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[Kassadin]

Venmar

- BK-201 is once again trying to get Kassadin lynched. He seems to really not like how Kass plays. His contribution to the tracker/vigilante however does seem to be mostly towny. Whether he is trying to role fish i don't really know yet, but whoever the tracker/vigilante is should not claim under any circumstances at this moment. Too early to say what he is yet.

I think people who are trying to reinforce the fact that vig/trac should be tracker are trying to earn town credit

[Thomith]

yeah i know that sounds terrible but that is all i can get with kass, if both you and BK are town then i will consider kass a possible scum candidate, however if you are both scum they are likely town, if one is scum one is not then kass could be both.
yeah this is bleh reasoning but it's all i have :/.

p-edit @kass why is that?

[Kassadin]

Obviously scum people would try to earn much town credit as possible so they dont get lynched

[Thomith]

Obviously scum people would try to earn much town credit as possible so they dont get lynched

but why is the tracker/vig thing "gaining town credit"?

[Kassadin]

Llama already said that Trackor is good. Then comes along more people who totally agree and reenphasising this fact.
i dont see much point why it should be resenforced several times

[TeChNoWC]

Obviously scum people would try to earn much town credit as possible so they dont get lynched

but why is the tracker/vig thing "gaining town credit"?

Trying to argue the case over something that is less important than scumhunting.

Both roles have their advantages, and it depends completely on how Day 1 develops. A vig would better serve town if the person who is vig is not very well trusted amongst town and there are multiple scummy leads, a tracker more so if there are less scummy leads and more trust in him/her.

I feel as though discussion on this topic is taking too much precedence, and I agree that it just seems like an opportunity for scum to get easy brownie points. I wouldn't attack it as rolefishing, but semi-pointless conversation.

[BK201]

It's not pointless. People are selfish and Vig is for selfish people. Vig gives more individual power, but will screw up the other two power roles, and the rest of town by relation. 1 person saying so isn't guaranteed to be enough.

Btw Thomith, here we go again. Funny thing is I didn't propose PL on Kass. I just voted him cus I mean it.

[TeChNoWC]

BK, please explain your case on Kass. From what I know of you, you never vote without a case.

[BK201]

BK, please explain your case on Kass. From what I know of you, you never vote without a case.

Case? I voted him before he even posted. I hate Kassadin's "playstyle", it's that simple. He posts 1-3 sentences, maybe once a day, and they don't carry much weight. The worst part is like a troll because he does it on purpose. Now that I think of it, that is more of a policy vote than a rvs, but I'm not going to spam the thread with "Kassadin is a troll PL him". I do love where my vote is right now though.

[TeChNoWC]

So you are happy for him to be lynched on the basis that he is useless to town even if he is town, I am gathering?

What if he is the vig/tracker?

Your vote is a policy vote, and it's unhelpful; and it makes you seem somewhat disinterested in the success of town.

[Venmar]

Like Technosaid.

A policy lynch right now i think is kind of useless, and kind of unuseful. I have seen a game where Kassadin went (fairly) under the radar as a 2-shot vigilante. During the course of the game he avoided getting lynched, thus preventing the town from a stupid PR mislynch, and then he shot one of the mafia goons. So, despite Kassadin's quiet play style, he has a very good gut feeling and observation to pick out shady players, and i do not doubt these abilities.

The only bad thing i can see with Kass in this game is that is is nearly impossible to tell if he is Town or Mafia through his playstyle. For me at least.

[BwBurke]

I just confirmed, so that's everybody. Still reading over the thread.

[Arugula]

I just confirmed, so that's everybody. Still reading over the thread.

Get a working avatar.

i kept my random vote on because i forgot i had it up, also kass always plays this way, and usually if they are town or scum at least one scum bussess/jumps on them, for this reason
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Llama
for jumping on kass for the exact reason outside of RVS that makes it an easy wagon to jump on.
if you think into it a little then i guess BK could be scum from the RVS vote but really i prefer llama at this point, as RVS is RVS.

kass does this in all games, and at least one scum usually jumps on them for it, in this case i think it is you.

null read on kass, it honestly depends on your/BK's allignment.

Thomith votes Llama for jumping on Kass, but then says Kass is null. So why is it scummy that Llama jumps on Kass if Kass could be scum?
UNVOTE: Technowc (P.S. What can I call you [Technowc] for short?)
VOTE: Thomith

[TeChNoWC]

Ah dude, you voted for me in our other game, lol.

Just call me tech.

Seems like Thomith slipped, but I wouldn't say it's vote worthy. Will Iso him tommorrow.

[BwBurke]

VOTE: Kassadin for being Kassadin.

FoS: Arugula

for making fun of my being a no-avi. That seems a bit pointless to post if you're not scum trying to make your posts seem longer.

[The1fifi]

1) Town. Maybe icause its easier i guess.
2) About 4 or 5 completed, i left some games cause i moved towns and lost my internet connection.
3) The thing is, it may be lurking or it might just be lack of something to say ya know. Lying on the other hand...Depends if the townie would have a reason to lie, according to setup.
4) Cop is great
5) Whisky
6) Marvel

Erm, the thing that jumped onto me, was LammaLuff "no random" "no answers" vote. It might be some sort of day 1 opening strategy, i dont know, but doesnt strike me as something particularly nice. On hte vigilante/ tracker thing, for sure take tracker. The chance of killing 2 townies in one night with vigilante is too scary.

for now i'm going to random

vote Arugula

[b/]

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[The1fifi]

*sigh*

VOTE: Arugula

[Arugula]

VOTE: Kassadin for being Kassadin.

FoS: Arugula

for making fun of my being a no-avi. That seems a bit pointless to post if you're not scum trying to make your posts seem longer.

You're kidding right? Just get an avatar to help identify your posts. That's all. I wasn't making fun of you or making my posts longer.

[Arugula]

Ah dude, you voted for me in our other game, lol.

Just call me tech.

Seems like Thomith slipped, but I wouldn't say it's vote worthy. Will Iso him tommorrow.

Oh lol I got confused.

[LlamaFluff]

@fifi - What is your read on andrew and venmar?

I really shouldnt be having to ask specifically to extract information. Once a few of the ones who only have a few posts in I will get something going here. For now Kass I still dont like, especially since she is now attacking people for saying that taking tracker is good. There is nothing wrong with reitterating an important point with additional information or simply showing agreement with it.

[The1fifi]

Let me catch up. This is turning to be a faster game than im used to. I ll try to post in a few hours.

[LowMan]

Kassadin.. I've dealt with before. Was quite useless in that game and will likely be the same here. Also reads as scummy to me.

VOTE: Kassadin

[Venmar]

We already have 4 votes on Kassadin.. I would probably slow down on this and think about if we all really want to lynch Kassadin before we get too close to actually getting him lynched. I don't want a mislynch to happen under any circumstances this early.

Just saying.

[BK201]

Yeah it is going pretty fast. Anyways, this is a much better vote.
UNVOTE:
VOTE: rasberry

[Venmar]

@ BK-201

Care to explain why?