Open 177 (Monks and Masons) - Game Over.

[SaintKerrigan]

Hey, guys. I'm the replacement for xofelf. Haylen should be confirming this shortly.

I've been following this game lightly for a while, but now that I'm actually in it, I'm going to commit to a more in-depth read. In the meantime, if anyone has questions, feel free to ask me.

[SaintKerrigan]

The guy is a pretty much confirmed mason with a dead mason buddy as confirmed town.

Umm...mind explaining to me in brief why you consider Hewitt a mason?

[SaintKerrigan]

Umm...mind explaining to me in brief why you consider Hewitt a mason?

I claimed it, I am it, no counter claim. Unless you want to counter claim =)

Okay, thanks!

Mind doing me a favor and telling me in which post you made the claim? Walls of text are killing my brain cells.

[SaintKerrigan]

@Kerrigan, Yo Kerrigan you here got a question for ya...

Umm...so what is the question?

[SaintKerrigan]

U Here?

For the moment, though I think I'll take a break soon because my head's about to explode. Why do you ask?

[SaintKerrigan]

U Here?

For the moment, though I think I'll take a break soon because my head's about to explode. Why do you ask?

CLaim NOW...you've been claimed in the game. Do it right now.

Wtf?

[SaintKerrigan]

U Here?

For the moment, though I think I'll take a break soon because my head's about to explode. Why do you ask?

CLaim NOW...you've been claimed in the game. Do it right now.

Wtf?

CLAIM IDIOT before u get lynched. You've already been claimed.. IE your role is known...now restate it...it would take u 100th of second to know i'm not lying and this is true otherwise i'd be strung up instantly.

YOU HAVE 1 minute to claim before you get lynched, now claim.

I don't believe the previous incarnations of myself have claimed, and I don't see any reason to do so now.

[SaintKerrigan]

...oh, my partner claimed. Thanks a lot, EB. Now both of us are targets for nightkills. That was smooth. For the record, if you're in a mason-like team, for god's sake

don't

claim what your role is, and definitely

don't

tell people who your partner is. It just paints a big red dot on both of our backs and screams "nightkill!"

@ Benmage: So how was I supposed to know that my partner claimed? Besides, even

if

I felt like claiming, I would've just claimed vanilla townie, because I wouldn't want to expose my partner for a potential nightkill (or two, as we happen to have in this case).

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Benmage: I got flustered because I didn't know if my older selves had claimed or not, and I didn't feel like claiming now. You're misconstruing the whole situation, Benmage.

I will admit that you do have a point about EB possibly being a Mafia Monk...

@ ODDin: I am confirming the claim.
As for the second part, I feel it's much better for a mason (or monk, as it were) to claim VT because that way the mason doesn't out his partner.

@ Farside22: Why is claiming VT terrible?

In other news:

Vote: Benmage.

I think he used this little stunt as an attempt to draw out a member of the opposing scum team.

[SaintKerrigan]

Also, what has been seen cannot be unseen. Kerrigan, the "other scum team" does pretty much constitute a claim of being scum.
F*ck you, Benmage, and pardon my French.

No, I'm accusing Benmage of being a member of one scum team who accuses someone of being a member of the opposing scum team. This does not mean that I am a member of a scum team.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm here, for the record. The reread is taking longer than I thought (thanks, Farside and Scien ).

I do have one thing to say, though, about why I think scum-Benmage would try to pull a stunt like this to try and out a member of the scumteam opposing his. Based on the setup, if both scumteams manage to lynch only town roles on Days 1 and 2 and only nightkill town roles on Nights 1 and 2, this leaves them in a Day 3 where there are two town roles and four scum. Now, if a townie is lynched again, this leaves a Night 3 with four scum and one town. At that point, one of the scumteams is definitely going to lose no matter what happens (except for one scenario in which both probably draw).

Scenario 1: Scumteam 1 or Scumteam 2 hits the final townie. The other scumteam hits a member of the opposing scumteam. This leaves a Day 4 where it's 1 scum vs 2 opposing scum (automatic loss for the 1 scum).

Scenario 2: Scumteams 1 and 2 both hit each other to go 1-1. This leaves a Day 4 where there is 1 scum, 1 other scum, and 1 townie. This is a very unpredictable situation for scum, since neither one can afford to vote for the townie (because the town will likely countervote the voting scum, leaving the final scum to vote his scum opponent and claim victory). Even if both scum successfully vote each other, this leaves the townie as the person who decides which scum will win the game. I highly doubt that either scumteam would consider this situation ideal.

Scenario 3: Both scum hit the final townie, leaving both scumteams at full strength on Day 4. This will likely result in a draw (since no one is going to achieve a majority). Assuming both teams are playing for the win (and there's no reason I can see why they shouldn't), this is not a situation they want to find themselves in.

Basically, what this means is that if both scumteams continue to lynch and nightkill solely townies, they are going to wind up in a detrimental endgame. The best way for

either

scum side to ensure a victory is to get a scum lynch (of the opposing team, obviously) on either Day 2 or Day 3, giving one team a 2-1 advantage over the other.

I feel that Benmage as scum likely realized the scenarios I described earlier, and knew he had to try and get his team the 2-1 advantage. So he concocted this trap and sprung it on a replacing monk, because he figures if he can get one monk lynched, he and his partner will nightkill the other monk. There is a more likely possibility of finding scum in the monk-mason groups than in the rest of the players, so attacking these groups makes sense.

This turned into a much longer post than I thought it was going to be. Going back to reading up now...

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Farside: The scenarios the scum can wind up in are certainly not WIFOM. Hence, why they really need to get someone on the opposing team lynched today or tomorrow and why I think Benmage would try to pull a stunt like this.

[SaintKerrigan]

The Huzzah! Finished! Vote count

ElectricBadger - Scien
Hewitt - ODDin
ODDin - Hewitt, Nikanor, Scien, Farside22, Benmage
Benmage - SaintKerrigan, ElectricBadger

Not Voting: Maemuki, ODDin, SaintKerrigan.

Lots of love
Haylxxx

Umm...wait, wasn't that the hammer on ODDin?

[SaintKerrigan]

That actually was the lynch. I counted five votes:

- Hewitt
- Nikanor
- Scien
- Farside
- Benmage

[SaintKerrigan]

At least i'm doing something. Thats town itself...

Nope, not true. Scum can be active and doing something. See Newbie #842. Look up Archaebob. Classic example of scum being active.

[SaintKerrigan]

I can see both cases in regards to SK's comment.

Are you referring to my "opposing scum team" statement? Because I've already explained how I was referring to Benmage, as a member of one scumteam, making an attempt to expose someone who could be on the other scumteam. I don't know how exactly that comment can be interpreted as me accidentally outing myself as a scum.

One thing I've noticed is that at least two players (Benmage and ODDin, if I recall correctly) have substituted the word "other" for "opposing" when referring to my comment, which entirely changes what the statement is saying. Perhaps this is where the confusion is coming from?

[SaintKerrigan]

Benmage, have you forgotten about me or something? Because I'm pretty sure you flat-out accused me of being scum for reasons you claimed were ironclad yesterday, yet I'm seeing a vote for EB. What happened here?

[SaintKerrigan]

You rang?

[SaintKerrigan]

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Benmage:

You (ODDin) ruined the perfect trap to protect your partner.

In addition to that direct quote, you spent almost the entire of the end of Day 2 (once I replaced in) arguing for your trap and how it conclusively proved me as scum. I dunno, did you talk with someone during the night and get a refreshed perspective or something?

[SaintKerrigan]

Why are you still talking to me and not going for mafia...

Are you admitting you're a werewolf, then?

[SaintKerrigan]

A list or something substancial where you stand on each player would be helpful to see if you are scum hunting or just floating

I'm working on it. You guys gave me a hell of a lot to catch up on, quite frankly. Those walls of text certainly didn't help...

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Farside: Do you know your links aren't working (at least for me)?

[SaintKerrigan]

Alright, here's what I think about everyone, going in alphabetical order.

Benmage

Initially I thought he was scum because of his godawful trap. As I reread him in ISO, however, I got more of a town vibe from him. It not anything I can name specifically, just more of a general gut feeling. His Day Three activities, however, seem indicative to trying to hide the fact that he's the last remaining werewolf. All in all, Benmage is confusing the hell out of me.

I think I'll put him down as neutral (leaning scum) for now.

ElectricBadger

My fellow monk. His lack of willingness to scumhunt on Day 2 is a bit troubling, but I can understand the reasoning behind it (those walls of text are killing me too). I haven't seen anything else that's terribly disturbing, so I'm leaning slightly town on him at the moment.

Farside22

The way Farside continually hounded Scien over the course of the game majorly set off my scumdar, and even more so now that Scien is a confirmed townie. A lot of what I've seen from her has been overreaction to either weak points or null tells. I felt she was very scummy for this alone, but her assault on Benmage today is also critical. She said multiple times she thinks Benmage is a werewolf, yet instead of backing down and searching for other scum, she continued to attack Benmage. This very much feels like an attempt to look productive without actually doing anything. Combined with a playstyle that I think resembles agressive scum, I think it's very likely that Farside is mafia.

Hewitt

Since Hewitt is not the right lynch for today for obvioius reasons, I'm not going to focus him at the moment. My basic opinion on him is possible werewolf due to being a mason, but the way he claimed mason makes me wonder if he is town. Overall: plain neutral.

Nikanor

Nothing wrong about his posts that I can see, didn't get any scumvibes from him. However, if Benmage is the wolf and Farside is Mafioso #1, process of elimination would suggest either EB or Nikanor is Mafioso #2. If Hewitt is the wolf, of course, that changes things. I'll go with just a neutral, leaning town, for Nikanor.

I think Farside has the best chance of being mafia scum, so

Vote: Farside22.

[SaintKerrigan]

@SK: What has Nik done that you would call scum hunting?

He did actually have some points against ODDin on Day 2.

Do you think trying to also find the wolf in the game should also be a priority of the town

I'm not denying the importance of finding the wolf. My point was, you already considered the wolf found and you

still

pressed onto Benmage. I hardly consider that productive.

Which person if mafia has more then one scum buddy would you consider to be my scum buddy and why?

Well, first the mafia obviously has only one scum buddy. As for who your scum buddy would be...actually, I would guess Benmage because of your rather useless (no offense meant) attack on him and your assertion that he's a werewolf. Could be a mafia ploy to clear one of their own from a lynch today.

Now that SK completely missed the point about 50/50 shot in which ben is trying to do with the monks I'm going to assum SK mafia with Nik at this point with that read alone.

Erm, what?

[SaintKerrigan]

The Urgh, Chinese Food poisoning Vote Count

Farside22 - Nikanor, SaintKerrigan
ElectricBadger - Benmage
Nikanor - Farside22, ElectricBadger

Not Voting: Hewitt

With 6 alive, it takes 4 to lynch.

Lots of love
Haylxxx

Oddin was town his analysis was nothing on anyone else

Just because he was wrong doesn't mean he wasn't trying.

Ben's attacking my point on him. My feel was to see if he was scum with Nik or if he is wolf. All I get from Ben with his point on the Monk's is scum motivation

Wait, scum motivation mafia or scum motivation wolf?

So you see no point that he is looking at this from a wolf point instead of scum?

I'm having difficulty parsing this sentence. Could you rephrase the question?

I'm still waiting to hear an explanation for why you paired Nikanor and I together as scum. The reason you gave made no sense to me.

@SK: Any reason for why you gave neutral reads on literally everyone in the game, save farside?

Farside right now is the only person that I'm confident in my read because of the way she's behaving. I'm technically caught up, but there's so much information in here that I don't have a firm grasp on it. Thus, the rest of my reads are tentative.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Farside:

1. And you think it's wolf trying to get rid of the monks, right?
2. He was in on the lynches of RBT and ODDin. He did make a stance, even if it was an incorrect one.
3. Benmage looks scummy to me, but his early ISO gave me a town vibe. He confuses me, so I put him as a neutral,

leaning scum

.
4. Well, I can't help my perceptions. I'm countering what I believe are false statements made by you. If I'm defending him in the process...well, again, I guess I can't help it.

[SaintKerrigan]

No worries, Haylen. You've been doing a good job with handling all the replacements and such. *hugs back*

I must say, Farside is looking more and more ridiculous with nearly every post she makes. I mean, c'mon, unless the wolf is lynched today (and that is HIGHLY unlikely) there's absolutely no reason for the mafia or the werewolf to go after a townie, confirmed or not, while the other faction is still alive.

@ EB: Why are you assuming that the mafiascum aren't bussing someone at this point?

Need moar posting from Hewitt.

[SaintKerrigan]

And have the wolf kill the confirmed townie!
I'm so glad you think I'm really that gullible.

You're bullshitting here. Why would any scum kill a confirmed townie? You know that the scum will be best off aiming for the opposing team.

if the town lynches a mafia today why on earth would they try to kill the opposite alignment?

Because if they don't, they can't win! But of course you know that.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Farside: You're leaving out the part where if wolf kills mafia and mafia doesn't kill wolf, then it brings up a 1-mafia, 1-wolf, 1-townie endgame. Not only does the mafia have to determine who the wolf is at that point to win, and vice versa, but even if the two scum figure each other out and vote each other, the townie is left to decide which scum team wins.

[SaintKerrigan]

EB: You're right, I forgot that a no-lynch could be forced by town. However, it doesn't change the fact that a 1v1v1 is not optimal for scum on either side to be in. Thus, it makes more sense for both scum teams to try and kill each other overnight than for one of them to try and hit a townie.

[SaintKerrigan]

All the mafia need to do is avoid a lynch today. (aka lynch me) and avoid being killed and they win.
How does that not work?

Well, duh! Of course the mafia wins if they avoid a lynch today and one of them doesn't die overnight. But how likely is either one of those scenarios going to be?

But then scum needs to worry about survivor a lynch on this day. What is the better chance of winning for scum? Ask yourself that then come back to me.

Scum is going to try and survive a lynch regardless of what day it is. And obviously the best possible scenario for mafia-scum is for them to lynch someone other than themselves and then survive the night. But the mafia has no control over who the wolf is going to kill. If the mafia kills a townie and the wolf kills a mafia, then the 1v1v1 scenario shows up, which is detrimental to both scum. Thus, the best chance the mafia has is to try and kill the wolf overnight, so in the event that the wolf kills a mafioso, at least the surviving mafia have a 1v2 against town, not a 1v1v1 against a town and a wolf.

[SaintKerrigan]

How is my scumlist anti-town?

[SaintKerrigan]

Your link isn't working again, Farside. And I actually gave a town reading to EB. The size of this game and the walls of text have caused me to not be sure on my readings. That's why I have a lot of neutrals: they may not be scummy, but at the same time they aren't obvtown to me. You, on the other hand, are obvscum.

And lol, Haylen.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm actually going to change my tune here. Based on your recent interactions, I highly doubt that you and Benmage are on the same scumteam. I'm not liking Nikanor's lack of posting atm, but he hasn't said anything that set off my scumdar. Plus, if you two were partners, I wouldn't have expected both of you to go after each other today and stay on each other. Maybe a little early bussing, but not the constant pressuring. That leaves EB. I still haven't seen much to convince me of his scumhood, but he's the only person that makes logical sense. Maybe I need to go back and reread him (oh, the joy of rereading).

Of course, I still think that you're scum, and I'm happy with my vote where it is.

[SaintKerrigan]

I never said you were actually bussing Nik. I didn't even say Nik was your scum buddy. You're not making any sense, Farside.

Also, why would I switch to someone else when you're an obvscum? After all, speculating on scumpartners is still only speculation.

[SaintKerrigan]

You know, Farside, my "defense" of Nikanor can be boiled down to you asking me questions about my read on Nikanor and me answering them. I haven't been trying to defend him.

[SaintKerrigan]

You know, Farside, my "defense" of Nikanor can be boiled down to you asking me questions about my read on Nikanor and me answering them. I haven't been trying to defend him.

You defend nik with all my question was in regards to Nik and his play you defended it instead of saying well maybe I can see that he didn't really do a complete list. You show 2 sign's of scum hunting and one was based on someones obversation. I have yet to see an orginal idea that came from Nik that wasn't from someone else. The fact you fail to see that and defend you're read on him just seems to me either not paying attention (maybe but doubtful) or scum partner trying to defend and protect his buddy's poor responses.

Still, you were the one who prompted my "defense" of Nik. You asked me questions about my read on Nik, I answered them, and now you're pointing your finger at me and calling it a defense of Nik. The only reason you're even calling me scum is because my read of Nik differs from yours.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Farside:

This is defending Nik's analysis in a nutshell.

No, it's more like me pointing out that just because Nikanor was wrong doesn't mean that he wasn't trying.

You also quoted an incomplete scumlist (Nikanor's, I mean). He said "this is my

pre-analysis

scumlist. He gave his reasons in a later post.

@ Nikanor: What is the meaning of the V/LA in your sig? Is this why you haven't been posting as much, or is there another reason?

@ Mod: What's going on regarding Hewitt?

[SaintKerrigan]

Get to today. See everyone point fingers. Tell us if you're the wolf and if you are not and are town we all now that Benmage is the wolf then.

Well, it's not as if she can come right out and say she's mafia.

Sorry to put this bombshell on you guys, but I'm just gonna come right out and say it. I am a...geek ~ Hayl

[SaintKerrigan]

Merry Christmas, everybody!

Hey, what about my birthday ~ Hayl

[SaintKerrigan]

Hey, what about my birthday ~ Hayl

You told me to wait a few hours, remember? lol

[SaintKerrigan]

Well, since Nacho already said it, I guess I won't wait, either.

HAPPY BIRTHDAY, HAYL!!!

[SaintKerrigan]

At least you gave me a good laugh, Benmage, when you QFTed Nikanor's statement about not posting so many walls...right before you bring up a ton of quotestorms.

[SaintKerrigan]

Congratulations on a tricky read-through, Nachomamma8. You definitely deserve a cookie.


For the record, though, I'm a he, not a she. Not that I'll get riled up and offended if you refer to me by the wrong gender, but I just thought I'd set the record straight.

Not much else to say at the moment, other than I'm looking forward to hearing the explanations for Nacho's predictions.

[SaintKerrigan]

???

You're town and you self-hammered?!?! Dammit, Farside!

[SaintKerrigan]

???

You're town and you self-hammered?!?! Dammit, Farside!

No one listens so why hold off any further? All that was left was listening to someone be completely off about their read again.

But how do you know that people wouldn't change their minds? Nacho could've changed his mind in ISO read. At the very least you should've let Nacho hammer you if he was so inclined. Hammering yourself, no matter what way you look at it, is just plain anti-town.

Now we have to hope that a mafia dies overnight in order to win.

[SaintKerrigan]

Phew. And I thought I made a mistake when I chose to kill Benmage over Nachomamma8...

Good game, everyone. It took me a while to get my head in the game (no thanks to the walls of text from Farside, Scien, and Benmage), but after that it was quite fun for me. Thanks to Haylen for good modding and sticking with it even though we had quite a few replacements. Actually, thanks to everyone that stuck around.

@ Benmage: Even though there were flaws with your trap, it did actually work as designed. You caught me flustered and unprepared, so I stuck with the safe route of not claiming. In hindsight, I should've just claimed my role.

@ Farside: You did a nice job individually, managing to pin down Nik and I as a scumteam. Fortunately for us, no one (except maybe EB) believed you.

Since no one's brought this up yet, I'm okay with Haylen posting up the Mafia quicktopic if Nikanor is.

Also, w00t! My first ever won game!!!

[SaintKerrigan]

It was actually Nik that got you killed, Mae. I wanted to kill Hewitt/Nachomamma, but he talked me out of it. Turned out to be a good decision.

[SaintKerrigan]

You something funny I just realized? Two of the four scum in this game offered cookies to people. Therefore, cookies must be scummy.

I'm so good at logic.

[SaintKerrigan]

So delicious and sweet and pois--erm, poised. Erm, yeah...

[SaintKerrigan]

I called SK and Nik scum. What did I say about Ben.
3 scum all on my wagon and Ben kills EB. Pfft

I seriously can't believe Ben didn't kill Nikanor. I mean, when there's only two unconfirmeds left and you're one of them (plus you're the wolf), that automatically means the other one is mafia. That logic actually led me to believe that I'd made the wrong decision about killing Benmage.

Benmage, did you overlook this fact, or was there another reason for killing EB that somehow superseded it?

[SaintKerrigan]

*lynches* IT DOESN'T HAVE CHOCOLATE! I NEED CHOCOLATE! CHOCOLAAAAAATE!

This.

It was fun watching you all kill each other. I wish I actually stayed in this game.

Wait. You were on this game?

He was one of my early-early predecessors.

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Farside: You did a nice job individually, managing to pin down Nik and I as a scumteam. Fortunately for us, no one (except maybe EB) believed you.

Yeah Ben wanted nothing more then a monk killed. He just absolutely refused to listen to the logic even when I showed Nik's poor play. It killed me that the mason was saying the exact same thing.
**shakes head*
I can't believe 2 people (1 who wants to see mafia dead) and 1 protown player calls Nik town based on so little comments and obvious fallowing.
Makes me want to play this game without trying next time just so I can be called a townie.

Well, I didn't feel like bussing because if my partner got lynched, that hurt the team's chances for surviving Night 3. Otherwise, I probably would've voted Nikanor.

[SaintKerrigan]

I was actually looking to replace into this game back in Day 2 when Nikanor was in prod range. So I would've replaced into a scum slot either way! lol

[SaintKerrigan]

I was actually looking to replace into this game back in Day 2 when Nikanor was in prod range. So I would've replaced into a scum slot either way! lol

But then you would break the

balance

.

??? Sorry, I don't quite get it.

[SaintKerrigan]

Oh, right. lol, it would. Good thing Nik came back, then.

[SaintKerrigan]

On another note...I totally called Benmage fishing for scum back on Day 2. That would've been an appropriate time for town to listen to the mafia.

[SaintKerrigan]

I wanted the wolves to win from the get-go, however.

All I see win were Mafia or Town...and sometimes the SK.

Traitor!

Vote CSL.

[SaintKerrigan]

I wanted the wolves to win from the get-go, however.

All I see win were Mafia or Town...and sometimes the SK.

It's not like people like putting werewolves in anyway.

I loved my flavour scene! Werewolf + bunny = weirdness.

Agreed. Werewolf + bunny = epic weirdness. Weirdness I like

Out of curiosity, what drove the wolf nightkills?

[SaintKerrigan]

When I WASN'T in this game...

Seriously, during the short time I was in the game, I wanted my faction to win, but after a certain mistake, I switched back to the wolves.

Join the bandwagon...we have chocolate chip cookies.

[SaintKerrigan]

Out of curiosity, what drove the wolf nightkills?

Nothing!

(For N1, I seriously picked a name out of a hat.)

LOL!!! What would you have done if you drew yourself or Benmage/Canada/Yamijoey?

Agreed. Werewolf + bunny = epic weirdness. Weirdness I like

Well, I kind of spammed that to Hayl so she would write that. Then I saw my role pm. Then I was like "Who cares, bring in the bunny!" [/quote]

Ah, heh heh.

Someday I want to die in a way that involves chess. Maybe I choke on a pawn, have a ginormous queen dropped on my head, who knows?

[SaintKerrigan]

Oops, screwed up the quote tag.

Agreed. Werewolf + bunny = epic weirdness. Weirdness I like

Well, I kind of spammed that to Hayl so she would write that. Then I saw my role pm. Then I was like "Who cares, bring in the bunny!" Very Happy

Ah, heh heh.

Someday I want to die in a way that involves chess. Maybe I choke on a pawn, have a ginormous queen dropped on my head, who knows?

[SaintKerrigan]

Wait until I mod an open game, SK. I'll be that nice.

Thanks.

[SaintKerrigan]

I actually don't mind Open games. It was nice to know for once which roles would be present and which would not. Of course, I got used to playing open games on another website.

[SaintKerrigan]

And if you guys wind up hosting games, I wouldn't mind Pre-inning. It'll give me something to do while waiting to mod my own game.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm currently in line for Open 210. (sigh) Long way to go...

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm currently in line for Open 210. (sigh) Long way to go...

Yeah, but it could be worse! You could be on the Mini Normal queue!

200, 200, 200~

I was on the Mini Normal queue. I switched per Haylen's advice.

[SaintKerrigan]

Oh hai, partner.

*cries for ElectricBadger, as promised via QuickTopic*

Did you really think I was the most town? I had a not-as-favorable view on myself exiting Day 3.

[SaintKerrigan]

Haylen ~ Saving people from certain boredom since...pretty much ever.

This.

[SaintKerrigan]

I had a not-as-favorable view on myself exiting Day 3.

Well...I thought you were scum, so yeah.

Actually, this was directed at EB. I already knew what you thought of me...

[SaintKerrigan]

@ Scien: Werewolves, obviously. Why would a werewolf kill one of their own (except maybe Maemuki drawing her name out of a hat)?

Lol, I was actually thinking about spinning this huge preposterous tale about how you and Farside were scumpartners doing major distancing. And then you died. Oh well. I probably wouldn't have gotten away with it, anyway.

[SaintKerrigan]

Best flavor ever in this game. By far the best I have seen. Nothing even comes close.

QFT.

This.

[SaintKerrigan]

Best flavor ever in this game. By far the best I have seen. Nothing even comes close.

QFT.

This.

Fourth'd.

This should be nominated.

Done.

[SaintKerrigan]

Oh, and SK, I thought the same way!

You know, maybe Scien and Farside are the last scum.

Maybe that was an elaborate attempt to bus each other. To muddle the town's connections, to write huge walls of text so they could ride a easy victory.

Has the Werewolves quicktopic been posted? I'm too lazy to go back and read. Also I don't know if Ben wants to reveal it.

The quicktopics haven't been posted yet.

[SaintKerrigan]

I'm cool with posting both the scum and the monk Quicktopic.

[SaintKerrigan]

^^w00t! Got both posts 1200 and 1300!

[SaintKerrigan]

I actually wasn't trying for either 1200 or 1300. Just thought it was funny that I got both. Oh well, this reinforces my belief that people shouldn't do that.

And Farside, walls of text may look impressive, but too many walls of text is too many walls of text. Eventually people's eyes glaze over and completely ignore everything you're saying. That's why I typically try to avoid posting walls except when necessary.

[SaintKerrigan]

I knew Nik was 100% scum. I wasn't sure if EB or you were the final scum. I actually sent in to kill Nik, but than retracted it for EB...I thought I nor Nacho or anyone else would be able to get their minds off EB...so rather than stalling next day in is Eb scum or is SK scum, i risked it and went for the gold killing EB...Turns out that was off and SK was scum...

Okaaaaay...you gave up a sure mafia kill for a 50/50 shot. That makes sense.

[SaintKerrigan]

I knew Nik was 100% scum. I wasn't sure if EB or you were the final scum. I actually sent in to kill Nik, but than retracted it for EB...I thought I nor Nacho or anyone else would be able to get their minds off EB...so rather than stalling next day in is Eb scum or is SK scum, i risked it and went for the gold killing EB...Turns out that was off and SK was scum...

Okaaaaay...you gave up a sure mafia kill for a 50/50 shot. That makes sense.

sarcasm?

Um, yeah. In your shoes, I would've gone for the sure kill.

[SaintKerrigan]

I personally never had any doubt about what the setup was. I also caught the win condition thing, and later I saw that Haylen put down 4-8 townies when it should've been 4-6 townies (with 2 masons and 2 monks, plus at least 1 each of mafia and werewolf 6 is the max number of townies you can have). It wasn't critical, though, so I didn't bring it up.

[SaintKerrigan]

Monk QuickTopic. Since I don't think it's been posted yet.