Micro 70 ~ Mafia in Triplicate (Game Over!)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

I said "

Scum could potentially have asked town what to do with their info to make it seem like they want to hear town's opinion's about it.

"

I am pointing out the flaw in logic because while you may well be town, the reason that Tierce gave alone isn't enough to come to that conclusion from someone who doesn't know your alignment.

What I am more interested in right now is your response:

- You don't question Tierce's townread on you or ask her why she thinks you are town. You seem content to have Tierce assume that you are town more than trying to figure out her affiliation.

- You are paranoid that the town read on you may be "undermined" when I wasn't accusing you at all in the first place, but rather Tierce.

[Konowa]

I find it easier to find scum by focusing on their scumreads, not their townreads. So yes, right now I'm not worried about Tierce's townread.

I don't get where you get the paranoia from. Tierce explained a read, but even in depth it wasn't enough for you.

[Konowa]

Also, if the italicized is referring to me, I don't think I ever asked what to do with said knowledge. Where are you getting this from?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Konowa, explain how the fact that you were willing to share information with the town makes you town.

Questioning player's townreads is important in finding scum because scum often call townies "town" and have "townreads" on townies.

Regarding paranoia - Your initial FOS was understandable and can be chalked down to a miscommunication. What I find suspicious is this:

After

I plainly clarified to you that I wasn't accusing you but rather Tierce of being scum, you continue along the same line of reasoning. This shows me that you want Tierce to have a townread on you and you don't want me to dismantle the logic and negate the townread. This despite the fact that negating Tierce's townread on you is a FOS on her for having a poor townread as opposed to a FOS on you, i.e. I wasn't saying "Tierce's townread is false, Konowa is in fact, scum." I was saying "Tierce is having townreads for bad reasons, Tierce is scum looking for an excuse to have townreads on townies." My intent should have been clear based on me clarifying that I wasn't accusing you. Yet, you are worried about me "undermining" a townread. Your focus is in the wrong place. You are not scumhunting Tierce but rather seem more invested that Tierce thinks you are town and see my refutation of that townread as a threat to you despite it being aimed at Tierce.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Well, this gets even more interesting.

Also, if the italicized is referring to me, I don't think I ever asked what to do with said knowledge. Where are you getting this from?

My mistake. You never did. That solidifies my scumread on you.

Now, let's look at Tierce's post:

To put it in examples:
1) "There is something that might happen at the end of D1, I have no details" - could be from either alignment.
2)

[Clams up about real info]

- probably scum.
3) "Uh, guys, I have role information about D1, I don't know if I should reveal it, opinions?" - Town.

Tierce says that you did, hence you are town. Tierce's reason for thinking you are town never existed. YET, you didn't question that read and take Tierce's read at face-value and question ME for questioning HER.

UNVOTE: Shmugen
VOTE: Konowa

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Slight mistake there. I realized you said you never asked what to do with the info, not whether or not you should reveal it. It is irrelevant though. Your behavior/paranoia is my primary reason.

[Shamrock]

I'm more inclined to think Xaxle is scum.

Why?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Shamrock, why no opinions on me and Konowa accusing each other?

[Shamrock]

I have Opinions but I wanna see how he responds to your post first.

[saulres]

Sorry I missed your birthday, Tierce. Hope it was a good one!

I have just skimmed, and can't really discuss all the new stuff that came in, so I'm focusing this post on those things I can comment on / respond to / notice easily. More hopefully tomorrow.

It is a bastard game.

Where does it state that?

Shamrock shows up just as saul calls him out. Hmm.

Pot, meet kettle.

Interesting also that you haven't taken your vote off your RVS person. I don't remember if that's your normal play or not but it does strike a chord.

Still good with my vote where it is.

Are you seriously complaining about lack of content in a totally contentless post?

Wasn't contentless; aside from my explaining that my content isn't going to be up to par, game-wise it included an explanation of why I left my vote on Xalxe.

Tierce, where's your rage? You town-raged on me in another game when you thought I was scum, you scum-raged on Amrun in PARANOIA Mafia. I'm glad you're calm on your birthday but your changed demeanor is worrisome. Has it changed since we last played together?

[Shmugen]

Unvote

Will synthesize more of what's going on here later, but a town bloc was forming and then poofed.

I'm now of the opinion that Empire is town.

[Vi]

Vote Count IV:

Exploring
Xalxe (L-3) ~ saulres, Konowa
Nobody Special (L-3) ~ Tierce, Empire
Shmugen (L-4) ~

{F-16_Fighting_Falcon,}

Shamrock
Tierce (L-4) ~ Nobody Special
F-16_Fighting_Falcon (L-4) ~ Xalxe
Konowa (L-4) ~ F-16_Fighting_Falcon

Empire (L-5) ~

{Shmugen}

Not Voting:

Shmugen

--With 9 alive, it takes 5 to lynch.
--Deadline is November 12, 2012 - in

(expired on 2012-11-12 20:00:00)

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[Tierce]

Tierce, where's your rage? You town-raged on me in another game when you thought I was scum, you scum-raged on Amrun in PARANOIA Mafia. I'm glad you're calm on your birthday but your changed demeanor is worrisome. Has it changed since we last played together?

Why is it worrisome if what you call 'rage' is alignment-null?

And as to where it is: under tight control, to be used when necessary. I'm not Fate.

[saulres]

Why is it worrisome if what you call 'rage' is alignment-null?

That was actually bothering me too so I thought about it today, and realized it's because I made a mistake. I was remembering your rage vs. Amrun and thought it was in PARANOIA Mafia where you were scum, but it was really in Worst Roles where you were town. I also remembered you saying somewhere (I'll have to look for it when I have time) that you're all rage-like when you're town but more calm when you're scum, and

that

is what was worrying me. I just couldn't put my finger on that memory yesterday.

[Tierce]

Don't strep all over yourselves to produce content, people. Or did you drink that much over Hallowe'en?

@saul: I don't get angry at random. I get annoyed if I think someone is ignoring obvious scum,

and

I have a bad tendency to argue with my scumreads that does not lead anywhere good. I see no point to throw a hissy fit out of the blue when I can analyze the game more logically, and have had plenty of 'calm' Town games.

(As a note: yes, I am aware of my meta, but randomly informing me of it at a point where it is irrelevant for lynching someone seems a rather bad idea--you're informing someone of what they should do to look Town in your eyes regarding meta. Now what would you think if I went all

Justice

wagon on someone, hmm?)

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

So... I am attacking your biggest townread. Why no comment?

[Tierce]

Too much work. Will "you're wrong" do?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

^ Who are you and what are you doing with Tierce's computer?

[Tierce]

Your lonesome vote isn't going to do much and I don't particularly believe you're Town, so.

[Shamrock]

How is F-16 scum?

[Tierce]

He's done nothing to convince me he's Town. But I'm still happy poking elsewhere.

[Konowa]

Today.
My modded game first.

[Empire]

@mod--I'll be V/LA until Tuesday the 6th while I go work on a 30 page paper. I'll try to post every now and again. Sorry for any inconvenience.

[Shmugen]

Did a quick skimming reread. Something about the tone of F16's questions doesn't seem right, starting from the original townread on Tierce because she broke the voting circle and scum want to blend in and continuing through this Konowa bit, seemingly pushing for more of the info.

VOTE: F16, though I want to hear more from Xalxe especially.

Tierce, where do you want to poke at today?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

@ Shmugen, exactly what about the "tone" of the questions doesn't seem right to you?

I explained the initial townread on Tierce. Based on the few posts that were made, those were my initial assumptions. Also, regarding Konowa, what "pushing for info" are you referring to?