Open 614: Diffusion of Power (THE TOWN WINS!)

[Aj The Epic]

I might just take a Kop lynch today and see if we get a cop to clear out TimHoward. Would probably be an easier way about this.

[TimHoward]

I might just take a Kop lynch today and see if we get a cop to clear out TimHoward. Would probably be an easier way about this.

I think this is town.

Scum would be motivated to just keep the vote on and hope for our inevitable lynch.

Also, if AJ was scum, it would be awfully weird to push a Kop lynch right now, whether Kop was scum or town. Especially given that as I feel like I'm getting lynched and I'm pushing for a Kop lynch and not an AJ lynch, that would mean AJ is avoiding suspicion if me/BBT did get mislynched, so a scum!AJ should be ok with our mislynch since I'm directing the suspicion in the wrong place in a scum!AJ scenario.

This basically conftowns AJ and thus White Fire for me.

[Kop]

Kop, his decision to jump on and put to L-1 feels out of place (as well as his sudden unshakable belief that flow was scum off some 'scum claim' of a new player).

I didn't put Flow on L-1.

I read that post time and time again to see if I could see whether it was a newb mistake, or a slip that he didn't mean to post out, and it pointed towards the latter, with his day one antics all rolled into it. He knew he would be brought under suspicion for how he drove KT's wagon, and he would be questioned, all rolled into one, he made his slip. That was my take on it.

Ok cool. Kop's also been disengaged, which is a scumtell of his. He was scum in Delicious (on the other faction) and was disengaged until he had to be engaged.

In the 6-2-1 micro, Kop was very engaged as town.

I haven't even paid attention to Kop this game, which is why he's probably slipped under my radar...because of the low level of engagement from him.

VOTE: Kop

Ever since that 6-2-1 game, I've been disengaged in the games since participating in that one. I play mafia games over on another site, and I have been disengaged in town and scum over on that site.

Your post #407.

Pano voted for Flow Alpha.

[Kop]

I will get to this properly tomorrow. I've had a long day at work, and I've had a lot on my plate, personal life stuff, not had the best weekend

[TimHoward]

Pano voted for Flow Alpha.

Shit, you're right. I might be wrong somewhere then.

Wanderer was off the FA wagon. I wonder if Wanderer unvoted me because they were nervous I had it down to you and them.

Hmmmmmmmm.

[Wanderer-nl]

That took a bit longer than I expected..

TimHoward's latest posts to me felt like he was really trying to help town, instead of focussing on surviving themselves. Also, him calling me town one post and then among the scum on their wagon the next makes me think he's town. I think scum would try to be more consistent.

(I thought I posted this already and got distracted again)

I'm getting all kinds of paranoid now so am going to let other people talk for a while.

[Anatole Kuragin]

That took a bit longer than I expected..

TimHoward's latest posts to me felt like he was really trying to help town, instead of focussing on surviving themselves. Also, him calling me town one post and then among the scum on their wagon the next makes me think he's town. I think scum would try to be more consistent.

(I thought I posted this already and got distracted again)

I'm getting all kinds of paranoid now so am going to let other people talk for a while.

Your entire argument for him being town is WIFOM

[Aj The Epic]

I don't see why my wagon would have scum. Why would scum vote other scum?

You what mate?

VOTE: Flow Alpha

I believe that is L-1.

[davesaz]

VOTE: Kop

[Tatsuya Kaname]

Official Vote Count

TimHoward

(3): Kop, Aj The Epic, texcat

Kop

(2): TimHoward, davesaz

Not Voting

(4): White Fire, Anatole Kuragin, Panopticon, Wanderer-nl

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-23 18:00:00)

[TimHoward]

Fro99er head is V/LA until Thursday

[Panopticon]

Can I say that I'm not crazy about either of these wagons? I have mixed feelings on both;
TimHoward feels town, and I appreciate him not self-hammering under pressure. I liked his play throughout the last few days, although his interaction with Flow Alpha did strike me as a bit weird--dude feel off the wagon once it was deemed fine to do so. The AJ wagon was definitely a counter-wagon proposed by Flow Alpha, so I've been skeptical of White Fire and Tim for ditching the FA wagon to go for what was a really shitty wagon on AJ.
Kop's had a decent presence all game and I haven't seen anything that pings scum for me there yet, although Flow's Alpha's blowing up at the end of D1 did make me unsure of the slot when we headed into D2. iirc, FA's last post called me, Kop, and White Fire the most town people in the game. That bit of WIFOM bothered the shit out of me.
I was really suspicious of White Fire's handling of the wagon at the end of D2 and I'd be voting for White Fire right now if it wasn't for AJ's clear.
I've got a solid read on AJ. Out of all the people that got cold feet when it came to the FA wagon, AJ's pull-out made the most sense to me, and AJ's cop claim makes sense to me now.

Honestly, I think the person who looks the worst right now is Anatole.
He was verbally against the Flow Alpha wagon, calling it lynchbait.
He went for a Davsto wagon for awhile and now we know Davsto is town.
He led a White Fire wagon, who is now practically confirmed as town.
He made a weak push and vote for me early, and I am confirmed to myself as town.
He hasn't been present at all today except to call out Wanderer's defense of Tim Howard (which is a flashwagon, imo).
He's been generally lurky all game.
VOTE: Anatole Kuragin

Edited for Votecounter.

[Panopticon]

This is the Varsoon head, by the way.

The mod can confirm that I never received a Day Start PM on my main account.

I really need to talk to the tn head about things, but this is where I am right now.

[Tatsuya Kaname]

This is the Varsoon head, by the way.

The mod can confirm that I never received a Day Start PM on my main account.

I really need to talk to the tn head about things, but this is where I am right now.

Actually, I didn't send. Sorry, my fault. I will send a

late

daystart PM to all players, NOT including Hydra main accounts. And it won't count as a prod.

[White Fire]

Can I say that I'm not crazy about either of these wagons? I have mixed feelings on both;
TimHoward feels town, and I appreciate him not self-hammering under pressure. I liked his play throughout the last few days, although his interaction with Flow Alpha did strike me as a bit weird--dude feel off the wagon once it was deemed fine to do so. The AJ wagon was definitely a counter-wagon proposed by Flow Alpha, so I've been skeptical of White Fire and Tim for ditching the FA wagon to go for what was a really shitty wagon on AJ.
Kop's had a decent presence all game and I haven't seen anything that pings scum for me there yet, although Flow's Alpha's blowing up at the end of D1 did make me unsure of the slot when we headed into D2. iirc, FA's last post called me, Kop, and White Fire the most town people in the game. That bit of WIFOM bothered the shit out of me.
I was really suspicious of White Fire's handling of the wagon at the end of D2 and I'd be voting for White Fire right now if it wasn't for AJ's clear.
I've got a solid read on AJ. Out of all the people that got cold feet when it came to the FA wagon, AJ's pull-out made the most sense to me, and AJ's cop claim makes sense to me now.

Honestly, I think the person who looks the worst right now is Anatole.
He was verbally against the Flow Alpha wagon, calling it lynchbait.
He went for a Davsto wagon for awhile and now we know Davsto is town.
He led a White Fire wagon, who is now practically confirmed as town.
He made a weak push and vote for me early, and I am confirmed to myself as town.
He hasn't been present at all today except to call out Wanderer's defense of Tim Howard (which is a flashwagon, imo).
He's been generally lurky all game.
VOTE: Anatole Kuragin

Edited for Votecounter.

I actually liked this post alot.
I was scumreading you up until this....

Damn I didn't even really think of AK at all this game.
Been kind of just 'there'

hmmm.

Sheeping:
VOTE: Anatole Kuragin

[White Fire]

I feel at this time going for either TH or AK right now. Unsure of Kop, but I feel in my gut I am wrong about suspecting them.

My other head thinks TH is town.

And thinks lynching Kop or Pano (who I am oddly now leaning town for first time this game)

-Fire

[Wanderer-nl]

Not a lot of time, gotta run in couple mins. Will post some thoughts tonight, but I do like the case on Anatole at first glance.

[Wanderer-nl]

Your entire argument for him being town is WIFOM

So how about you tell us how you feel about TimHoward then?

[Kop]

I read through the ISO, of Anatole, and there isn't a great deal there. I don't think he's ever been suspected yet, I think he would have been given a lot more hadn't Flow took over day one and two. It's kind of worrying that he has yet to attract any real attention because he just seems to pop up every now and again and disappears again, I even forgot he was a player in this game.

AK, what reads do you actually have?

[TimHoward]

Still on VLA till thurs but going to UNVOTE:

[Tatsuya Kaname]

Official Vote Count

TimHoward

(3): Kop, Aj The Epic, texcat

Anatole Kuragin

(2): Panopticon, White Fire

Kop

(1): davesaz

Not Voting

(3): Anatole Kuragin, Wanderer-nl, TimHoward

With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2015-11-23 18:00:00)

[texcat]

I'd like to hear Anatole's response to Panopticon's post.
I'd like to hear TimHoward's thoughts on Anatole.

[Anatole Kuragin]

I'd rather vote White Fire than TimHoward probably.

Honestly, I think the person who looks the worst right now is Anatole.
He was verbally against the Flow Alpha wagon, calling it lynchbait.
He went for a Davsto wagon for awhile and now we know Davsto is town.
He led a White Fire wagon, who is now practically confirmed as town.
He made a weak push and vote for me early, and I am confirmed to myself as town.
He hasn't been present at all today except to call out Wanderer's defense of Tim Howard (which is a flashwagon, imo).
He's been generally lurky all game.

This is the worst case in mafia history, that's how I feel about it.

[Anatole Kuragin]

He made a weak push and vote for me early, and I am confirmed to myself as town.

this comment in particular is literally retarded

[Anatole Kuragin]

He made a weak push and vote for me early, and I am confirmed to myself as town.

this comment in particular is literally

retarded

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