Mini 1679: Baccano! Mafia - Game Over

[Cheetory6]

Vote Count 3.3

Big The Cat

[2] - notquitethere, Mainez

JohnnyFarrar

[1] - Big The Cat

notquitethere

[1] - Varsoon

No Vote

[4] - Aristophanes, JohnnyFarrar, ToastyToast, West9

It takes 5 votes to lynch.
Day three will end on July 15, 2015 or in (expired on 2015-07-15 22:00:00)

[Varsoon]

I just tripped out thinking this was my SU game and you just sniped a VC from me. I was gonna have to wave a fist at ya, cheetory.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Wave your fist at him anyway.

[notquitethere]

It's simple.

We can't kill Johnny today, as we'll lose. Do the maths. It boggles the mind why Big is still trying to push this.

We can't mislynch town today because we can't afford to trust a serial killer who's admitted to wanting a mislynch.

The only option is to kill mafia. We have to go Big today.

[Big The Cat]

VOTE: NQT

Invisible Man is a baddie!~

Baddie baddie baddie~~~~~

~Big

[Varsoon]

Doin' it.

[Varsoon]

Both your abilities make sense for scum, by the by.

[notquitethere]

Varsoon

Practically everyone's claimed abilities 'make sense for scum. That's not an argument either way. Why do you have so much blind faith in Big?

Toast/Aristo/West

I'm sure none of you want to drag out the day for the full two weeks, and you can't all be scum... Do you have any more considerations to make or are you ready to cast your votes?

[Varsoon]

We've played together. I've seen how he's crumbed and claimed abilities as scum and as town. As much as people give Metal Sonic a hard time, the dude's really perceptive and capable when it comes to the game. Yeah, he could be faking and playing me like a card, but his claim feels genius.
Besides, literally no one else claimed they had an 'enabled' power.
Also, guys, aren't LITERALLY ALL of the kills thanks to vengeful and the so-called SK?
Why are we even assuming there's a scumteam?
We should just lynch johnny. Dude's lying.

[Aristophanes]

We've played together. I've seen how he's crumbed and claimed abilities as scum and as town. As much as people give Metal Sonic a hard time, the dude's really perceptive and capable when it comes to the game. Yeah, he could be faking and playing me like a card, but his claim feels genius.
Besides, literally no one else claimed they had an 'enabled' power.
Also, guys, aren't LITERALLY ALL of the kills thanks to vengeful and the so-called SK?
Why are we even assuming there's a scumteam?
We should just lynch johnny. Dude's lying.

The thought crossed my mind. But then we aren't in lylo and there is no worry giving him another day.

Mika wasn't Johnny though, nor vengeance, so no, we have one unconfirmed kill with no claimed vig.

Varsoon

Practically everyone's claimed abilities 'make sense for scum. That's not an argument either way. Why do you have so much blind faith in Big?

Toast/Aristo/West

I'm sure none of you want to drag out the day for the full two weeks, and you can't all be scum... Do you have any more considerations to make or are you ready to cast your votes?

Will def be voting soon.
Dragging the day out would be pointless.

[notquitethere]

Besides, literally no one else claimed they had an 'enabled' power.

That's because that's not how it works. My existence enables certain town roles, I don't manually enable them. If you believe Big then you can't doubt that's what I am. You're super-reluctant to vote Big and yet you realise his power is a good fit for scum, and killing me will disable a town power role...

Aren't LITERALLY ALL of the kills thanks to vengeful and the so-called SK?

I don't think so. The vengeful hit Johnny. Unless there's another 3rd party killer or vig, or Johnny can kill twice a night, then it was a scum team that killed Mikazuki.

We should just lynch johnny. Dude's lying.

If there's a one-man superscum team (immortal/power stealing would work, he could even start with a one-shot kill) then we can afford the risk of trying to kill a mafia team today.

[Varsoon]

You could also enable a scum power.
Whatever, it really doesn't matter what I say in this game. I've tried pushing what I think plenty and no one gives a damn.
It sucks, because I really feel like even if I do figure things out, no one will follow me onto a lynch. Everyone's being super clingy with their votes when chances are we need like all of town to vote for scum in order to win anyway.

[West9]

No, fuck this whole "leaving Johnny alone so he can kill someone" thing. I understand that we can't afford lynching him, but I do not trust him enough to not block him.

[West9]

Also I'll just not vote today if you guys prefer. The only way I'm gonna win is if I follow everything you guys say in exchange for my life.

Also, as much as this fucking sucks, we need to figure out some sort of system of how to get Johnny to vote. Looking at the numbers and assuming 3 scum, it'll be impossible for us to lynch an unbussed scum without the fifth vote of Johnny.

[West9]

I need a little bit more time before I vote, mostly because A) I think that NQT is a good lynch but I'm afraid he might be enabling my roleblock and B) this Big lynch is starting to feel like the Kalimar lynch in terms of everyone just being okay to default on it.

[JohnnyFarrar]

But West

[notquitethere]

I need a little bit more time before I vote, mostly because A) I think that NQT is a good lynch but I'm afraid he might be enabling my roleblock and B) this

Big lynch is starting to feel like the Kalimar lynch in terms of everyone just being okay to default on it

.

It's really really not. I've yet to see any kind of refutation of any of these points of contention:

Things about Big:

-Has no substantial content for most of the first game-day they're here
-Gets someone else lynched other than their alleged scumpick
-Tries to get a pro-town role lynched soley because of that role
-Outs a role that, if killed, would harm town's chances
-Now is the strongest pusher for the Johnny lynch which, if you do the maths, pretty much would ensure a town defeat

We need to hit the mafia today and they're not making it hard for us. But don't just take my word for it, check their ISO.

We can add to that list:

"Doesn't give any supporting reasons for pushing a NQT lynch, despite this most likely being LYLO"

[Aristophanes]

Alright, so West is blocking Johnny. This means no death on Big from him tn.

Therefore VOTE: Big

[Big The Cat]

I need a little bit more time before I vote, mostly because A) I think that NQT is a good lynch but I'm afraid he might be enabling my roleblock and B) this

Big lynch is starting to feel like the Kalimar lynch in terms of everyone just being okay to default on it

.

It's really really not. I've yet to see any kind of refutation of any of these points of contention:

Things about Big:

-Has no substantial content for most of the first game-day they're here
-Gets someone else lynched other than their alleged scumpick
-Tries to get a pro-town role lynched soley because of that role
-Outs a role that, if killed, would harm town's chances
-Now is the strongest pusher for the Johnny lynch which, if you do the maths, pretty much would ensure a town defeat

We need to hit the mafia today and they're not making it hard for us. But don't just take my word for it, check their ISO.

We can add to that list:

"Doesn't give any supporting reasons for pushing a NQT lynch, despite this most likely being LYLO"

1) That's a blatant lie. I've provided more content than you did.
2) That's not alignment indicative. In fact, it's more likely town would do that than scum
3) You're not a confirmed pro-town role. I'm a pro-town role instead
4) That's a point of contention. Considering that you don't know what your role enables, I'd say that's bullshit.
5) I'm voting you. Unfortunately, town is bad enough to not vote you, obviously bullshitting about "My role is good" VS "I don't know what my role does".

None of those are points of contention. YOU, are a point of contention.

[ToastyToast]

Will post with more when I get back from work, but preferring that big cat lynch atm

[notquitethere]

1) That's a blatant lie. I've provided more content than you did.

Haha, no. Here's your ISO for your first 20 post:

Spoiler: ISO

Hello Everyone!

Let's Play Mafia!

Page 10.


ThaStatusQuo is town.

CoolDoG is town.

Mainez is town.

Mikazuki is town.

JohnnyFarrar merits more attention.

ToastyToast is scummy.

Hey! It's Big The Cat!
I kinda don't know what do.

Are You Town?

I have fully caught up!

Aristophanes is town.

Jazzmyn is town.

Kalimar is scummy.



West9 is scummy.

Beer merits more attention

Varsoon... he's a tough one!


Let me ask him what his alignment is~


~Big

Hmm, CoolDoG got lynched... I don't like the sound of that!

Vote Count 1.08

CooLDoG

[Lynched]

- Mainez, JohnnyFarrar, Mikazuki, West9, notquitethere, Beer, Kalimar

I'm looking at West9, Beer, and Kalimar right now. They seem SUS-peee-cious!

VOTE: Kalimar

~Big.

Hello, all.

I haven't been here for about five years so I may be a little rusty, but I am delighted to be back.

I have started reading the game thread and I will start making my game notes asap. In the interim, if my predecessor had a vote outstanding,

Unvote

Regards,
Jazz

Hi Jazz~

You seem like a sweetie!

May I ask that if it is just a coincidence that your avatar is the same as GreyICE's... but more Grey?

~Big

O-Kay!

I Believe You!

Varsoon Is Town!~

~Big

How About Kalimar?

Kalimar Looks Like A Good Choice!

Mm-mm~

Cooooould be just his avatar now that I think about it! Mm-mm~

Gives an impression of slimy... and scummy! Mm-mm~

That's great of you to join me! Get a wagon going! Gain information, y'know! mm-mm~

~Big

yooooooooooooooo

I LOVE flippant approaches. I also LOVE my plans for today so see you in a little while C:

@Big if you tell me something super convincing about Toast between now and next time I look at this you'll get a nice loud sheep.

D'Oh! I'm not too convinced about Toast myself, at this moment!

I Do Think That Kalimar Is SUS-Peeee-cious!

Sheepie?

~Big

Many of Kalimar's Actions are Easy Things For Scum To Do!


Sheeping Largest Wagon, for example.

Asking Pointless Questions, is another one.

Making Vague Theory Statements, is yet another Easy Thing For Scum To Do!

D'Oh!

Sheepie?

its 1 am

You aren't doing those things.

Reason stated for me joining the last wagon (and this one for that matter) is sheeping, and I'm pretty sure the reason CD shot me was me saying pointless things

There's more to it than that. You're not as scummy as him, period.

Plus, you have the benefit of me looking at you and knowing you in Twin Trap. I don't know Kalimar, and I'm judging him entirely with my generic rules.

I did it. I figured out who Big was.

Not completely.........

Anyway, the way I see it:

Vote Count 1.08

CooLDoG

[Lynched]

- Mainez, JohnnyFarrar,

Mikazuki

, West9, notquitethere,

Beer

, Kalimar

Johnny was vengeful'd and still alive (immortal)

Scum isn't Mainez because Big has meta. So that wagon is obviously down to West9, NQH, Kalimar. It definitely wasn't an all town wagon. Our vote is in a good spot.

(Froggy - the other head)

Surprise!

Ho Ho Ho!

~Big

The Only One Guilty Of The Above Action is Kalimar!~

And there's a good chance he's Scum!~~


~Big

What do you want me to answer to?

Oh!~ There's talking Bread~

Hi Bread!

What do yooo thinkies about NotQuiteThere?

Where's that guy anyway? D'Oh!


Oh, uh, can uh, can you give a long answer? I like longbreads!~ Can eat more of them! Yum~

~Big

Alright so, idk if any of you have ever seen my scum theory thingy, but I generally see scum as fitting one of 3 categories. More likely than not, there is one of each.

I disagree with this.

It's also like saying, more likely than not one scum is on the D1 mislynch wagon, and one scum is off. Or things of that nature. It's just a shitty way to scumhunt in my opinion, because you limit your options of who scum could be by assuming they are 1 of each in three pools.

Anyway, reads list in order from scum to town, which may or may not differ from my hydra partner a bit because we're halfway around the world from each other, but we've chatted some.

Scum:

Kalimar
NQT
Hydrangea/West9 slot

Toast
Johnny F
Aristophanes

Mainez
TSQ/Jazzmyn slot
Domino/Varsoon slot

Town:

^^Froggy

The majority of that is just you saying 'this person is town', 'this person is suspicious'. Serious lack of reasoning.

2) That's not alignment indicative. In fact, it's more likely town would do that than scum

You're telling me town are more likely to not try an lynch people they suspect? It's a weird comparison, because scum don't genuinely suspect anyone.

3) You're not a confirmed pro-town role. I'm a pro-town role instead

Enabler is almost always a town role, which you'd have known if you'd looked it up instead of pretending it meant 'Encryptor'. Role-cop is only pro-town if it's used by a town player.

4) That's a point of contention. Considering that you don't know what your role enables, I'd say that's bullshit.

It's not a point of contention! You had ample opportunity to realise I'm a town enabler and you decided to tell everyone anyway. That's not a pro-town move.

5) I'm voting you. Unfortunately, town is bad enough to not vote you, obviously bullshitting about "My role is good" VS "I don't know what my role does".

But you were for most of this day pushing a Johnny vote which would have lost us the game, something you're apparently keen not to admit about now. I

know

I'm a town enabler. I just don't know which town power I enable. So my role is good AND I don't know everything about it. There's no bullshitting there.

None of those are points of contention. YOU, are a point of contention.

You have offered exactly 0 reasons to lynch me today.

[ToastyToast]

Toast/Aristo/West
I'm sure none of you want to drag out the day for the full two weeks, and you can't all be scum... Do you have any more considerations to make or are you ready to cast your votes?

To summarize my thoughts:

vote: Big the Cat

[ToastyToast]

I need a little bit more time before I vote, mostly because A) I think that NQT is a good lynch but I'm afraid he might be enabling my roleblock and B) this Big lynch is starting to feel like the Kalimar lynch in terms of everyone just being okay to default on it.

There's a difference. Big has been suspected since Day 1 and keeps avoiding lynch.

[West9]

boopie doopie boop doop

sex

VOTE: Big

[West9]

boopie doopie boop doop

sex

I've had this god damn song stuck in my head for weeks and it's insanely frustrating