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Post Post #775 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 3:59 pm

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Laz wrote:(2) I was sitting on InHim/I was lurking
Response: I wasn't sitting. I had a vote on Inhim before he claimed and when Reck claimed townblocker as well, I posted that I will be taking a closer look at InHim's and reck's posts. But before I can do so, I lost my net access. Again, there was no sitting or active lurking involved on my end, and I'm sorry my inactivity gave out some confusing signals.
Closer look-->Cop breadcrumb. This supports Laz/Pyro-->Cop.

Doesn't vote for Xyl going into today, which goes against a standard cop play.

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Not sure whether to buy the claim or not. Things would've been made easier if Reck announced his roleblock going into night (kinda giving us a clear if there's only one death). I am leaning towards him having blocked Xyl (was voting for Xyl most of the game, if I recall correctly), which points to Laz/Pyro being scum, but i am going to have to check.

For now, however, we have at least a 50/50, which is good. Possible scumslip from Xyl, involving
Xyl wrote:Yep, he's lying. You realize that you're completely screwed - even if you get me lynched, it will prove your lie and you'll be lynched tomorrow. Town wins.
This implies only one scum left (something only he could know), but i didnt think nething about it--we all were mostly thinking this, no?
There could still be another scum out there. I'd rather lynch Pyro first.
Yet THIS seems 2 appear 2 b the opposite, admitting that there could b two scum out there. i dont like inconsistencies.

I *really* dislike Cateraction's quick bandwagon.

Dang it, Xyl, Pyro/Laz, Cateraction. Y'd u have to all b so scummy this game? <_<
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Post Post #776 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:08 pm

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ConsonantM: I think there should be just one scum left, in which case town wins guaranteed no matter who we lynch. However, on the off chance that there is a second scum, I'd rather lynch Pyro first.
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Post Post #777 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:08 pm

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EBWOP: no matter who we lynch between me or Pyro.
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Post Post #778 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:13 pm

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Pyromaniac wrote:There is a vague possibility that there are 3 scum left. He could have thought that was true. I don't really, though I suppose it could be.
There could be 2 scum left. You are ignoring the possibility of an SK.
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Post Post #779 (ISO) » Sun Jul 12, 2009 4:18 pm

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!!!!

Two dead mafiosos in one group, one dead mafia power role in another.

Could the mafias be different sizes, with two power roles in one and three mafiosos in the other?
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Post Post #780 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:50 am

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I would have to wonder what that power role it.
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Post Post #781 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:00 am

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Maybe laz, for some reason, think there are 3 scum left. If that is the case then if we lynch bronx we lose.
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Post Post #782 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:42 am

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Really, conso, we have a guilty from a claimed cop.
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Post Post #783 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:18 am

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cateraction wrote:Really, conso, we have a guilty from a claimed cop.
That doesn't mean you have to believe him. Normally you lynch the claimed guilty first because that way the cop gets another inspect the next night, but with a claimed even-night cop at five players, there's no way laz/Pyro is getting another inspect anyways, so there's no role reason to lynch one or the other of us. If there's one scum left it doesn't matter who you lynch first, but if there are two scum left and you lynch me then it's still possible to lose tomorrow even though you'll know for sure that Pyro is scum. If there's three scum left we're pretty much screwed already, but I just don't see three scummy people here.
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Post Post #784 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:39 am

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Of course you're going to argue to lynch laz first, it's in your self interest. He's going to argue to lynch you first. I really don't care either way. I'm inclined to believe that we have a cop, because of Kise' role, but others may not be. So, everyone should vote xyl or laz right now and which ever way the majority goes, so be it.
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Post Post #785 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:50 am

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cateraction wrote:Of course you're going to argue to lynch laz first, it's in your self interest. He's going to argue to lynch you first. I really don't care either way. I'm inclined to believe that we have a cop, because of Kise' role, but others may not be. So, everyone should vote xyl or laz right now and which ever way the majority goes, so be it.
Well honestly it probably doesn't matter which of us gets lynched, but I'd rather play it safe if possible.

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Post Post #786 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:52 am

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By the way I have to admit to an ulterior motive here: I've never been lynched as town yet, and I don't want this to be my first time.
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Post Post #787 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 9:43 am

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You could say that about every game.
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Post Post #788 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:12 am

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Pyromaniac wrote:You could say that about every game.
This is the first time it's actually gotten close. I guess I should be happy that it took a fake cop result, but still.
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Post Post #789 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:17 am

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Conso? Scot? Care to come in and comment?
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Post Post #790 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 11:24 am

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Pyromaniac wrote:Maybe laz, for some reason, think there are 3 scum left. If that is the case then if we lynch bronx we lose.
Are you bronx mafia?
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Post Post #791 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 1:58 pm

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No.
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Post Post #792 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 2:00 pm

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Pyromaniac wrote:No.
Really? Because I can read that as you hinting that you're Bronx Mafia and if the town lynches you we lose.
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Post Post #793 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 3:59 pm

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I have a wacky theory.

Pyromaniac is the last
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If I'm right here, then there's two possibilities. Either there really are two Brooklyn mafia alive (ConsonantM and cateraction), or the scumteams are uneven and just one of them is scum. I'm thinking uneven scumteams is more likely, I just don't see both of ConsonantM and cateraction as scum. If there
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two Brooklyn scum left we have to lynch one of them and then hope a scum gets nightkilled. If there's only one left (probably cateraction), we can lynch Pyro - who is 100% scum, at least from my POV - today and then lynch the last scum tomorrow.

Of course, if this whole wacky theory is wrong and Pyro is Brooklyn mafia, we can either lynch Pyro today and win, or lynch anyone today and then Pyro tomorrow.
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Post Post #794 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 4:01 pm

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If cateraction and ConsonantM were scum together they would have hammered by now, so I think we can rule that out.

Lynch Pyro.
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Post Post #795 (ISO) » Mon Jul 13, 2009 10:06 pm

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Heh. It's late, i should've gone 2 bed hours ago, my main has dozens of games that i should catch up in, but this game currently holds my attention, as it is clear we're nearing the end.
i believe Xyl thusfar has been a bit more scummy than Laz/Pyro. Pyro is also a very easy mislynch (i'd know; i helped mislynch him in his first game. :P), tho, so this might be an attempt at anti-bias. (Bcause he's so scummy as town, subconciously, i might b more cautious in my opinions of him, discarding scummy play.)

i will again be looking at the bandwagons that i posted earlier, observing where they were. i will then look at them in isolation.

My largest concerns:

-Xyl's scum, bing bussed by Cateraction. Cateraction is waiting 4 some1 2 vote 4 Pyro, thereby allowing a change in vote 4 a win.
-Cateraction and Pyromaniac r both scum. They voted together and r hoping 4 a mislynch right now 4 a win.

Those 2 keep me from voting either. Like i said earlier, a power role in 1 mafia faction, but not the other-->Concerning.

Dizzy/Scot is almost confirmed town.
i am town.

Cateraction, Xyl, and Pyro r all that is left. There r only a few possibilities:

1: All 3 r scum. Two r Brooklyn, 1 is Bronx. Lylo.
Pyro and Cateraction r Brooklyn, trying 2 get rid of the Bronx. This is due to Xyl's meta of never bussing partners, making a Pyro-Xyl pairing impossible.
From this, Cateraction can b eliminated as a possible member of the Bronx mafia. He still can b Brooklyn, tho.

2: Two r scum. 1 Brooklyn, 1 Bronx, making the Bronx Mafia faction (of 2 goons so far) larger.
We have a ml today. Xyl/Pyro die. If correct, then it will b down 2 the other 2, and which is decided upon as the last member of the other mafia faction. If wrong and the pro-town player of the 3 is lynched, then either the scum cross-shoot, or we r left in a Prisoner's Dilemma situation.

3: Two r scum. 2 Brooklyn. Despite having a power role, they have an extra member. Lylo, if tru, but this is extremely doubtful.

4: One is scum. A member of the Brooklyn mafia. We have a guaranteed win.

1 is my largest concern of all. Three is extremely doubtful, but the possibility exists.

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Now, 2 examine the bandwagons, see which pairing is made most likely:

Vote count analysis here shows Xyl-Rhinox pairings that I mentioned earlier. It also shows a possible reason for Zito's death, Zito's vote on Laz.
inHimshallibe: 5 (sam.samhorn, ConsonantM, lazarusmoth, cateraction, xRECKONERx)
Laz and Cat voted together, here.
inHimshallibe: 5 (sam.samhorn, ConsonantM, lazarusmoth, cateraction, xRECKONERx)
xRECKONERx: 3 (inHimshallibe, Rhinox, Xylthixlm)
Again, the 2 vote 2gether, but so do Rhinox and Xyl.
lazarusmoth: 1 (inHimshallibe)
Again, inHim died that night.
Phoebus: 3 (sam.samhorn, cateraction, lazarusmoth)
Cateraction and Laz vote 2gether again.

There is one instance, however, where they break the pattern:
Xylthixlm: 4 (xRECKONERx, Phoebus, inHimshallibe, cateraction)
inHimshallibe: 2 (lazarusmoth, Xylthixlm)
xRECKONERx: 1 (Rhinox)
Xyl no longer is with Rhinox, and cateraction no longer with Laz.
Another inconsistency is the fact that Zito and inHim both had at least some suspicion on them yet were NK'd...and had votes on Laz.
Yet i was not.

However, given the evidence in front of me, if 2 alive r Brooklyn, Laz-Cat would definitely seem to fit the pattern.

On the other hand, tho, Cateraction has never received any serious attention from Xyl, 2 my knowledge, which means that Xyl could b partners with Cateraction.

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To sum it up,

-My current belief is in a Laz/Pyro-Cateraction scum team. About 40% on this.
-If wrong, then the next most probable scenario is Xyl is a lone scum member. About 30% on this.
-At third, is a Cateraction-Xyl possible scum team, 20% on this.
-At a last fourth is the least likely, as this would b suicidal: Laz/Pyro is the last scum, with no scum partner. Instant-town-win, very doubtful. Only 10% on this.

-And due to the 20% chance of the third, I will not b voting 4 Pyro, despite Pyro bing my top suspect.
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Post Post #796 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 1:55 am

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Xylthixlm wrote:
Pyromaniac wrote:No.
Really? Because I can read that as you hinting that you're Bronx Mafia and if the town lynches you we lose.
No. That is my only reason that laz could possible withhold a guilty. Also, inhim was a town power role that was probably not going to get protection. So they would have NKed to get us to suspect reckoner.
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Post Post #797 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:22 am

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So...Conso, what we're really looking for here is a vote.
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Post Post #798 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 4:34 am

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ConsonantM, see my sig:

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Post Post #799 (ISO) » Tue Jul 14, 2009 7:07 am

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Still on vacation. Didn't read through the big posts. Pretty sure we should lynch xyl.

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