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Post Post #100 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:26 am

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In post 99, OhGodMyLife wrote:
In post 65, ac1983fan wrote:@OGML, why are you assuming that Venmar's post was a scum attempt to appear town, rather than an actual townie reaction? Also, I think you might be interpreting Ven's words in ways that he didn't mean (or at least differently than I am interpreting them) regarding the "So early" phrase... I interpreted it as "We shouldn't lynch a player who hasn't posted this early in the game."

In short, that's the way my gut interpreted his posts. I'm no longer convinced I was right, because I don't think the two of you are scum together, and I think you're the scum in the equation.

Care to elaborate on why I'm scum?
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Post Post #101 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:11 am

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Votecount 1.04:

vijay2vasandani - Chrimi, Elmo TeH AzN
mastermind - Darkling_Perhaps
Venmar - Alduskkel
Alduskkel - vijay2vasandani, Nobody Special, absta101, Venmar
absta101 - mastermind
ac1983fan - OhGodMyLife

Not voting - Chimera, ac1983fan, kondi2424

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Post Post #102 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 9:17 am

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Hmm.

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Post Post #103 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:45 pm

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In post 83, vijay2vasandani wrote:Well did I get kidnapped or did somebody cast a spell on me? Anyway this is fruitless. We can agree to disagree.

And the thing Venmar is talking about may be unlinkable atm. I will say no more.


For my sake, could you elaborate on what you mean? You don't like how i play, or what i am saying or what?

Will post something else in a little bit.
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Post Post #104 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 3:56 pm

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In post 81, Alduskkel wrote:
@Venmar: Let me ask you this. When you said:
Venmar wrote:But from experience from playing mafia, i know that some players jump on wagons. I have met these kinds of people, and i have no idea if any of you are those kinds of people. All i want is to slow this down.
Can you link me to the games where this has happened? Have you actually been in a game that had a quicklynch?


Plenty of quicklynches in open 399. This is a ongoing game right now so i will not say anymore.
I have seen several near quicklynches where people are thrown into L-1 extremely quickly.

- I will admit i have not seen any quicklynches yet at the very beginning of the game, but that does not mean that my reaction to the near quicklynch of Vijay is necessarily scummy. My reaction was genuine, i did not want to risk a quicklynch and since i still don't have much experience on this matter, i think i can say that my reaction was me being honest. I know what you mean though that normally someone should trust players to not do something such as a first day quicklynch, regardless if you know the players or not, but in my case i was not sure so i made the move that i made. I simply was not in favor of putting someone at the risk of a quicklynch SO EARLY, and when the person has not even posted yet.
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Post Post #105 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 8:43 pm

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I was talking about what you just said. Coincidentally, it just finished so it's all good now. I can't believe we lost that. I dont even.. after I die here I think I'm going to siteflake for a while.
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Post Post #106 (ISO) » Mon Jun 04, 2012 11:47 pm

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@Vijay
I'm coming off Ald. I'd rather vote my own scum read so I feel more involved.
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Post Post #107 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 1:17 am

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Go for it. This is stalling. But Ald is still prob-scum.
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Post Post #108 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 9:18 am

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Well...this has been exciting. absta has finally decided to start playing the game, gold sticker for you!


In post 48, vijay2vasandani wrote:
Also absta vote is terrible. I'm going to leave it at that for now, will explain later.


I've been waiting to see what kind of explanation you would give us about absta's vote, but the only thing I see is...

In post 69, vijay2vasandani wrote:I asked absta to vote Ald with me, so lay off him. Also NS voted Ald first. It was his RV that VM missed.

In post 80, vijay2vasandani wrote:
I know I'm town, so absta giving his vote to me to help me catch scum is very townie, yes.


I find this to be buddying. Just because you say you're town does not mean that absta is also town for giving his vote to you, which is what you just said. Plus the fact that you were trying to push the attention away from absta even though you said was "terrible" makes me think it's the opposite way around, where you are scum and absta is a blind townie looking for some easy vote to cling onto.

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Post Post #109 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 10:49 am

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No mastermind. Me and absta have played several games together, and thus I personally like him a touch more than people I don't know. Call it buddying if you want, but know that town has to buddy as well to work effectively. Furthermore, the Ald vote needed pressure. Absta helped me scumhunt willingly, so I believe he is town, and most likely not scum with Ald.
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Post Post #110 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:01 pm

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@ac
Quite a lot of your posts consists of you defending ven.
Who is your top scum suspect? Why aren't you voting him?
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Post Post #111 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:36 pm

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@Mastermind
"I think absta is the scummiest player. He's contributed nothing"
What do you think of Chrimi, Elmo & Kondi?
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@Venmar
Could you elaborate your case on Ald please.
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"Also absta vote is terrible. I'm going to leave it at that for now, will explain later. (as in after I feel like what needs to be achieved is achieved)"
Could you explain this please. Mastermind seems to think you were referring to my vote whilst I thought you were referring to mastermind's vote on me.
Also, what's to be achieved?
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Post Post #112 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 12:52 pm

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In post 111, absta101 wrote:
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Could you elaborate your case on Ald please.


First of all, any reason why you are asking me out of all the other people who are voting for him.
Second, i am voting for Alduskkel because of his jump on me, at least in my eyes, is outrageous. I don't think my honest reaction to the possible quicklynch of Vijay to be justifiable enough. We are talking about an event that had a 50/50% chance of happening, and going on the weird assumption that no one would jump on a Vijay lynch is not enough for me, especially since i do not know any of you extensively. If any of you know me you would know i play very honestly, and i felt the urge to question the quick wagon because no one had any reason to make the wagon, Vijay had not spoken yet, it was going off way too fast for my taste, especially since this is my first experience on this kind of matter.

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- What is your read on me. I am assuming Chrimi, Kondi, and Elmo are you only null reads what are your reads me and the others.
- Why vote for Chrimi, is it at random or is there a reason why you chose to vote him over Elmo and Kondi?
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Post Post #113 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 2:40 pm

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You're interpretation is right absta. I just explained it to mastermind. What's this about achieving something?
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Post Post #114 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 3:18 pm

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@Venmar: What do you mean the event had a 50% chance of happening?

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Post Post #115 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 4:46 pm

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Votecount 1.05:

vijay2vasandani - Chrimi, Elmo TeH AzN, kondi2424, mastermind
mastermind - Darkling_Perhaps
Venmar - Alduskkel
Alduskkel - vijay2vasandani, Nobody Special, Venmar
ac1983fan - OhGodMyLife
Chrimi - absta101

Not voting - Chimera, ac1983fan, kondi2424

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Deadline is in (expired on 2012-06-20 15:09:21), or by 2:10 PM on June 20th, 2012.


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Post Post #116 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 5:25 pm

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I have contributed nothing to this game x.x

Player Analysis

Chimera: Lurker. Glad he's being replaced.
vijay2vasandani: I'm thinking town, just based on his arguments. I don't think he was votehopping earlier, more looking to pressure scum. I don't like his absta budying argument but I saw him do that in 399 so maybe it's just his thing
Nobody Special: V/La, no word from him either
Chrimi: Lurker, somehwat unlike him, but that could also be said of me.
Elmo the AzN: I literally couldn't understand his first couple of posts
absta101: I'm more suspicious of him now, he seemed inactive at first but his recent slew of questions seem to suggest taht maybe he was just laying low and lurking and this is his attempt to appear townie when pressured
Venmar: the concern over a quicklynch felt genuine which made me think he's a townie, just not very masterful
ac1983fan: whiteknighting Venmar early on, but I feel he's proven himself as actually searching for scum with his later good points on alduskkel's bandwagon and in his own defense he reacted well
OhGodMyLife: more active of the players, but I have a hrd time getting a read from his posts. My gut says town but it needs further analysis
Alduskkel: I feel his Venmar argument has gone past tunneling to full-out suspicion. What I mean is he didn't cave even when people called him scummy for pointing out Venmar's behavior, which speaks to me of a very townie thing to do
mastermind: Hasn't proven himself to me at all, still was noncommittal and recent posts haven't felt like they're actively seeking scum, jumping votes on small stuff
kondi2424: His posts are much less 'full' than from where I've played with him before, a lot more gut reads and lack of time spent in the game. I think he may be scum.

In post 75, mastermind wrote:
darkling wrote:He was generally noncommital towards the Venmar argument until a 'winning' side emerged and then he latched on. Then he changed his story from questioning vijay over his actions to claiming venmar and ac are scummy with ac subtly letting venmar play victim.


I'm really confused here so let me think this through. I'm assuming you think that there are two sides: venmar and ac versus OGML and Ald, and you say that the "winning" side is OGML and Ald because I said something about venmar and ac? If you've been paying attention you'll notice that I never said anyone was scum. If you're looking for something definitive from me then ok here we go: I think absta is the scummiest player. He's contributed nothing other than two votes (one which was random, and the other because somebody told him to) and two questions. Heck we haven't heard anything from kondi, even though she's been posting in other games, and I think she's just a tad less scummy than him.

Right here you're putting words in my mouth. I never said there was a side at all, I said you were waiting for a winner to join sides with. You spent the first half of the game purposefully not taking aside until you saw a winner and you're trying to discredit me. Since then you've been more active but not much more informative. I still think you're the scum and I get the feeling kondi is your partner.
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Post Post #117 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 8:57 pm

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Post Post #118 (ISO) » Tue Jun 05, 2012 11:46 pm

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@Vijay
In post #48 you said
"(as in after I feel like what needs to be achieved is achieved)"

What needs to be achieved?
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"Why vote for Chrimi, is it at random or is there a reason why you chose to vote him over Elmo and Kondi?"

I voted Chrimi because he had the least content out of the lot.

"What is your read on me. I am assuming Chrimi, Kondi, and Elmo are you only null reads what are your reads me and the others."

All my reads are basically null-leaning scum/town.
Venmar:

"If any of you know me you would know i play very honestly"
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"and since i still don't have much experience on this matter, i think i can say that my reaction was me being honest."
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Null-leaning scum. You keep trying to make yourself look 'not-scum' with references to personality and experience.
It's like you're trying to say "I'm so honest, I can't be scum".

mastermind:

"To me right now it seems like vemar is trying to play the victim,"

I agree with him here but he seems to be sitting on the fence on the whole matter. Posts #29/32/47/etc.
Do you think Venmar is scummy or are you still unsure?

Vijay:

Post #40. Seems to me like you're the opportunistic one here. You were just waiting for someone (other than OGML) to vote Venmar so you could jump in and call them opportunistic. What about being an easy target makes someone not scum?

everyone else

Null-'too bored to check'
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@Darkling
"he seemed inactive at first but his recent slew of questions seem to suggest taht maybe he was just laying low and lurking and this is his attempt to appear townie when pressured"
Pressure from whom exactly?
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Post Post #119 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 8:33 am

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Post Post #120 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 9:35 am

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/Confirm, Reading,
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Post Post #121 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 11:38 am

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@ absta: nothing. But I think Venmar is town, so yeah. If I was being opportunistic, why not OGML?

And that comment was about pressure. If I told everybody that you sheeped me for pressure reasoning before I thought the Ald avenue was fully explored, our votes would become redundant.
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Post Post #122 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 1:50 pm

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In post 120, PJ. wrote:/Confirm, Reading,
Unvote

Not only do we have the same join date, but I'm about 80% sure I've played in a game or several with you before. :D
In post 110, absta101 wrote:@ac
Quite a lot of your posts consists of you defending ven.
Who is your top scum suspect? Why aren't you voting him?

I'm not voting anyone because we have two weeks to the deadline.

As for who my top scum suspect, I'm leaning towards Ald or kondi at the moment, but that's just off the top of my head. I've been a bit busier than I expected lately and haven't been able to get good reads on people as a result. I should have enough time to ISO everyone tonight and post my reads tomorrow.
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Post Post #123 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 4:57 pm

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Haven't finished reading but right now I'm seeing an Ac-Vijay scumteam
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Post Post #124 (ISO) » Wed Jun 06, 2012 5:22 pm

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