Hey all. I didn't post for the past 2 days because quite frankly, I almost got a headache after getting home from work and seeing pages of rambling. However, I re-read the thread and noted what everyone said, so I think I can give a legitimate analysis now. These are in no particular order, only the order I wrote names down as I read the first few pages.
vollkan: I don't like how vollkan has been playing. I may be alone in this, but he seems to be way too aggressive in his posting. When he sees something scummy he jumps on it with a vengeance. This may or may not be scummy, but I'm not liking it right now, even if it did jump start our discussions. In particular, how he catapulted the theory discussion with Mills and how he has questinoed many player's first responses so intensely.
Ythill: He was the biggest opponent to Mills in the argument over the vote on me. He accused Mills of vote hopping even though he only made 2 votes total, and says Mills jumped off the wagon once a little suspicion was given to it. Although I agree that this was sort of scummy, I don't think Ythill really questioned the wagon seriously enough to warrent the attention of scum. If Mills jumped off for that reason, I don't think it was very well thought out.
Also, while I'm at it, to respond to Ythill: I suspected Mills, but I didn't want the endless discussion of his vote to be the only thing we looked at. I'm not saying ignore my reason for suspicion, but rather not focus on it as the only thing we ever talk about.
spurgistan: My notes are non-existant on spurg. It is the holidays, so I suspect we won't be hearing from him for a little while, but when he returns I fully expect a detailed response to what has been going on in the thread. Lurking is bad, but lurking with a non-retractable deadline is worse. Let's see some of your opinion.
Dean Harper: Dean hasn't really contributed all that much, even though he isn't lurking. He thought Mills was pro-town because he questioned KradDrol's lurking, but that doesn't seem like more than a gut feeling, and I agree with Jennar's argument against that logic. Other than that, he has re-hashed the suspicion of Hypatia's wagon comment and Ythill and vollkan's questioning of Mills' vote on me. Blending in is not good, and I'd like to see Dean distinguish himself from the pack a bit more.
Mills: Ah, Mills, the focal point of day 1. He drew a great deal of attention and negative feedback to himself with his vote on me and to a lesser extent his withdrawel from the spurg wagon. At first I saw this suspicion as quite silly and gave some suspicion to it, but after a re-read of the thread it seems players jumped on him for it a little too much. It was vote 2 out of 7 to lynch me, and he even said it was based on gut feeling at a time where you can't really go off much more, yet we all, including me, leapt on him for it. He has made some other questionable remarks, such as his suspicion of KradDrol for not joining in on the almost useless theory discussion, but after looking at it I don't think Mills is as scummy as I first thought.
Hypatia: I've noticed only two things really from Hypatia. One, she gave the fourth vote in the spurg wagon. Two, she gave some logic on bandwagons. The first was questioned because she asked spurg to respond, which I don't find unreasonable at all. If the point of a bandwagon is to get a reaction, then why would we continue a wagon without seeing the voted person's opinion first? That's what I took from the comment, and that's why I didn't see it as scummy. The second was questioned as a possible hint to a second scum, which at that point in the day doesn't seem warranted. Hypatia had to explain that what, 3 or 4 times? Yet she still gets questions on it. Because she didn't fully explain her comment on the nature of bandwagons the first time, she had to explain it over and over? No, this does not mean I have her exonerated from suspicion, just that these two focal points seem like silly things to focus on.
Jennar: He lurked for a long time, but his first real post had some good logic to it. I disagree with his first point about lurking to bait scum, as town will jump on that as eagerly as scum will, but the other argument (the two points were essentially the same), which said that setting a precedent for scum that lets the mafia mold their play style, is spot on. We have to play knowing that not only is the mafia reading, they are actively contributing to the discussion, and anything we warn to each other is warned equally to the bad guys. Now the thing I don't like about Jennar is that although his points were spurred by events in this game, he has yet to focus on what has actually occurred in the day as opposed to just talking about pitfalls to avoid. I'd like to see Jennar talk some about the players in the game and not just false logic spread in it.
Mookeh: He hasn't distinguished himself very much either. All he has really said from what I saw was basically that Mills' questioning of KadDrol's lurking isn't a scum-tell nor a town-tell, which I agree with to a certain extent. Scum can "scumhunt" just as much as town can, but they can only legitimately do it for so long before they lead the town to actual mafia players. You are correct in that one instance of scumhunting isn't an automatic town tell, but if he keeps it up it sure makes him look a lot better than other candidates. Aside from that comment, like Dean, you really haven't stood out in my mind, which I hope you can change soon.
Mr. President: The worst lurker of the bunch. Unlike spurg who hasn't been here at all, or KradDrol who purposely sat out of the theory debate, Mr. has only silently watched without contributing ANYTHING to the discussion other than one or two "hey, I'm here" posts. You can read, Mr. President, so I know you have seen what has occured here, and you can write, so I know you can comment on what you feel, so do so. Preferrably NOW.
KradDrol: After a period of lurking, which he says was intentional as to avoid joining the theory debate, he makes a few claims. One, he accuses Mills of trying to "derail" conversation with the theory debate, even though he ignores that it takes at least 2 people to debate and Mills wasn't the sole cause of the argument. Two, he also accuses Mills of vote hopping just as Ythill did, although once again 2 votes with over 2 dozen posts in between is hardly compelling evidence. Three, he says that the high post count isn't something he wants to keep up, and would rather post less often with more content. I agree with that third part, despite the terminology used, as posting this much makes other players feel like they can't add anything, which contributes to lurking. When 2 or 3 players speak everything that comes to mind, it sometimes leaves nothing unsaid and makes other players unable to butt in, and it also makes the town miss potentially important points amidst the avalanch of ideas. Despite agreeing with the third point, your first and second points just don't sit well with me, so I'm giving a
Fos: KradDrol
for your troubles.
klebian: He is currently reading through the thread, so I'll give him some leeway, especially since it is a lot to plow through, but I hope you can add something to the discussion once you know enough to join in.
Death's Door: Yes, Me. I only add me in here because I seem to mysteriously be getting absolutely no attention, even though I have lurked. Don't do that, please. I know I'm not scum, but you guys don't, so letting me slip under the radar is a terrible idea.
Sorry for the long post guys, but after the lurking I have done I thought it appropriate after a re-read. Question me on anything you like, as I know I didn't quote any posts.
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