaph, what do you think of Margot?

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ssbm, what is your read on Mewtaph, and what are your thoughts on the iv wagon forming?

Evidently I think you're more likely to be town than not because I don't think mafia!you steps on my toes as boldly as you have but I've been wrong before.

in what way does salsa's posts towards you make you think it's unlikely to be scum stepping on toes, that doesn't make you feel so from me/omega?

also, can was there a reason you picked her - taking a cursory glance at your topics, i don't see you've played together before?

It felt unnecessarily stand-offish. Scum can accomplish the same outcome (ie. reaching the conclusion of voting me) without navigating it the way that they did.

I chose her because of all places I could place my vote at the time, 1) this applied genuine pressure at the time, 2 votes being the largest wagon possible. This limited my options to a few people already. From there, I guess you could say it's a guessing game. I could be wrong about my read, as I have gotten similar reactions from both town and mafia. It depends on how things develop from here.

Placing a 2nd vote on someone on page 1 with the reason "Applying additional pressure here. Results of said pressure to be determined" does not apply "genuine pressure". Your last game I see, you were town and entered the game with a naked vote on a building wagon. That can actually build pressure. What you've done this game looks fake.

On an unrelated note Mewtaph, what do you think of Margot?

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ssbm, what is your read on Mewtaph, and what are your thoughts on the iv wagon forming?

I don't want to get stuck on something that happened on page 2-3. All I'll say is this: I think we're referring to different types of pressure here. I got what I wanted out of my vote, arguably more than I bargained for since we seemed to have moved out of RVS almost immediately after that post. If this causes others to scumread me then fine.

I like Margot's intention to do a dive and post a reads list. Do I actually like Margot as town is a different situation entirely and something I'm still going to have to decide on in the posts to come.

It's not ancient history, it was 10 pages ago. My problem with you is that I think you're lying and now waffling between pivoting to the utility of you making weird posts (it took us out of RVS, that's good, yay me) and still trying to justify your posting as good because it provided pressure and allowed your read on SF to be clearer. Please clarify what pressure you applied with your posting, and how this is different than pressure that I am referring to.

Oh, so it's a serious vote then. Alright.

There are a few players being cautious around locking in as town too early, T3 and Datisi. I think both are townier than not right now but that also just gives me pause.

I don't like ssbm_Kyouko's reasoning for their vote in their last post because trying to meta someone you haven't really played with doesn't really work. Or at least the meta read is going to be shallow as I know that it is wrong here. I know that you replaced into my scum slot but you haven't really engaged with me as players with me being scum and you being town so for you to call me on a scumtell is a little bit unsettling.

I don't understand Margot's scumread on me either. I wasn't exactly trying to do a galaxy brain play, just trying to move the game out of RVS. I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically. Is it because they come off as forced or something else entirely? I have no clue, just that they don't like my posts and that they don't like the AtE coming from my slot (which I don't really spot, but okay).

Of all the votes on me, ChaosOmega's vote makes the most sense to me and he has explained why he thinks my opening comes off poorly and I can see why. Overall though there's just not enough content in his ISO for me to feel comfortable giving him a solidified read. Similarly, Aristeia is in the same boat. Just not enough posts for me to feel comfortable giving a settled read on. Hopefully that changes by the end of the day.

Few things here:
- Why wouldn't you address Margot's read on you in her read list when I asked you about her in 271?
- How can you say here "I'm not exactly sure what's to dislike about my posts directed to Salsabil Faria specifically" when you said in 15/19 that you saw the possibility to receive votes for your post directed to Salsabil Faria?
- You criticize ssbm for using meta against you, but I also used meta against you in 271. Why push her and not me for it?

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I'm aware that I'm sort of tunneled here at this point, I don't have any other strong reads right now. I don't feel great about Dwlee, but it's more a vibe than anything, don't have a case to make (and also the last time I played with Dwlee they were town and I pushed them, so this might just be a bias I have against their posting style).


datisi have you opened the ISO?
T3, has your read changed on Mewtaph since 118?

[DkKoba]

oh i accidentally seeded my respone in the quote lmao

but yep

look at this


look at this fucking depth in his read


its fucking wrong as shit but he didnt fucking fabricate this shit its a genuine thought process.

[Datisi]

i know how to open his iso. what about those posts is supposed to be good.

[DkKoba]

WAIT WHAT THE FUCK

you said chaos voted when at a point when scum bus


HE CONSOLIDATED THEN DIDNT MOVE VOTE WHILE YOU TRIED TO CW ONTO DWLEE WHAT

im crying lol

cmon datisi

[DkKoba]

ok ur fucking tunneled as fuck im not bothering


if you refuse to unbend ur pride regarding your theory on chaos im just done .


ive given you literally mounds of evidence of chaos town and salsa scum

ok maybe not mounds


but compared to the evidence for salsa town chaos scum

its pretty fucking good


and i just hard see that the "chaos was in a bussing position for IV" is debunked becuase he *CONSOLIDATED THERE INSTEAD OF JOINING ANY OF THE COUNTERWAGONS*

like WHAT?

[DkKoba]

LIKE final votecount shows chaos at the front of it because he kept his vote there EOD and didnt bother with any of the counterwagons.



margot was literally confirmed the deepscum


i just cant wow.

[DkKoba]

this game is such a trip finding new reasons that support my reality lol

[DkKoba]

votecount 1.14

T3 (5) :

Salsabil Faria ; Roden ; Aristeia ; Datsi ; Datisi

Exe-2

Innocentvillager (2) :

ChaosOmega ; Not_Mafia

MargotRosa (2) :

innocentvillager ; Mewtaph

ssbm_Kyouko (2) :

Dwlee99 ; T3

Not_Mafia (1) :

ssbm_Kyouko

Not voting (1) :

MargotRosa

Day 1 ends in (expired on 2021-10-01 20:18:31) or when a wagon reaches majority at 7 votes

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