Newbie 1765 | URW | Endgame

[Nachomamma8]

Yes, but you are not even considering it as an option.

It's an option.
It's not what I think happened while you seem so thoroughly convinced to the point that you're pushing back at me for disagreeing.

[LicketyQuickety]

Nachomamma. You've left a few questions unanswered. I'd be on the fence regarding you otherwise.

What questions have I left unanswered?
Why is Dominator almost a townread for you; what has he contributed that you agree with or think comes from a town mindset?

I will look for a follow up on this.

[LicketyQuickety]

Yes, but you are not even considering it as an option.

It's an option.
It's not what I think happened while you seem so thoroughly convinced to the point that you're pushing back at me for disagreeing.

Nope, this is the first time you said you thought it was a possibility. The fact that you never said "You could be right, but I doubt it" or something along those lines, shows that you have malicious intent toward my stance.

[Nachomamma8]

Nope, this is the first time you said you thought it was a possibility. The fact that you never said "You could be right, but I doubt it" or something along those lines, shows that you have malicious intent toward my stance.

It's impossible for me to type everything that I think.

[LicketyQuickety]

Nope, this is the first time you said you thought it was a possibility. The fact that you never said "You could be right, but I doubt it" or something along those lines, shows that you have malicious intent toward my stance.

It's impossible for me to type everything that I think.

Red herring.

[Nachomamma8]

I'm pretty sure you know why I made that comment.

I think I know why, yes. And I think that it's misguided.
But it's extraordinarily difficult for me to refute misguided reasoning if the reasoning doesn't exist in thread and the point that I'm making with regards to people not understanding what you're saying is valid.

[Nachomamma8]

Red herring.

Your argument is that because I haven't taken the time to go "Hey, LQ, there is a small chance that you could be right - this is not where my current thought process is leading me, but, the chance exists", I have "malicious intentions" towards your reasoning. This is an absolutely insane argument; nothing is absolute in mafia. Even if a cop were to come out tomorrow with a guilty on someone that everyone thought was scum, there still would be a chance that the person is lying; as with any player who has been burned horribly more than one time, every single time I post a viewpoint there is always a chance that I am wrong and I am typically (I'd love to say always but I've lost myself at times) aware of that fact. Typing disclaimers in every single argument that I make is redundant and ridiculous when this is a game that, for the most part, lacks solid information - my arguments are all claiming that I can guess the color of your role PM because of some this or that nonsense which is already a pretty shaky premise, which means that it should be obvious that I am never 100% when declaring anyone's alignment.

[LicketyQuickety]

I'm pretty sure you know why I made that comment.

I think I know why, yes. And I think that it's misguided.
But it's extraordinarily difficult for me to refute misguided reasoning if the reasoning doesn't exist in thread and the point that I'm making with regards to people not understanding what you're saying is valid.

I don't want you to refute my reasoning in this case, and that is not always bad play either.

[TheDominator37]

Err... not its not? Its based on instinct which is pretty much as basic as it gets?

And instinct of a player who is new to playing scum isn't to claim PR immediately.
When you first started playing, your instinct when you were overwhelmed by pressure was to disappear completely; this is a far more typical reaction than "claiming PR out of the blue". Off the top of my head, I can remember about 2 extremely premature claims (both VT claims, both town); extremely premature claims are pretty rare in the first place and the risk that the move carries for a scum player,

especially

for a PR claim, makes it that much more unlikely that it's coming from scum.

A site I used to play on had only role madness and no duplicate roles so the first people to claim were almost confirmed town. I could see someone thinking ms is the same and coming out with a PR claim.

[LicketyQuickety]

Red herring.

Your argument is that because I haven't taken the time to go "Hey, LQ, there is a small chance that you could be right - this is not where my current thought process is leading me, but, the chance exists", I have "malicious intentions" towards your reasoning. This is an absolutely insane argument; nothing is absolute in mafia. Even if a cop were to come out tomorrow with a guilty on someone that everyone thought was scum, there still would be a chance that the person is lying; as with any player who has been burned horribly more than one time, every single time I post a viewpoint there is always a chance that I am wrong and I am typically (I'd love to say always but I've lost myself at times) aware of that fact. Typing disclaimers in every single argument that I make is redundant and ridiculous when this is a game that, for the most part, lacks solid information - my arguments are all claiming that I can guess the color of your role PM because of some this or that nonsense which is already a pretty shaky premise, which means that it should be obvious that I am never 100% when declaring anyone's alignment.

Well, in that case, I will ask if you have actually agreed with anything I have said in this game. Can you point out where you have done so?

[TheDominator37]

AND, oh baby did you see that read I gave on Dom. That was one of the sickest Town reads I have ever given on someone.

I don't really see a town motive in this post :/

[Nachomamma8]

As far as solid stances go, game's been going for four days and is already longer than a good number of newbie games; I'm falling behind a bit and that means that I haven't been able to do some things that I'd like to do but will do before Day is over. Providing a fleshed out reads list is one of them. If you need one:

TOWN:
Rautherdir
toblerone187 replaced DefyingGravity
Superhans
LicketyQuickety (SE)

LEAN TOWN:
Lovesick

NULL:
ConnorJC
FancyPants (SE)

SCUM:
TheDominator37 (SE)

[TheDominator37]

Question addressed to both LQ and TheDominator.

You're both voting for Nacho (on board a Nacho Wagon so to speak) but you are both basing your votes on completely separate lines of logic.

What do you think of each other's line of logic? LQ do you agree with Dom's reasoning, Dom do you agree with LQs reasoning?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend so yes

[LicketyQuickety]

AND, oh baby did you see that read I gave on Dom. That was one of the sickest Town reads I have ever given on someone.

I don't really see a town motive in this post :/

Oh, I just made that comment for fun.

[Superhans]

41 Scum -

ConnorJC

61 Town -

LQ

88 Town -

ConnorJC

94 Neutral -

Lovesick

187 Town -

Superhans

214 Read on

Lovesick

295 Explaining town read on

ConnorJC

317 Town -

Superhans

560 Scum -

TheDenominator

idk if this will be that helpful, I started making it before 886.

[Nachomamma8]

Well, in that case, I will ask if you have actually agreed with anything I have said in this game. Can you point out where you have done so?

Seems like you're missing a point somewhere; how is this related to what I said?

[Superhans]

Question addressed to both LQ and TheDominator.

You're both voting for Nacho (on board a Nacho Wagon so to speak) but you are both basing your votes on completely separate lines of logic.

What do you think of each other's line of logic? LQ do you agree with Dom's reasoning, Dom do you agree with LQs reasoning?

The enemy of my enemy is my friend so yes

That seems like terrible logic imho.

[Rautherdir]

You just finished answering all the ones I noticed, Nacho. So, I'll probably put you as town now. Which means I get to look at everyone again because I only have one person listed as scummy. As to TheDominator, it stopped being a Lurker, I didn't have enough information at the time to put it as scummy. I'll have to look at it's posts again to reach a new decision.

[Nachomamma8]

You just finished answering all the ones I noticed, Nacho. So, I'll probably put you as town now. Which means I get to look at everyone again because I only have one person listed as scummy. As to TheDominator, it stopped being a Lurker, I didn't have enough information at the time to put it as scummy. I'll have to look at it's posts again to reach a new decision.

Previously, you said I'd move to null after I answered all of the questions I haven't yet answered. Why am I now moving up to town?

[Rautherdir]

Because you gave good answers in my opinion.

[Rautherdir]

Also, you posted reads

[Nachomamma8]

Also, all questions that I answered were questions that I wasn't around to answer before - how is not being here to answer questions scummy or am I missing something...?

[LicketyQuickety]

Well, in that case, I will ask if you have actually agreed with anything I have said in this game. Can you point out where you have done so?

Seems like you're missing a point somewhere; how is this related to what I said?

It makes the point apparent that you have not agreed with me (if you haven't). I consider this a form of discrediting, though, an advanced version of it. That is the reason why I want the answer to this.

[Nachomamma8]

Also, you posted reads

Were the reads a surprise to you?
What questions did I give good answers to?

[LicketyQuickety]

41 Scum -

ConnorJC

61 Town -

LQ

88 Town -

ConnorJC

94 Neutral -

Lovesick

187 Town -

Superhans

214 Read on

Lovesick

295 Explaining town read on

ConnorJC

317 Town -

Superhans

560 Scum -

TheDenominator

idk if this will be that helpful, I started making it before 886.

I stand corrected.