Micro 981 | Chain of Command 2004 Camry Edition | Game Over!

[Datisi]

interesting.

my only issue with this whole thing is that the bugs n1 kill somewhat points to there being scum in the officers, since they were a claimed VT.

maybe i shouldn't worry about that too much considering, if you're telling the truth, scum knew all the PRs after day one flip. but again it brings up a question why didn't they try to win via killing the officers... if they knew dostin wasn't getting protected... even if he was exebait, why go for a claimed VT...

[Datisi]

well, i guess there's still an opportunity of the Doc counterclaiming you in some way. i shouldn't rush ahead.

[Uncrowned]

I think the thought process there might have been that they wouldn't want to confirm someone? Possibly?

I just don't see why the doctor would disobey to defend Dostin. It makes no sense.

[Uncrowned]

Also I vaguely remember bringing this up start of D2 but I still don't think you fit the bill for Bugs kill, and I'm not sure User does either? I think the Bugs kill requires a team that is at least mildly unaware of the game state.

[Uncrowned]

Also I'm extra confused now about why Dostin wasn't killed N1 because that would've been prime time to frame me I think

Dostin and I end of D2 had just come around to a mutual TR on each other so the timing of this is just... odd. User seems like a calculated player, I don't think they make this kind of mistake.

[Uncrowned]

And I think D1 you were expressing bits of paranoia on me, same as you did on D2. I think if you were scum, you would've ran with that angle even further and just murdered Dostin D1.

As scum controls the doctor, there's no worry there about "Oh, maybe Dostin gets protected" and you would've recognized that, killed him and then forced a conflict between the two of us, I'd imagine.

Unless you took the slim chance of cooking this whole thing up to use against me in Elo but it just seems like so much more trouble than it's worth, especially with the risk of me coming out like this.

[Datisi]

if you're telling the truth, the doctor is scum, there's no way around it. disobeying protecting the nightkill is way too big of a coincidence.

[Datisi]

and no town!motivation for disobeying a protect order since it's either +tonw if you save someone or neutral if you don't but ya know what i mean.

[Uncrowned]

I am 100% telling the truth. I'm not gonna do gross AtE and manipulation shit because that ain't me, but you just gotta take my word for it.

If I am counter-claimed here, it is 100% a scumclaim. I suspect everyone will claim they're VT.

[TheGoldenParadox]

i'm an ensign, but like uncrowned said, it doesn't matter :/

[Datisi]

i'm speaking from my own pov. it's no lie that you've been towny and that that night one kill doesn't make *too* much sense with you as scum.

but, maybe i'm a bit biased, because the last time i played this setup, town lost by the end of night two due to all three town officers dying - day one was the lieutenant execution, night one was the captain kill, night two was the commander.

you're scum, who can win via the secondary wincon by killing all the officers. there's a claimed bodyguard officer. you *know* he will not be protected. it won't even look bad on you if he dies because you weren't ordered to protect him. and you shoot at a claimed vanilla ensign?

like, did scum think he was still a viable execution then?

maybe i shouldn't be trying to break the game mechanically, that never ended well...

pedit: vanilla ensign, i assume?

[TheGoldenParadox]

yessir

[Uncrowned]

I guess this is assuming someone counter claims captain now?

but if i wanted to go for the officer win con if i wasn't captain I would've just killed him N1? the officer win con is irrelevant now

[Datisi]

it's not assuming someone counterclaims you as captain. it's assuming you are a scum captain.

[Uncrowned]

but i thought scum coulnd't win with that wincon if one of them was an officer? is that not the setup?

[Datisi]

but if i wanted to go for the officer win con if i wasn't captain I would've just killed him N1? the officer win con is irrelevant now

that's what i'm saying. scum didn't try to go for the officer wincon. *why didn't they?* either it was a wifom shot, scum wasn't paying attention, or there is scum in the ranks.

however, i don't think i'm willing to outright bet the game on it being the third case. wifom kills happen sometimes i guess. i dunno.

[Uncrowned]

OHHH you just wrote "can" instead of "can't" by mistake i'm a dummy i should've inferred that from the rest of your point

Yeah i guess but that's wine

I mean I don't think scumcrowned ever kills dostin here just as he turns his read around to a TR on me

I think if i'm scum here I probably kill User? User expressed paranoia on me D2 whereas Dostin seemed like he had come around. I think I bank on convincing Dostin in Elo moreso than User here. assuming user is town i suppose but if he isn't then we've probably already lost sadly

this is all wine anyway but this is honestly how i'd see it from scum POV if thats what i was this game

[Uncrowned]

i would like to point out that this sort of NKA narrative thing is the exact same thing I did as scum in Elo and I'm kinda happy about that because it shows me to an extent that i can replicate at least a small portion of my towngame as scum

/self masturbation is now over i'm sorry

[Datisi]

i think i was trying to express myself in some weird hypotheticals idk i didn't sleep a lot last night

if you're scum, you're sure taking the piss right now, eh?

my head aches

tgp, who is of the scum?

[Uncrowned]

luckily I am a good boi

[Datisi]

uncrowned, why didn't you entertain the idea of the commander being scum?

[Uncrowned]

holy shit

youre right

fuck fuck fuck fuck

dude I knew I was missing something when I claimed captain I fucking knew it but I said "nah doctor is scum that's it I dont need to wait for claims"

[Uncrowned]

I had the post written up for a good 2 minutes and I was trying to doctor strange the shit thinking of all the possibilities of how this could go wrong and I said to myself "nah we good" and posted

this is why I hate mechanical responsibility sigh

[Datisi]

i mean, the commander being scum doesn't change the fact that the doc literally refused to heal the person that ended up dead this morning...

[Uncrowned]

it does make sense

im actually pissed at myself

either way I think its weird they don't kill the pr right away in case it screws with their planned kill because doc is scum but shit we could've caught someone slipping