Open 847 - Trust Fall [Game Over]

[Pavowski]

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[Pavowski]

i think limbait is a much smaller factor this game, instead of removing "weaker" players this setup seems to have an inherent tendency to remove "stronger" players who are able to determine others' alignments. consider the 4v2 yeetlo or the 3v1 yeetlo situations that will always happen here

So ... Are you suggesting somebody should trust the limbait early so as to not leave it until yeetlo?

[NorwegianboyEE]

Right now i'm feeling like Chavela has some solvey energy while Bugspray just gives me angry scum vibes.
Big difference between genuinely asking stuff and tryin to turn anything you see into a big gotcha so can look good themselves, yuck.

[bugspray]

i think limbait is a much smaller factor this game, instead of removing "weaker" players this setup seems to have an inherent tendency to remove "stronger" players who are able to determine others' alignments. consider the 4v2 yeetlo or the 3v1 yeetlo situations that will always happen here

So ... Are you suggesting somebody should trust the limbait early so as to not leave it until yeetlo?

no. letting it sit around longer gives us more time to correctly sort it.

[Pavowski]

We can still do SOCIAL DISTANCING from those we deem enemies of the state.

ok bye

It might if you had waited instead of immediately questioning the question.

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infinitely less value in that then just engaging enchant on other subjects whenever the opportunity presents itself

like if you fear that enchant is going to have limited activity

then giving enchant the opportunity to burn that limited activity on talking to you about their limited activity is kinda ... !!! right

Yes, i wanted to talk to them.
I feel Enchant would be an easy slot for me to read.
Like can u go 5 seconds without ranting about the seeming lack of logic behind my posts. I'm an completely illogical mad man u kno that right?

Enchant just kinda always pings scummy to me, it's probably a personal failing on my end

[Pavowski]

And ugh my first phone posting faux pas, it probs won't be the last

[Meuh]

Good evening everyone! Excited for this game

I really wanted to vote Meuh but I guess I won't

and why is that? What exactly drove you to want to cast a vote for "Meuh" on day 1 of this wonderful game of MafiaScum? Is it my name? Your unfamiliarity with me? If you're so terrified of anything new, I recommend seeking help. Being terrified of the unknown does nothing but make you miserable and limit your opportunities in life. If you keep going like this, I'm very scared for your future...

So I'd suggest you try new things, learn new words, familiarize yourself with the unknown, the unfamiliar, get joy out of it, thrill out of it, enrich yourself from it. Breaking those boundaries is how you'll improve yourself, how you'll prosper. and we all want prosperity, don't we?

I suggest you abandon your old life, erase your identity, and move to a new country. Obviously the life you're currently living doesn't let you reach your full potential, I'm sure you can achieve it! I have a lot of faith in you, Pavowski. Hoping you'll get past your intense agnostophobia and start living life to your fullest, to a point where seeing "Meuh" in a playerlist doesn't bring you fear; but satisfaction of knowing how much you've evolved and learned after living beyond your past limitations.

i think limbait is a much smaller factor this game, instead of removing "weaker" players this setup seems to have an inherent tendency to remove "stronger" players who are able to determine others' alignments. consider the 4v2 yeetlo or the 3v1 yeetlo situations that will always happen here

I mean this true, but I don't think it makes Norwee's point in 60 much worse? If Enchant, like Norwee thinks, imagines themselves being limbait; it's not unrealistic that they'd be less active here? Feels like Enchant posting less would be more of a bias/not fully conscious thing rather than them actively going

"oh, I'm scum, let's just post less"

, so I doubt scum!Enchant would end up posting a lot as scum here if they have a tendency not to generally.
No clue if that's true at all, idk Enchant at all

Speaking of which this playerlist is pretty fresh to me, I've only played with Norwee and Greeting iirc, so hi all the new people!

[chavela]

"oh, I'm scum, let's just post less"

hello!

do you not think that scum might think 'oh i'm scum, i need to post more' here though?

and what do you think about norwegianboyee seemingly not considering this?

[chavela]

like scum just need to get townread strongly by one person and get out yeah, to avoid having to really grind the game out,

[Pavowski]

Spoiler:

Good evening everyone! Excited for this game

I really wanted to vote Meuh but I guess I won't

and why is that? What exactly drove you to want to cast a vote for "Meuh" on day 1 of this wonderful game of MafiaScum? Is it my name? Your unfamiliarity with me? If you're so terrified of anything new, I recommend seeking help. Being terrified of the unknown does nothing but make you miserable and limit your opportunities in life. If you keep going like this, I'm very scared for your future...

So I'd suggest you try new things, learn new words, familiarize yourself with the unknown, the unfamiliar, get joy out of it, thrill out of it, enrich yourself from it. Breaking those boundaries is how you'll improve yourself, how you'll prosper. and we all want prosperity, don't we?

I suggest you abandon your old life, erase your identity, and move to a new country. Obviously the life you're currently living doesn't let you reach your full potential, I'm sure you can achieve it! I have a lot of faith in you, Pavowski. Hoping you'll get past your intense agnostophobia and start living life to your fullest, to a point where seeing "Meuh" in a playerlist doesn't bring you fear; but satisfaction of knowing how much you've evolved and learned after living beyond your past limitations.

i think limbait is a much smaller factor this game, instead of removing "weaker" players this setup seems to have an inherent tendency to remove "stronger" players who are able to determine others' alignments. consider the 4v2 yeetlo or the 3v1 yeetlo situations that will always happen here

I mean this true, but I don't think it makes Norwee's point in 60 much worse? If Enchant, like Norwee thinks, imagines themselves being limbait; it's not unrealistic that they'd be less active here? Feels like Enchant posting less would be more of a bias/not fully conscious thing rather than them actively going

"oh, I'm scum, let's just post less"

, so I doubt scum!Enchant would end up posting a lot as scum here if they have a tendency not to generally.
No clue if that's true at all, idk Enchant at all

Speaking of which this playerlist is pretty fresh to me, I've only played with Norwee and Greeting iirc, so hi all the new people!

Holy guacamole what an entrance

I just wanted to RVS somebody but you have me over here rethinking my entire life and I was not prepared for that on a Tuesday

[Pavowski]

like scum just need to get townread strongly by one person and get out yeah, to avoid having to really grind the game out,

This is not a terrible strat for either alignment imo

[Meuh]

"oh, I'm scum, let's just post less"

hello!

do you not think that scum might think 'oh i'm scum, i need to post more' here though?

and what do you think about norwegianboyee seemingly not considering this?

The point I was making was more looking at those 2 points I was responding to in a vacuum, but yeah:

I think scum would generally want to post more, since while in a regular game it'd be fine for them to just stay a general townlean for the whole game, here they more actively benefit from being townread strongly, since it helps with leaving the game.

Also, we should also particularly watch out for pocketing/duos, right? Cause scum could be scumread by everyone but strongly trusted by one person, and poof that player is a one-way ticket to victory.
Now that I've thought about it I'm gonna be 10x more paranoid about my townreads

PEdit: oops chavela just made this exact point

[chavela]

like scum just need to get townread strongly by one person and get out yeah, to avoid having to really grind the game out,

This is not a terrible strat for either alignment imo

the difficulty with it as town is that... mafia are somewhat likely to be the one strongly townreading you yeah? so encouraging town to just find the obvtowns causes an unideal situation i think

so it's generally better for the towns to try to sort everyone to not give mafia ability to just pair with widely townread player that is misreading them,

but i've also put a lot of thought into this game from the mafia perspective as i have played multiple previous versions as mafia so maybe that is messing up my view of the game,

[Meuh]

Spoiler:

Good evening everyone! Excited for this game

I really wanted to vote Meuh but I guess I won't

and why is that? What exactly drove you to want to cast a vote for "Meuh" on day 1 of this wonderful game of MafiaScum? Is it my name? Your unfamiliarity with me? If you're so terrified of anything new, I recommend seeking help. Being terrified of the unknown does nothing but make you miserable and limit your opportunities in life. If you keep going like this, I'm very scared for your future...

So I'd suggest you try new things, learn new words, familiarize yourself with the unknown, the unfamiliar, get joy out of it, thrill out of it, enrich yourself from it. Breaking those boundaries is how you'll improve yourself, how you'll prosper. and we all want prosperity, don't we?

I suggest you abandon your old life, erase your identity, and move to a new country. Obviously the life you're currently living doesn't let you reach your full potential, I'm sure you can achieve it! I have a lot of faith in you, Pavowski. Hoping you'll get past your intense agnostophobia and start living life to your fullest, to a point where seeing "Meuh" in a playerlist doesn't bring you fear; but satisfaction of knowing how much you've evolved and learned after living beyond your past limitations.

i think limbait is a much smaller factor this game, instead of removing "weaker" players this setup seems to have an inherent tendency to remove "stronger" players who are able to determine others' alignments. consider the 4v2 yeetlo or the 3v1 yeetlo situations that will always happen here

I mean this true, but I don't think it makes Norwee's point in 60 much worse? If Enchant, like Norwee thinks, imagines themselves being limbait; it's not unrealistic that they'd be less active here? Feels like Enchant posting less would be more of a bias/not fully conscious thing rather than them actively going

"oh, I'm scum, let's just post less"

, so I doubt scum!Enchant would end up posting a lot as scum here if they have a tendency not to generally.
No clue if that's true at all, idk Enchant at all

Speaking of which this playerlist is pretty fresh to me, I've only played with Norwee and Greeting iirc, so hi all the new people!

Holy guacamole what an entrance

I just wanted to RVS somebody but you have me over here rethinking my entire life and I was not prepared for that on a Tuesday

I think that's deserved for wanting to lim me

[chavela]

I think that's deserved for wanting to lim me

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voting you would be offering a trust fall

there are not eliminations in this game

[chavela]

voting you would be offering a trust fall

this is why that was kinda good post from pavowski

because it takes away the mafia's ability to come into game

rvs someone and be like

oops i didn't know guess i'm stuck with this as my offer for the day

and shape approach around that

[NorwegianboyEE]

"oh, I'm scum, let's just post less"

hello!

do you not think that scum might think 'oh i'm scum, i need to post more' here though?

and what do you think about norwegianboyee seemingly not considering this?

The difference is that an confident player will think this.
But an unconfident one will want to try to only say townie things, thus make less posts because they hate being risky due to fear of outing their own scumminess.

[Meuh]

I think that's deserved for wanting to lim me

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voting you would be offering a trust fall

there are not eliminations in this game

...

I'm aware.

He explicitly said he wanted to RVS me, though, so I assumed that meant the same kind of RVS as a regular game, and he forgot about the gameplay mechanic

I'm being hyperbolic, if it's unclear

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meuh is rly good at scum i think. I think i vaguely remember last game we were in they sounded very townie but was mafia.

[Meuh]

like scum just need to get townread strongly by one person and get out yeah, to avoid having to really grind the game out,

This is not a terrible strat for either alignment imo

the difficulty with it as town is that... mafia are somewhat likely to be the one strongly townreading you yeah? so encouraging town to just find the obvtowns causes an unideal situation i think

so it's generally better for the towns to try to sort everyone to not give mafia ability to just pair with widely townread player that is misreading them,

but i've also put a lot of thought into this game from the mafia perspective as i have played multiple previous versions as mafia so maybe that is messing up my view of the game,

Yeah I think in this setup, it's a much worse idea to kind of let one player get townread by everyone without too much scrutiny, seems like an easy way to end up with a scum leaving ASAP
Casting a wide net of reads generally looks like a better approach than to focus down on a small amount of players here, but ig that's basically always true

[Meuh]

Meuh is rly good at scum i think. I think i vaguely remember last game we were in they sounded very townie but was mafia.

You're misremembering, I was widely townread, but was also town, marci was the one who managed to sneak under our radar

My only scum game ended up with me being limmed day 1 after slipping

[NorwegianboyEE]

Meuh is rly good at scum i think. I think i vaguely remember last game we were in they sounded very townie but was mafia.

You're misremembering, I was widely townread, but was also town, marci was the one who managed to sneak under our radar

My only scum game ended up with me being limmed day 1 after slipping

Hmm ok so maybe i was just very paranoid of you, and thus wrongly assumed you just were scum based on memory. Lol.

[bugspray]

damn it's really hard to actuall yget good reads on people this game because town and scum have the same goal

[Meuh]

Meuh is rly good at scum i think. I think i vaguely remember last game we were in they sounded very townie but was mafia.

You're misremembering, I was widely townread, but was also town, marci was the one who managed to sneak under our radar

My only scum game ended up with me being limmed day 1 after slipping

Hmm ok so maybe i was just very paranoid of you, and thus wrongly assumed you just were scum based on memory. Lol.

Oh yeah we were paranoid of each other, iirc we were both leading wagons on each other on day 1, both vts, so I don't fault you for remembering it like that

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this was the game

[NorwegianboyEE]

My goal is to find the scummiest player that is in reality town and trust them, then laugh at y'all.