Open 410 Trouble in Paradise Game Over TOWN WIN

[Sir Bastion]

Hmm where is everyone?

[PeregrineV]

@Bastion- glanced over your big post, but haven't really gone through your scenarios. Game theory calls for no lynch, but would rather have a full day of discussion first.

[Sir Bastion]

In the meantime give me your reads scummiest to least


Mine are:

Jal
Peregrinev
Vijay

[RachMarie]

There is only four of you left if Vijay has not posted by tomorrow morning I will use the ol cattle prod

[PeregrineV]

Jal
Sir Bastion
Vijay

[Jal]

At this time we're going to have to consider Vijay town, since that's the most logical conclusion based on TvK's reasoning for jailing Gunny N2. That, or I somehow persuaded him with Vijay being townie by my post 539, which I doubt. TvK also strikes me as the type of player who wouldn't leave things up to WIFOM by choosing another player, either.

I believe Gunny committed both kills for N1 and N2. Gunny was the least suspicious player at the end of D1 along with PV. Obviously, we know both PV and Sir Bastion were either tracked/jailed and I'm not scum, so we can conclude:

Gunny killed Om N1.

So why Gunny N2?

The main problem with this discussion is that it's based primarily on TvK's reasoning for choosing to jail Drmyshotgun. I'll repost it:

My reasoning? You were my main scumread all day 2. LS got lynched and flipped tracker and also pointed at you as his main scumread. So it would be a bit too obvious to jail you. SB and Jal seemed more townish than shotgun and PV, who were still absolute nullreads at that point. And as I already jailed PV day 1, my choice for shotgun was pretty obvious, especially after his stupid hammer.

So what I think what happened. Scum didn't try to kill me day 1 as I wasn't totally confirmed by then, but I can't see how I wouldn't be the target of the nk. Do I think shotgun is scum? Yes.

TvK barely gave any reads on D2, except town reads on myself, Om and GW. There was no further indication on whom TvK thought was scum. He certainly didn't give any indication that Vijay was his top scum read. So, scum were left to WIFOM at the end of the day themselves.

Thinking about it though, drmyshotgun was possibly

the best

person to do the killing N2. As you said earlier Sir Bastion,

It just seems too easy no way would I let the player who hammered *by mistake* be the one deliver the kill if I was scum it just seems careless.

It follows similarly to TvK's logic for why he jailed Drmyshotgun instead of Vijay. Vijay was Lastsurvivor's main scum read, so TvK felt it would be too obvious to jail him. On the flip side, scum probably thought Drmyshotgun seemed too obvious to jailkeep after that hammer. That, combined with the seemingly universal null-town read on drmyshotgun, even by Lastsurvivor after the hammer, probably gave scum some confidence to put Drmyshotgun forward. Lastsurvivor also a gave slight scum read on Sir Bastion at the end along with Pv (with whom he was fighting with at the end of the day), so scum were probably wary of sending them for the kill anyhow.

Enough of N2 WIFOM.

So who is scum? I'll post more thoughts on that later. Thus far, my list is

Sir Bastion
Pv
Vijay

[Sir Bastion]

I'd like to hear vijay's thoughts if he's around.

[RachMarie]

Prodded Vijay

[vijay2vasandani]

Hey guys. Sorry I basically died. I'm going to do a reread. But as of right now, Jal is the last person I'd kill. That will be all. And I'm not lynching today.

If you want a NL you need to do it in proper format.

[Sir Bastion]

interesting.

Well do you guys want to talk about something or just get to the no lynch vote?

[Jal]

Sir Bastion, your basis for ruling out Pv is

Occam's Razor says C) is our answer. With shotgun's hammer and the fact peregrinev had already been locked up he should have moved the killing responsibility to himself.

and

Does Pergrin cross me as the sort of player who would have changed who delivered the kill himself after he had been locked up once?

It doesn't take into account any other situation which has occurred in the game. It looks like you're trying to rule out PV quickly and ineffectually while trying to hop onto his suspicion of me.

In your first real contribution D2 you said,

peregrienV is either the most blatant scum or a moron of the highest order

What made you rule out that he isn't blatant scum and instead just a moron of the highest order?
I thought Drmyshotgun acted completely different from his town game with me (where I was scum). What of drmyshotgun's play this game made you think he was acting different from his usual scum self?

[PeregrineV]

interesting.

Well do you guys want to talk about something or just get to the no lynch vote?

I still want to look over stuff before ending the day.

[RachMarie]

Vote Count

No one is voting....



You all need to pick up the pace

or I will take 3 days off the deadline

this is ridiculous.

With 4 it takes 3 to lynch

Deadline is in (expired on 2012-08-11 06:38:59)

[Sir Bastion]

Sir Bastion, your basis for ruling out Pv is

Occam's Razor says C) is our answer. With shotgun's hammer and the fact peregrinev had already been locked up he should have moved the killing responsibility to himself.

and

Does Pergrin cross me as the sort of player who would have changed who delivered the kill himself after he had been locked up once?

It doesn't take into account any other situation which has occurred in the game.

Considering that I framed this as a question, it does mean I am looking to discuss other situations. Do you feel Pergrin is the sort of player who would have made such a change during night 2?

It looks like you're trying to rule out PV quickly and ineffectually while trying to hop onto his suspicion of me.

I stated already I am trying to keep this as close to Occam's razor as I can. The player of the three of you with the most direct route to being scum would be my preferred choice if we were to lynch today. At the moment Vijay has the most wifom involved with TVK's death and you and pergrin are very close, Pergrin has a fair bit of wifom over night 2 because to me if I had been jailed once and informed as such the most direct action is for me to take on the night kills. You also have a bit of wifom but it's not as much as Pergrins to me.

In your first real contribution D2 you said,

peregrienV is either the most blatant scum or a moron of the highest order

What made you rule out that he isn't blatant scum and instead just a moron of the highest order?

Mostly because it hasnt happened again since, pergrin hasnt doggidly latched onto something and try to drive it to lynch. Now obviously with the real low activity in this game since day 1 there isnt a lot to go on, but days 2 and 3 didnt have the same pushiness to them that made me dislike his play on day 1.

I thought Drmyshotgun acted completely different from his town game with me (where I was scum). What of drmyshotgun's play this game made you think he was acting different from his usual scum self?

i've had one game with him as scum and he was more ambitious in that then he was here link

we are probably very lucky I wasnt the jailkeeper as I wouldnt have jailed him night 3, I would have tried jailing vijay or you instead.

Since I'm not confident in my reads I'm gonna throw out a no lynch vote for now

vote: No Lynch

[RachMarie]

(updated) Vote Count



No Lynch (1) Sir Bastion



You all need to pick up the pace

or I will take 3 days off the deadline

this is ridiculous.

With 4 it takes 3 to lynch

(I have been informed that it is 2 for a NL)

[vijay2vasandani]

Intent to hammer NL.

[PeregrineV]

VOTE: No lynch

[PeregrineV]

Sorry on tablet?

[Jal]

Do you feel Pergrin is the sort of player who would have made such a change during night 2?

Considering the WIFOM probably involved D2? Maybe.

PV, I thought you wanted to wait a bit to read the thread and comment and such.

[RachMarie]

Final Vote Count



No Lynch (2) Sir Bastion, PeregrineV NO LYNCH



Flavor coming up in next post

[RachMarie]

The apathy today hung over the committee like lead. The mayor had to plead with them to do SOMETHING several times. Everyone seemed to be more focused on doodling on their notepads or playing with their cell phones.

Finally the town agreed to not lynch anyone today and sleep on it. What will tomorrow bring?



Deadline in (expired on 2012-07-31 14:23:18)

[RachMarie]

As the morning sunshine beams through the windows of the council meeting room you all glance around to see if you are all there after not lynching the day before... Wait someone IS missing. It is Vijay. Some surprise and shock is noted around the room since some of you assumed he was the other infiltrator. You all run out to check Vijay's room and find him there lying in a pool of blood, his glamor worn off and the mayor kneeling beside him, crying. She turns to all of you and says in a quiet voice filled with tears, This was Roderick McKnight and he was my son. Time is running out you MUST find the other mafia.



Vijay was killed on N 4 and was a

Vanilla Townie.

With 3 left it takes 2 to lynch. Deadline is in (expired on 2012-08-21 09:50:52)

However I do reserve the right to shorten it by 3 days if activity does not pick up.

[Jal]

TVK probably didn't switch whom he jailed then. Pv, any further personal insight from your re-reading?

Also, Vijay being the one probable confirmed townie and the one who said I would be the last person they would kill was night killed last night. I'm town.

Discuss.

[PeregrineV]

I was hoping to be killed, so haven't read back yet.

Saying you would never have killed the guy who was killed means nothing.

Currently leaning you=scum.

[Jal]

Actually, it does.

By the way, why did you think you had any chance of being killed last night?