Mini 1414: Mafia and Werewolves - Game Over

[JasonWazza]

OK other then this guys lesser activity POST wise and it suddenly increasing at the end of day 3 (kinda weird imo but he was getting shit for it.) we have a guy that was trying to condone POLICY LYNCHES THROUGH THE WHOLE DAMN GAME.

How is this pro-town?

I don't need to continue this guy is terribly scummy and it's obvious

[JacobSavage]

UNVOTE:

Well that gambit failed

Moving on, I assume youre both Vanillas as well

[JasonWazza]

2)

Golden Mean

Aj The Epic - Town Macho Seer - Killed Night 1

5) evilpacman18 - Town Doctor - Killed Night 2

8)

Xegarus

Maenara - Vengeful Townie - Killed Night 3

Considering this is probably an overpowered town already i'm not suprised

[YOLO]

Yay scum found without even trying, knew scum would leave me alive and try that uber early if i did that

Are you trying to say you did some kind of gambit? Sounds like a poor cover-up.

As I already said, part of my reasoning for voting you is based off my interpretation of the nightkills. Read my previous post. JacobSavage has indeed done next to nothing all game, but I'm not looking for the worst player, I'm looking for scum.

I've been trying to remove anti-town players from the game until we had enough information to base our lynches on. Since then I've made cases on Revenus, Viomi, Director and you. None of those were policy lynches. Also, if you think this was 'terribly scummy', then how come you're only commenting on this now?

[JasonWazza]

your "case" on me, and i use the word stretchingly is pathetic, and based on one thing that i thought to myself it was now and never and i had to cash all my town credit to try and get the win for town.

also your "case" on Viomi was lead by me

[JasonWazza]

VOTE COUNT 3.2

Viomi - 4/4 (JasonWazza, JacobSavage, YOLO, the director)

YOLO

- 1/4 (Viomi)

the director

- 1/4 (Revenus)

JasonWazza

- 1/4 (Maenara)

Revenus

- 0/4 ()

Maenara

- 0/4 ()

JacobSavage

- 0/4 ()

Not Voting (0)

:

Viomi - Mafia Goon

has been lynched Day 3.

It is now Night 3.

Deadline

: February 19th, 9PM, PST.

Night 3 ends in (expired on 2013-02-19 21:00:00)

Please submit Night Actions.

Note who voted first

[YOLO]

2)

Golden Mean

Aj The Epic - Town Macho Seer - Killed Night 1

5) evilpacman18 - Town Doctor - Killed Night 2

8)

Xegarus

Maenara - Vengeful Townie - Killed Night 3

Considering this is probably an overpowered town already i'm not suprised

I take it this means you're a vanilla townie? Great.

I'm not a vanilla townie. I'm a town cop.

I was hoping Jason would claim before me. I will give an overview of my actions as cop and I will explain why this means Jason is scum.

Gimme a moment to type.

[JasonWazza]

LOL even JS voted Viomi scum before you did

P=Edit: I'm VT and i call bullshit.

[JasonWazza]

HAH he slipped

First post ALL COPS/SEERS MUST BE MACHO

[JasonWazza]

Game Information

If any cops/seers exist, they will be Macho.

I'm a town cop.

any town player would claim that in there first claim post scum thanks for outting yourself

[YOLO]

N1 - Investigated Director, innocent. I investigated Director because he seemed not town not scum. Hard to read but unlikely to be NK'ed. He turned out to be innocent but with werewolves in the game there was no way to be sure.
N2 - Investigated WT Snacks, guilty. I investigated WT Snacks because his absence as a hydra was very strange and then he L-1'd Josh out of nowhere. However, he died.
N3 - Investigated Maenara, innocent. With two mafia dead, I figured my role was useless now but just in case there were three mafia I investigated Maenara because his closing post on Viomi (are you scum? Please tell) smelled too WIFOM-y.
N4 - Investigated JasonWazza, innocent. After Director I was thinking of Jason being the last scum. I inv'd him even if I knew it didn't really matter.

Now, why does this mean Jason is scum? We have:

- 2 mafia
- 2 werewolves (most likely)

We also have:

- Town Doctor
- Town Vengeful
-

Town Seer

2 mafia, 2 werewolves, an investigative role that counters the werewolves, but nothing that counters the mafia? That doesn't make sense set-up wise.
Jason just claimed vanilla. I am the cop.

[JasonWazza]

Dead during Night 2:

WT Snacks - Mafia Goon

Kinda convienient investigation don't you think?

[JasonWazza]

Also it's called scumhunting, normal games are based on it rather then on PR's, we are playing a normal game so this game won't be full to the brim of ways for only a PR to swing the game.

[JasonWazza]

Also using the Innocent/Guilty scheme you would have gotten guilty on the werewolves as well, a setup like this would only use mafia/Not mafia

[JasonWazza]

I love how this guy is leaving so much of his "Role PM" in the air.

[YOLO]

Convenient for what? You're really grasping at straws now.

JabobSavage, I want to make sure you understand the situation. We're in a game with a mirrorteam of 2 mafia and 2 werewolves. You know how powerful investigative roles are, and we know for sure there's a seer in the set-up. That's a serious disadvantage for the werewolves. So far, we've seen nothing that carries a disadvantage for the mafia. There has to be something that balances the chances of the mafia/werewolves. Jason already claimed vanilla. I am that balancing role for the mafia.

[JasonWazza]

they would not put into this game a cop and a seer that is TOO over powered, it would be something like a tracker/watcher for the second IF they had any

[JasonWazza]

Also for all we know there could be a werewolf that can invest people to see if they are Mafia LOL

[YOLO]

No, they would not. The point is that the werewolves are severely disadvantaged compared to the mafia. A tracker/watcher does not balance that difference. Not to mention that a tracker/watcher would be able to follow the mafia too.
Cop/Seer is also not overpowered. They're two sides of the same coin, like an odd-night doc and an even-night doc are equal to a normal doc.

I'm done speculating about roles. In fact, I'm done talking at all. Jacob, don't hesitate to ask if you have any questions. I trust that you are able to deduce that this setup has to have a cop to balance the mafia/werewolves out.

[rapidcanyon]

VOTE COUNT 5.1

JasonWazza

- 1/2 (YOLO)

YOLO

- 1/2 (JasonWazza)

JacobSavage

Not Voting (1)

: JacobSavage

Deadline

: March 5th, 9:30AM, PST.

Day 5 ends in (expired on 2013-03-05 09:30:00)

[JasonWazza]

Please Jacob, don't let this turn out like the Micro game we played a while back.

Least this time we aren't relying on a terrible venge kill

[JasonWazza]

Game Information

If any cops/seers exist, they will be Macho.

I'm a town cop.

any town player would claim that in there first claim post scum thanks for outting yourself

Also i would like to point out YOLO didn't respond to this and hasn't claimed Macho at all yet

[YOLO]

Game Information

If any cops/seers exist, they will be Macho.

I'm a town cop.

any town player would claim that in there first claim post scum thanks for outting yourself

Also i would like to point out YOLO didn't respond to this and hasn't claimed Macho at all yet

Just to be clear, yes I am macho.

Going to sleep now. Jacob, I can't believe you just went offline while Jason and I were posting back to back but whatever.

[JasonWazza]

Just to be clear, that is a major part of the role and you posted that like 20 posts after i called out your slip.

Any town player would have claimed the Macho part because it is part of being a believeable claim, a scum player would leave it out due to not having seen that in the first post.

[YOLO]

A town player isn't overly concerned with his own appearance. I concur that it wasn't very smart to forget about my 'macho' status, but I simply got too excited when I saw you claim vanilla and knew the win was in the bag. True story bro.

This setup needs a cop to balance out the mafia/werewolves. Fact. It's game over for you.

Ok, I seriously need to go to bed now, it's 1:47 am already. This game is way too entertaining, haha.