penguin_alien (1): ArcAngel9
Jal (1): Allyra
Not voting (5): Jal, penguin_alien, Slandaar, wind-up, PeregrineV
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In post 3344, Allyra wrote:In post 3336, PeregrineV wrote:@Allyra- I think you are town from your entry posts, but let's cover all bases.
What are you talking about heather and johnny? And what is scummy about my posting (this is more for fmi since I hear it all the time)?
both of your and jal's replacements. your posts aren't scummy on their own but in relation to flipped blue scum. you are almost certainly not red based on how you went after dv unless you decided to bus for no reason whatsoever, especially with him being bp. oh and a side note, it's probably the redscum that had the ability to mess with the vote count on day two. Matt was getting run up and was equal with AJ when the x5 happened. anyway, you're not that...pretty sure.
if you're scum you're blue. the thing that makes me pause on you being blue scum is the day four lynch. jal was the early front runner for a lynch and you pushed for dv and decided she was most likely town. true you couldn't have known at the time that the lynch would fall onto tml, but it seems it would have been much preferable for you as blue to lynch jal if she were town. you definitely wouldn't have been to blame for the lynch and it would have bought you an extra day. i'll have to look at how that day went down again. lynching red scum may have been more preferable though as blue scum.
In post 3346, Slandaar wrote:In post 3335, PeregrineV wrote:
Let's start with Slandaar.
why are you ignoring everything I'm asking you?
And you keep trying to confirm yourself as town.
Since that's not going to happen without proof, walk me through whatever posts you need to prove you are not bluescum. Do it like I'm 6.
Oh Hi PV!
OK
I lynched TML?
There is a reason I don't answer some questions.
In post 3348, Jal wrote:I've thought about it.
I agree that our best bet is to lynch blue scum.
I don't think Allyra is scum. I also don't think AA is either. Slaandar had a lot of sway, so if he's scum, why would he attack Baby scum and then help switch the wagon off of me to go lynch blue scum? His interaction with PV really hits as him being town.
To me, it's PV, PA, and Wind-up. I am not sure if Wind-up is scum, I can see him on either side though. PV's plea to me kinda looks townish. If he's town only Wind-up can be blue scum from my point of view.
Urgh.
Okay PV work with me, who is blue scum?
Slaandar, do you think AA was faking being oblivious at the start of today? That looked town to me.
In post 2863, penguin_alien wrote:Allyra, I wasn't voting ArcAngel9 for defensiveness. My ISO as a recent replacement is pretty short and I think explains my reasoning pretty clearly, but the short version is that her jump onto Albus Dumbledore was really bad when considering her purported scum reads at the time and the hammer on JacobSavage was abysmal. Her refusal to acknowledge this, particularly the last point, is shady to me, but a lot of people seem willing to hand-wave it away as bad play. I'm not.
Having said that, the case on The Mini-Librarian is pretty bad if it really was expected that TML would be protecting B&B the night blue scum opted to kill B&B. Even if red had a roleblocker, why would they block TML and then not go after B&B themselves? Given that the other cases being put forward are the one on Jal, which stems from an erroneous assumption about blue scum kill knowledge and connections to Baby Spice that have yet to be divulged (Darthe, I'm listening), and a push on Edosurist that feels half-assed at best:
VOTE: The Mini-Librarian
In post 3353, PeregrineV wrote:In post 3347, Slandaar wrote:
There may be more, but those are in long-term memory, and while you were more lurky in Blood Bowl, your evasiveness now is not helping anything.
In post 3354, PeregrineV wrote:
I also gave windup=town reasoning (3206 and 3256).
Can you follow the logic?
Do you agree or disagree with it?
I specifically think 2847 proves you are not bluescum. You brought up actual scumminess by a player under heavy suspicion and explained it all in one sentence. At that point you were no longer in danger, and you could have diverted the wagon from TML or just ignored it if you were bluescum.
Agree or disagree (with the logic behind my conclusion)?
In post 3355, Allyra wrote:In post 2863, penguin_alien wrote:Allyra, I wasn't voting ArcAngel9 for defensiveness. My ISO as a recent replacement is pretty short and I think explains my reasoning pretty clearly, but the short version is that her jump onto Albus Dumbledore was really bad when considering her purported scum reads at the time and the hammer on JacobSavage was abysmal. Her refusal to acknowledge this, particularly the last point, is shady to me, but a lot of people seem willing to hand-wave it away as bad play. I'm not.
Having said that, the case on The Mini-Librarian is pretty bad if it really was expected that TML would be protecting B&B the night blue scum opted to kill B&B. Even if red had a roleblocker, why would they block TML and then not go after B&B themselves? Given that the other cases being put forward are the one on Jal, which stems from an erroneous assumption about blue scum kill knowledge and connections to Baby Spice that have yet to be divulged (Darthe, I'm listening), and a push on Edosurist that feels half-assed at best:
VOTE: The Mini-Librarian
Why did you vote tml in the same post you claim the case against him is bad?
In post 2811, Jal wrote:
In post 2808, Slandaar wrote:Eh I think TML is blue scum.
Stop.
TML casts his first vote serious vote in the game against scumbuddy Thez who had no prior suspicion vs keeping it on his RVS vote or choosing among 23 other choices he could probably fixate on?
No.
In post 2838, Albus Dumbledore wrote: Excuse the huge wall of quotes, but just take a look at how he goes from saying that he'll vote Edo if my wagon dies to jumping on Jacob's wagon without ever mentioning him AFTER the Baby Spice wagon builds up.
In post 3360, Slandaar wrote:The abrupt nature and strength of the accusations were only ever made on two people!
Slandaar wrote:Could TML really have tried a last ditch distancing attempt with the final Blue scum Edo?
In post 3360, Slandaar wrote:The abrupt nature and strength of the accusations were only ever made on two people!
In post 512, The Mini-Librarian wrote:um, yeah.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: idiotking
the top half of 511 does not lead to a b&b vote in any way. Fabricated read etc.
In post 718, The Mini-Librarian wrote:Time to consolidate these wagons now. Day needs to end. My motivation is dying.
I think the evidence against nj is much, much more convincing than the sixx wagon so...
VOTE: nj
In post 998, The Mini-Librarian wrote:Since I'm terribly behind, I iso'd ztife to see what the ruckus was all about.
I saw 916, threw up a little bit in my mouth and made this post.
VOTE: ztife
In post 3365, Slandaar wrote:He never uses the word scum in those posts so the strength is infinitely weaker.
He never had anything close to a 3 word 'this guy is scum' in there so yeah abruptness stands also.
Slandaar wrote:And I don't know his meta and don't care; you 'knowing' more means nothing.
Slandaar wrote:It appears you had the time to post though which is shall we say... interesting.
In post 3361, wind-up wrote:
Do scum ever do that? TML certainly didn't try a last ditch distancing attempt with me when I played with him in, oh, my most recently completed game on site.
In post 3362, wind-up wrote:
So I'm pretty confident that I know more about TML's scum meta than you.
In post 3363, wind-up wrote:
"does not lead to a b&b vote in any way. Fabricated read etc." Any prior suspicion of idiotking? Nope!
In post 3363, wind-up wrote:
"the evidence against nj is much, much more convincing than the sixx wagon"
In post 3364, wind-up wrote:Meta Post
In post 3368, Slandaar wrote:In post 3361, wind-up wrote:
Do scum ever do that? TML certainly didn't try a last ditch distancing attempt with me when I played with him in, oh, my most recently completed game on site.
He didn't do it there so he didn't do it here!
That isn't quite how it works.
In post 3368, Slandaar wrote:In post 3361, wind-up wrote:In post 3362, wind-up wrote:
So I'm pretty confident that I know more about TML's scum meta than you.
So? what are you saying? I am wrong because you have more experience with him?
Nope that doesn't make sense; I can still be right.
In post 3368, Slandaar wrote:He only was really strong on 2 votes; one of which was thez the other... your slot. Because he knew he was right.
In post 3370, wind-up wrote:
It isn't, yeah. The burden of proof IS yours after all, and you still have to show that scum -- and TML specifically -- do pull 'last ditch distancing attempts'.