Mini 1633 ~ Non-normal Mafias Mafia OVER!!!

[Ghostlin]

In fact, if there's something that was sort of missing recently, it's a depressing lack of context: Four, Titus and Midget are all absent of that.

Also, relation-ally speaking, I'm much more secure about ika Town than some folks. Although that tells us fuck-all about Titus's alignment.

[FourTrouble]

VOTE: Om

Based on this page alone, Pasch gets a sheep.

I like this entrance. Pretty natural, honest, towny.

@TN, The argument isn't forced. I just don't get what his problem is.

As for why sheeping, I cannot help but read the page I say hello on. It happens. Without context, Om looked bad. Plus a calm and reserved player like Paschendale generally does not tunnel like that. So sheeping would at least get me reads and see how everyone else felt. It gets us away ftom policy and towards discussion.

And I like this explanation. And I agree with what he's saying - out of context, Om wasn't obvious town from that page. So both these posts give me a townread on Titus.

[Om of the Nom]

the case on zombeh was not founded on lurking and the more you continue to make it like that the less people are going to listen to you pasch
you are summing up my entire case as a policy lynch when clearly you havent read anything ive actually said about zombeh

titus tho
she doesnt feel like the titus ive played with before
there is a lack of content in what she is saying and zero conviction in pushes
i do not believe she really thinks i am scum at this point but she hasn't done anything else

[FourTrouble]

I'm pretty confident that Om, eye, and Titus are town.

[eyestott]

Why do you think Om is not active? He is to me.

The Om focus is to generate conflict and force people to take sides and make reads easier. I could have focused on anyone but getting details from Pasch helps me read both.

Why do you not want to discuss Om? What is your read on him?

Sorry, the other active players.
I never said I didnt want to discuss Om.
I'm not sure on my Om read anymore.
Ill have another look at the case on him, then ill make a decision.

[eyestott]

Why do you think Om is not active? He is to me.

The Om focus is to generate conflict and force people to take sides and make reads easier. I could have focused on anyone but getting details from Pasch helps me read both.

Why do you not want to discuss Om? What is your read on him?

So fat,
mathdino is town
Flubbererer is town
Om is town
Ika is town
Eyestott aint
VOTE: eyestott

Sigh
Reasons?

[eyestott]

So fat,
mathdino is town
Flubbererer is town
Om is town
Ika is town
Eyestott aint
VOTE: eyestott

Why? I agree with most. (Uncertain on ika scumreading Om). Why not Om/Eye?

"Why not eye" what? Why not townread?

[eyestott]

I'm pretty confident that Om, eye, and Titus are town.

I'm interested. What makes you 99% sure I'm town? I mean, I'm not objecting, but why the almost certainty?

[Titus]

the case on zombeh was not founded on lurking and the more you continue to make it like that the less people are going to listen to you pasch
you are summing up my entire case as a policy lynch when clearly you havent read anything ive actually said about zombeh

titus tho
she doesnt feel like the titus ive played with before
there is a lack of content in what she is saying and zero conviction in pushes
i do not believe she really thinks i am scum at this point but she hasn't done anything else

We've played together? When?

I figure the game out by interactions. You expect the game solved within a day of me replacing in. Sounds like you are trying to justify my mislynch. Well good luck. Ika will vote me.

I don't know who is scum yet. That's why it's called scum hunting.

@FourTrouble, why is Om town? Why would Pasch be so confident in something so wrong?

[Paschendale]

Om, what the hell in seven posts gives you that much of a case? The self-vote that was a new player giving up on a game they weren't ready for? You saw obviously newb actions and declared them scum. You had nothing to back it up. All you did was try to railroad a new player who clearly had no idea what they were doing. You had no case. You had an easy target that you tried to make a quick mislynch out of.

[ika]

1) why is Om town?
2) Why would Pasch be so confident in something so wrong?

1) do you think ohms paranoia is legit of faked?

2) as town: confirmation bias, something you know all too well
as scum: easy way to fake scum hunting, tunnel someone
as 3p: executioner target

[Om of the Nom]

Om, what the hell in seven posts gives you that much of a case? The self-vote that was a new player giving up on a game they weren't ready for? You saw obviously newb actions and declared them scum. You had nothing to back it up. All you did was try to railroad a new player who clearly had no idea what they were doing. You had no case. You had an easy target that you tried to make a quick mislynch out of.

mate
key difference between townies and scum
is the idea of trying
especially early in the game
short of a really unfavourable town role
zombehs would have zero reason to give up so early as town
but he did
after such a small amount of pressure
and i want you to tell me why town would crack under that
rather than argue against it

[Om of the Nom]

i really dont fucking understand
why the heck you come up with the assertion that new players are infallible
otherwise literally the only people who would roll scum in newbie games would be IC's and SE's

newbs can be scum
end of fucking argument
i am not pushing policy lynches on that basis
i am pushing scum lynches

[Om of the Nom]

you have failed to fucking tell me why he is town
instead you resort to shitty buzzwords (lurker and policy and newb)
you argue that he is just new
new could mean either
so therefore you have no reason to think it's on a townie without a doubt
easy targets dont just mean town
scum can be super shit too

[Om of the Nom]

Why do you think Om is not active? He is to me.

The Om focus is to generate conflict and force people to take sides and make reads easier. I could have focused on anyone but getting details from Pasch helps me read both.

Why do you not want to discuss Om? What is your read on him?

Sorry, the other active players.
I never said I didnt want to discuss Om.

I'm not sure on my Om read anymore.
Ill have another look at the case on him, then ill make a decision.

you are making me so much happier with random's vote
at the height of the argument you change your views without reason
now that the tables are beginning to turn so do you

[eyestott]

Why do you think Om is not active? He is to me.

The Om focus is to generate conflict and force people to take sides and make reads easier. I could have focused on anyone but getting details from Pasch helps me read both.

Why do you not want to discuss Om? What is your read on him?

Sorry, the other active players.
I never said I didnt want to discuss Om.

I'm not sure on my Om read anymore.
Ill have another look at the case on him, then ill make a decision.

you are making me so much happier with random's vote
at the height of the argument you change your views without reason
now that the tables are beginning to turn so do you

I will explain this.
First though, can you tell me your scum reads, your town reads, and your null reads?
Reasoning is not needed.

[Om of the Nom]

you are either way at this point, but im enjoying the idea of scum you more and more
flubber is town
four is town
fud is a lurkershit
ghostlin is town
ika is town
dino could still be scum prolly more than the rest of the lurkers
mtd is a lurkerfuck
pasch is extremely controversial and obv bc hes against me i want to call him scum but im not sure on that based on his insistence
random is town
titus is scum
tn is likely town

[eyestott]

if you asked me to say whether I was town, null, or scumreading you at the moment, what do you think I would say?
With Fud and MTD, please just say town, scum, or null.

[Om of the Nom]

at this point they have lurked to the point of null
i think you are gonna say town
but
i still think you are super shady

[eyestott]

What do you think of OMGUS?

[Om of the Nom]

who's GUS
ahahahahaha

no but
omgus isnt a great tell

[eyestott]

Also, what do you think Ghostlin's read of you is?
And could you clarify your read for Math? is it a null or a scum read? What makes him scummier than the other lurkers?
PS: Ive found out that this is not the only game he isnt posting in, and he has probable reason which i cannot say, as id be breaking the rules.
P.edit: XD
Are you saying you aren't a fan of it?

[Om of the Nom]

ghostlin could b seeing me as town
not sure on it tho
math is scummier than the others largely in part due to my trust in early game reads which in the past have always been more accurate than my later D1 reads, and the activity elsewhere doesnt help
I think mtd has siteflaked too, and fud is just absent as shit and i dont know why

omgus is a lame tell
i am not a fan of using it
but could care less if others do
its not an argument thats gonna change my mind

[Om of the Nom]

at this point tho
i am just fuckign sick of lurkers in this game
everyone needs to post often enough to be read by everyone
because as pasch seems to think its impossible for ppl to be read with less than 8 posts it would benefit him for sure :P

[eyestott]

Why do you think Om is not active? He is to me.

The Om focus is to generate conflict and force people to take sides and make reads easier. I could have focused on anyone but getting details from Pasch helps me read both.

Why do you not want to discuss Om? What is your read on him?

Sorry, the other active players.
I never said I didnt want to discuss Om.

I'm not sure on my Om read anymore.
Ill have another look at the case on him, then ill make a decision.

So, this was a reaction test. I saw something suspicious about Om, and wanted to test it out. Up until here, Om and I were townreading eachother, yeah?
I noticed that practically all of Om's reads were mirroring how people read him. So I decided to say this, and make it look like my Om townread was weakening, so I would see whether Om's read on me would change.

you are making me so much happier with random's vote

at the height of the argument you change your views without reason
now that the tables are beginning to turn so do you

So, Initially I was reading Om as town, yeah?
Hey! Om was townreading me!
But as soon as my read on Om looks a bit more nullish, Om's read on me becomes more nullish too!
"But eyestott! Surely its just you, right?"
Nope!
Check this out:

I see most of what you're saying as bad play over scum play. Except maybe the policy lynches

So, flubber is reading Om as town, yeah?
Hey! Om is townreading flubber!

I'm pretty confident that

Om

, eye, and Titus are town.

So, FourTrouble is reading Om as town, yeah?
Hey! Om is townreading FourTrouble!

Hey I forgot Om is in the game, a remember a newbie games eons ago where he rage quit and PMed me about a player in the game after he did so.

Oh the memories.

VOTE: om

While FuD is voting Om, this is an obvious RVS vote, so we have no idea how FuD is reading Om.
So, as far as we know, FuD is reading Om as null, yeah?
Hey! Om is nullreading FuD!

i said provide examples and you have failed to do so
as far as im concerned you are pulling things out of ur ass

You demanded examples of you not doing things. Do you realize that this is insane? Honestly, I don't care what you say. I have no interest in what you think of why I know that you're scum. I don't need your approval to show your alignment to everyone else. I don't know why anyone cares about your whining and yelling about it. Your "defense" has been little more than saying "nuh uh!"

So listen up everyone else, Om is going to lie in her defense. There is no doubt of that. If you, who might actually be town and legitimately interested in scumhunting, have questions about why I think she's scum, go ahead. I'd be happy to answer actual questions. But her questions aren't questions. They're stall tactics and attempts at deflection. We all saw her barreling ahead to get lynches in as fast as possible. She said NOTHING about holding off or not going ahead with these lynches until she was called out on it. The caution she claims to have had wasn't there. She isn't pushing lynches based on actual content. She is avoiding that at all costs. She's spent a week pushing what essentially amounts to policy lynches. Apparently, she townreads EVERYONE WHO IS POSTING (except me because I'm going after her). Seriously? That's complete bullshit. She's scum. She was trying to play it safe. And then she doubled down too hard on her scum tactics.

Question: do you feel that pushing for policy lynches is innately scummy? Please give me more than a 'yes' or 'no' to this question; I need to see the thought process.

I do agree you cannot arguably prove a negative, that's why they call it a fucking negative. Can you give a point of reference for the dumb kids in the back of the class (ie, me) that demonstrate the behaviors we're listing off?

I see most of what you're saying as bad play over scum play. Except maybe the policy lynches

Same question as to Pasch: do you see that as inherently scummy?

So, Ghostlin looks to be defending Om here, yeah?
So, as far as we know, Ghostlin is reading Om as town, yeah?
Hey! Om is Townreading Ghostlin!

What is your read on him?

seeing how eye is voting with ohm, probally a town read

So, ika is reading Om as town, yeah?
Hey! Om is townreading ika!

Mathdino hasnt mentioned Om.
So, as far as we know, Math is reading Om as null, yeah?
Hey! Om is mostly nullreading Math!

MTD hasnt mentioned Om.
So, as far as we know, MTD is reading Om as null, yeah?
Hey! Om is nullreading MTD!

i said provide examples and you have failed to do so
as far as im concerned you are pulling things out of ur ass

You demanded examples of you not doing things. Do you realize that this is insane? Honestly, I don't care what you say. I have no interest in what you think of why I know that you're scum. I don't need your approval to show your alignment to everyone else. I don't know why anyone cares about your whining and yelling about it. Your "defense" has been little more than saying "nuh uh!"

So listen up everyone else, Om is going to lie in her defense. There is no doubt of that. If you, who might actually be town and legitimately interested in scumhunting, have questions about why I think she's scum, go ahead. I'd be happy to answer actual questions. But her questions aren't questions. They're stall tactics and attempts at deflection. We all saw her barreling ahead to get lynches in as fast as possible. She said NOTHING about holding off or not going ahead with these lynches until she was called out on it. The caution she claims to have had wasn't there. She isn't pushing lynches based on actual content. She is avoiding that at all costs. She's spent a week pushing what essentially amounts to policy lynches. Apparently, she townreads EVERYONE WHO IS POSTING (except me because I'm going after her). Seriously? That's complete bullshit. She's scum. She was trying to play it safe. And then she doubled down too hard on her scum tactics.

So, Paschendale is reading Om as scum, yeah?
Hey! Om is (wanting to be, and has acted/is acting like he is) scumreading Paschendale!

So fat,
mathdino is town
Flubbererer is town
Om is town
Ika is town
Eyestott aint
VOTE: eyestott

So, random is reading Om as town, yeah?
Hey! Om is townreading random!

It's not a total sheep. Like I said, your posting on the last page felt off and it generates very helpful interactions.

So, Titus is reading Om as scum, yeah?
Hey! Om is scumreading Titus!

You say that you've got a fine read on om implying that he is trying to rush lynches through. Would you mind quoting a post or two of what you feel are the most overt examples and walk us through how you arrived at scum!om?

Furthermore, could you explain how removing a lurker from the game can in any way considered to be a loss? It removes a negative utility player from the game, something that scum will NEVER do intentionally. I would honestly say the situation since 359 hasn't changed much. How long are we going to run around in circles before eventually deciding to lynch the most prolific lurker, anyway? Not that I'm against argument, but this one does not seem like it will be productive any time soon. We've established that you disagree about what sort of things to do on day one and that you feel anyone using a d1 theory that you aren't is your top scumread because Fucking Moon Logic. I would even say that pasch/om is doing more to slow down the game than the recent holiday season did.

So, tn5421 is defending Om, and looks to be (but isnt explicitly) reading Om as town, yeah?
Hey! Om is likely-townreading tn5421!

People who have played with Om before: Is this something town Om does, something scum Om does, both, or neither?

omgus is a lame tell
i am not a fan of using it

Huh.
Care to comment, Om?