Mini 1742: game over

[Albert B. Rampage]

Wait so, do people believe the hider claim or are people just putting off lynching Wickan on the off chance he's actually a hider and dies during night phase?

A hider is a perfect scum fake claim. A cop is going to get shot, so a cop surviving the night is suspicious, A scum fake claiming hider could just claim to hide behind some random townie that scum is fine shooting the next night anyway.

If we do want to give him a chance on the off-chance that he's ACTUALLY a hider, I'm really only wanting to lynch Titus. Maaaaybe Simple Plan, but that's only if we really aren't going to lynch Titus.

Since I've never played with a hider before, can someone explain to me the idea behind this hider pool? It seems like if he hides behind scum we have a lynch pool of 3 people which isn't terrible, and it reduces the risk of scum killing 2 townies with one bullet. How do we pick who to put in the pool? Titus is literally the last person I want picking the people.

We're really trusting him, though. If he "confirms" town, can we actually be confident it isn't a fake claim?

Whatever the case may be, lynching him would be a strategic mistake if he's telling the truth.

[A Simple Plan]

Then go with the free-for-all. If we do a hider pool like that, it offers us the same chance at information while increasing the chance scum picks your target and kills both of you.

[Albert B. Rampage]

P-edit: I might be willing to lynch RC based off of that post about 20 minutes ago. This tunnel is ridiculous.

Why is a tunnel scummy?

[ICEninja]

The last time I had a scum fake claim hider in my game, town forced him to "hide" behind a specific player, and it seemed like the right thing to do.

Whatever the case may be, lynching him would be a strategic mistake if he's telling the truth.

I'm pretty sure he's not.

Anyways, if we aren't lynching Wickan, this is the right thing to do:

Unvote, vote Titus

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[Albert B. Rampage]

Weak vote.

[Albert B. Rampage]

VOTE: Taly

This is the vote I'm most confident in.

[Titus]

Actually, ASP does point out another problem with the pool.

Say the pool contains Alice, Bob, and Eve.

Say tomorrow I'm dead and Bob is dead. There are 2 possibilities
1. I hid behind Bob and scum targeted Bob, we both died.
2. I hid behind Eve, who is scum, and scum targeted Bob. We both died.

From town's point of view, these look identical. And I'm not sure either should particularly be considered more likely.

Correct. That is not ideal. Yet in free for all, we would not even have that.

[Titus]

Can ABR Wickan and Talah just agree on it?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I think Wickan did?

[Frozen Angel]

With all regards I don't buy hider claim. I checked lots of normal games Not even 1 contain that role.

I'm willing to lynch titus right now. this might clear up lots of things

VOTE: Titus

and I think we must send Wickon on ASP

[Frozen Angel]

w8 I was on titus wan't I?:/

[mykonian]

votecount

Titus (3): RadiantCowbells, Frozen Angel, ICEninja
A Simple Plan (3): talah, Titus, JohnnyFarrar
RadiantCowbells (1): Wickan
Taly (1): Albert B. Rampage

not voting (2): Taly, A Simple Plan

[Taly]

I spent this entire day trying to get people to lynch Titus and now you're trying to lynch me because me trying to lynch her is apparently not producing content.

New flash: not until she's dead will you have me committed to content form that's not about her.

You want to scumread me, you want to lynch me, be my guest. I caught scum, I'm done now.

1)

I didn't say I'm scumreading you.

2)

I didn't say I wanted to lynch you.

3)

I'm still deciphering between you and Titus because I'm thinking about my reads more, and even though I haven't liked a lot of Titus' posts; I don't think their approach is bad in terms of the hider pool. Conversely - if you really want a Titus lynch to go through, then why not say anything about what she's posting now?

UNVOTE:
Okay, so the hider is a thing.

I think this hider pool idea is rather dumb. Our plan needs to be to have him target one of the most suspicious players, the ones who haven't contributed as much and don't appear to. It leads to three scenarios:
1) target is scum, Wickan dies, and scum gets two deaths in exchange for a guaranteed lynch.
2) target is town, scum kills target, but get two less-than-stellar kills instead.
3) target is town, and scum targets someone else, allowing for a presumably confirmed townie pair in the game and drastically narrows down the suspect pool for D2.

ANY WAY we look at it, worst case scenario is 7p tomorrow without a confirmed scum but much greater opportunity to figure the scum team out. Better possibilities, only one death plus two confirmed townies, or even a confirmed scum, and assuming target is town, it creates a tough decision for scum to deal with.

Alternatively, what do we get from the three-player hider pool? It creates WIFOM for scum, but WIFOM for town the following day if he dies because we can't be sure if he targeted town and died due to the scum kill or targeted scum. A definite target at least gives us information.

Since I was asked, to sum it up, I'm not 100% sure in Wickan's claim, but it bought him a day.
Not Lynching: Johnny, ABR, Wickan
Give me a case and it's possible: ICE, RC, Talah, Titus (though those last two will need to be damn good cases)
Potentially Scum (would lynch): Taly, FA

I've been reading since page 21, and I think I've caught on with a Johnny tell. Wickan I won't lynch due to his claim, and I've been confident in my ABR townread since I ISO'd him around page 21, and I haven't seen anything to change that.

P-edit: I might be willing to lynch RC based off of that post about 20 minutes ago. This tunnel is ridiculous.

So...

You aren't sure about Wickan's claim, but you think the hider pool is dumb...

You put Wickan from being 'scum lean' to 'not lynching' because of his claim...

But you list the alternative to the hider pool being harmful to scum

What information do you think comes from trying to have a definitive target?

Weak vote.

VOTE: Taly

This is the vote I'm most confident in.

Speaking of weak votes...

Last interaction I had concerning you was that I said I wasn't getting any answers or engagements, and now I'm re-voted.

With all regards I don't buy hider claim. I checked lots of normal games Not even 1 contain that role.

I'm willing to lynch titus right now. this might clear up lots of things

VOTE: Titus

and I think we must send Wickon on ASP

Your vote was already on Titus.

What do you think of RC the past page or 2?

I could agree with Wickan hiding behind ASP - the only 2 townreads I'm becoming confident about is Johnny and Ice. Then there's you, and talah who I townread to a smaller extent; but wouldn't vote or lynch today.

[Frozen Angel]

yeah I found that out after that vote

RC seems tunneling hard. I believe its his town. maybe I'm wrong but its my little meta read on him.

[JohnnyFarrar]

You are wrong, his scum meta contains the same shit.

Hider pool is happening. We're not letting claimed hider stumble around in the dark, it makes the entire claim useless to us.

Why is Titus happening?

[Titus]

You are wrong, his scum meta contains the same shit.

Hider pool is happening. We're not letting claimed hider stumble around in the dark, it makes the entire claim useless to us.

Why is Titus happening?

Last refuge of scum to break up me Wickan ABR.

Wickan will be unlynchable due to claim soon enough until lylo plus 1 day. Given my insistence on a case on Wickan and Wickan likely being high prob town tomorrow, I would be less likely to be lynched in future days.

Scum cannot effectively 180 after ABR because ABR is not scumreading Wickan anymore.

It's the same people who vote parked Wickan which I said was a scum driven wagon.

Pick someone who isn't me Wickan ABR Johnny Talah today. I am there. No more jumping.

[Frozen Angel]

we can't confirm wickan as town if he don't find the scum.

[Titus]

we can't confirm wickan as town if he don't find the scum.

No, but we confirm precious information regarding alignment.

Even if Wickan is scum, he must remove one person from his personal lynchprool each day. The longer Wickan lives as town, more info. As scum, more associative tells. As scum, he'd be forced to abandon the claim.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Plus Wickan is just probably town.

Seriously though why is Titus happening?

[Albert B. Rampage]

We vote out Taly.

[JohnnyFarrar]

oh you

[Albert B. Rampage]

Last interaction I had concerning you was that I said I wasn't getting any answers or engagements, and now I'm re-voted.

I've learned to not get into one on one discussions with wordy players in the habit of posting walls. Replying to you isn't worth it.

[Wickan]

FA: I'm never going to "find scum." The closest is I'll die and you'll know that somebody in the pool is scum.

@Johnny: I did agree to the pool, I just wanted to point out that you have to consider both possibilities in that scenario. We're doing the pool.

Al: you prefer Taly to RC?

[Albert B. Rampage]

Taly. 100%.

[Taly]

yeah I found that out after that vote

RC seems tunneling hard. I believe its his town. maybe I'm wrong but its my little meta read on him.

Not really.

In my scum game with RC (also the one Johnny has referenced to) - RC tunneled me page 2 all the way to page 30 where I finally got lynched/bussed and scum won since we confused the fuck out of town.

Tunneling is something you'd see from RC in general - the thing that I'm trying to figure out - is if his posts, and mentality to this game is town of him, or scum of him.

We vote out Taly.

Still waiting for an explanation....

Glad you're ignoring me after I've engaged with you, though.

>>>>

Titus is slowly falling off of my scumreads.

Where is talah?

P-Edit

Last interaction I had concerning you was that I said I wasn't getting any answers or engagements, and now I'm re-voted.

I've learned to not get into one on one discussions with wordy players in the habit of posting walls. Replying to you isn't worth it.

I need to sign off now. My blood pressure is rising.

I can't tell if you're insulting me, or if I just feel offended by how thoroughly you're dismissing me - I rarely see town do this, and this behavior racks up town losses. Especially since you're

wrong,

and you probably don't want me to point that out.