Open 610: Kill all Townies (Mafia Win)

pisskop · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 8:52 am

Im going to scan over people's meta and vote if all we're gonna do is stagnant and wave our hands around.

Ricastle · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 9:05 am

I didn't think I was very active in Elemental, but I guess that was back when I legitimately cared about winning. My post count here does look pretty bad in comparison, no question o' that.

Well, anyway. Based on those openings Pisskop 1 Vedith 0

Ricastle · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Fri Oct 23, 2015 10:00 pm

Vedith, why did you think wgeurts was scum?

Vedith · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:13 am

I was being sarcastic...

Vedith · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 7:15 am

Regardless what you think of me Ricastle, tell me why I should consider you more town that Pisskop?

pisskop · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:13 am

I did VCA.

I found D1 to be the bet day for it, because after that we had the cop guilties and then we didnt really have enough scum left on either team to get a good pattern going.

In D1 I found 1.3 and 1.5 to stand out.

Spoiler: 1.3, 1.5

It shows Ricastle wedged in between firekari and lal on Sinsun. Would all three mafias jump onto a wagon like this?

Firekari rides Smduger until 1.8, where he is back on Sinsun. He parks there until the day ends, barring a brief selfvote.
In 1.10 Vedith returns to sinsun from smudger, and fire is back on sinsun in 1.11.

The issue I really have with vedith is that Ric or I would have to be bussing our mafia partners, but Vedith was never interested in voting mafia.
He did vote for Lal who we had a guilty on.

Spoiler: 2.2

And has been a late addition to all wagons.

I suspect that with the exception of obvious townkills, the scum were trying to crosskill. I also believe that scum would be more likely to hide their suspicion of their night targets in multiball, so they can get away with it easier. He has few if any mentions of TSB.

Aside from VCA/NKA, wgeurts did suspect Vedith, and the quickhammer on TTH was pretty bad.

A case for ricastle would have to include why he bussed, and why he his whole team hopped on sinsun.

pisskop · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:15 am

Im fairly confident that vedith is scum.

vote: vedith

Vedith · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:19 am

Well, if Ricastle is scum then that's game to scum anyway.

Ricastle · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:28 am

Not hammering.

Ricastle · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:29 am

There, now I'm conftown. Go at it you two.

Vedith · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Sat Oct 24, 2015 8:32 am

VOTE: pisskop

I'll work on this later. No need to rush the hammer until I put my side in.

Vedith · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:32 am

Okay, lets take a look here.

Vedith · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 4:49 am

Okay, all I really have are the following.

Pisskop was reckless with the voting so easily. That's more scummy than not because if you were scum he would have given the game away straight away before proper discussion.

The vote on FireKari was late (considering that he used the argument of me voting late is pot kettle). At the stage of voting FireKari was more or less the lynch here, it would make sense for scum to jump onto this.

The vote on Lalendra was the hammer, no chance of getting out of the lynch.

Now, here's what I find interesting... 661 - I am town because of meta reasons, 824 - Then says he doesn't know what scum me is like, meaning that he can't meta me?

Apart from that, he hasn't done much apart from buddy town and distance from scum except when he was leading wagons that were not scum.

@Ricastle - You can either decide on what we have given, or if you want to interact about anything, then lets do that.

Ricastle · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 5:53 am

Vedith, give me a reason I shouldn't just leave this to a coin flip.

pisskop · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:05 am

In post 837, Vedith wrote:Pisskop was reckless with the voting so easily.

No. You were hoping to keep this a 1v1v1. I have a long and storied past with voting first in lylo.

It lost me cheetory's game, won me NS's game, and lost me ika's.

pisskop · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:06 am

In post 838, Ricastle wrote:coin flip.

Because you want to win?

pisskop · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:17 am

In post 837, Vedith wrote:

1)
The vote on FireKari was late (considering that he used the argument of me voting late is pot kettle). At the stage of voting FireKari was more or less the lynch here, it would make sense for scum to jump onto this.

2
The vote on Lalendra was the hammer, no chance of getting out of the lynch.

3)
Now, here's what I find interesting... 661 - I am town because of meta reasons, 824 - Then says he doesn't know what scum me is like, meaning that he can't meta me?

4)
Apart from that, he hasn't done much apart from buddy town and distance from scum except when he was leading wagons that were not scum.

I just couldn't pass this up.

1)

My vote was otherwise on Dave or Lal that day. Dave was acting differently than usual and fire was scum. You're trying to argue my points against you back at me, but I voted for firekari; if he was the lynch of the day why were you not on him?

2)

What's your point here? My vote was on her D1, its not like suddenly suspicion.

3)

Again, waht is the point here? Putting aside the fact that I don't have to have actually played with you as scum to be able to metadive you, what does this imply?

4)

Could you show us some of my buddying? Buddying is such a vague term.

I dont find much in your arguement of merit at all.

pisskop · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 6:23 am

In post 839, pisskop wrote:
In post 837, Vedith wrote:Pisskop was reckless with the voting so easily.

No. You were hoping to keep this a 1v1v1. I have a long and storied past with voting first in lylo.

It lost me cheetory's game, won me NS's game, and lost me ika's.

NY 181 We won because of my lylo vote.

Mini 1652 Kind of lost this one.

Micro 466 This game . . .

Vedith · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:34 pm

In post 838, Ricastle wrote:Vedith, give me a reason I shouldn't just leave this to a coin flip.

Because that's just stupid.

Vedith · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:35 pm

In post 839, pisskop wrote:want to win?

No, voting before someone even puts a case forward is a scum minded move. And you have played enough to know this.

Vedith · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:47 pm

In post 841, pisskop wrote:I just couldn't pass this up.

1) My vote was otherwise on Dave or Lal that day. Dave was acting differently than usual and fire was scum. You're trying to argue my points against you back at me, but I voted for firekari; if he was the lynch of the day why were you not on him?

Yeah exactly, you knew he was going to be scum so you jumped on. I didn't think scum as I wanted to discuss with FB first. Why would I vote someone who I have doubts on being scum. Your position on this wagon is so obvious.

2) What's your point here? My vote was on her D1, its not like suddenly suspicion.
Yeah,

You mean, you voted for your scum buddy when the wagon died off? How very towny of you. All game you have been trying to distance yourself from your 2 scum friends, if Ricastle can't see this, then there's no hope.

3) Again, waht is the point here? Putting aside the fact that I don't have to have actually played with you as scum to be able to metadive you, what does this imply?

What's the point? The fact you try and say I am town because you know my meta, then you decide today that you don't know my meta? It's a fucking contradiction.

4) Could you show us some of my buddying? Buddying is such a vague term.

Well, you haven't got a lot of posts, so you and Ricastle can just check... You buddy a few people, including Ika.

Btw, what's your case on me being scum again?

Vedith · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Sun Oct 25, 2015 10:48 pm

In post 842, pisskop wrote:NY 181 We won because of my lylo vote.

Mini 1652 Kind of lost this one.

Micro 466 This game . . .

This has no relevance to this game...
Self meta like this is always scummy.

Ricastle · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:04 am

In post 843, Vedith wrote:Because that's just stupid.

Indeed it is. But unless you can provide a sufficient motive for me to vote Piss over you, then I don't see why I shouldn't.

He doesn't need a case on you, by the way. From his projected point of view, you're confirmed scum, are you not?

Ricastle · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:18 am

In post 842, pisskop wrote:NY 181 We won because of my lylo vote.

Mini 1652 Kind of lost this one.

Micro 466 This game . . .

Your endgame play in those games seems at a glance to be less...structured than it is here, ftr (as that's all I read from each of them)

Vedith · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Mon Oct 26, 2015 12:20 am

Because doing that could easily be game throwing... If you vote wrong and lose because you actually believe Pisskop is town then that's different.

And no, he should be trying to convince you why he's town or why I'm scum. For you to sit there and say that he just needs to go "Yeah he is scum" is so fucking stupid. XD
Sorry to say.

Ask yourself... How often do scum bus each other?
Where was he on the wagons? He was on the end. of them.