Micro 71: Lucid Dreamers - Night 4

[Mist7676]

WAGON NO

[Mitillos]

@Mist: Why not? Also, do you have anything more substantial to add?

[Zoidberg]

Wagon ho!

VOTE: Empking

Hey bro, why the quick switch from me to empking?

[qwints]

You were a random vote. Empking's posting a lot without actual content which makes him actually scummy.

[Zoidberg]

You think?

7 posts, one of which is /confirm, and the other one is a doublepost.

So... 5 posts?

[qwints]

yep, which is 10% of the game thus far. 5 posts is plenty to do something.

[T-Bone]

Vote Count

Zoidberg - 1 (Empking)
PiggyGal15 - 1 (ProHawk)
Mitillos - 1 (Piggygal)
Empking - 3 (Zoidberg, Mitillos, qwints)

Not Voting - 3 (screamIampost, Siveure DtTrikyp, Mist7676)

Activity Check - Siveure has not picked up his role PM, replacements are queued, Siveure has until one of my replacements responds

Deadline is Thursday November 8th, 11:59pm EST

With 9 Alive, it Takes 5 to Lynch

[screamlampost]

You think?

7 posts, one of which is /confirm, and the other one is a doublepost.

So... 5 posts?

If 56 Posts (- a couple Mod ones) is enough to get out of RVS, then 5 is enough for a Vote switch.

[screamlampost]

VOTE: Siveure DtTrikyp

Just realized you were here. Come talk.

~both signed by M

[Mitillos]

More talk from Piggy, Pro, Mist and Siv, please. Any reads so far? Thoughts on the Emp wagon?

[PiggyGal15]

Emp, Zoid, Mit, you three are town, no doubt.

No idea about the rest of you.

[PiggyGal15]

Qwints

might

be town. We'll see.

[Mitillos]

Because we were in 56?
Seriously though, reads without justifications are scummy, in my book.

[ProHawk]

Mit, trying to read through a Lucid Dreams game because there is a lot of talk about theoretical planning and such. I don't know what to make of the sides (town or scum) without a solid background in how things could go. I will get back with some of my thoughts soon.

[Mist7676]

@Mist: Why not? Also, do you have anything more substantial to add?

I think early wagons seem to crash and burn.

Nope....

More talk from Piggy, Pro, Mist and Siv, please. Any reads so far? Thoughts on the Emp wagon?[/quote
No reads, And as I said early wagons are not smart.

The way I would

like

to play is we sit down, pitch a few ideas, get to know each other over a spot of tea, and then start explaining why the other person is a dumb scum who deserves to be burnt at stake. The empking wagon was started over RVS which leads to discussion, ultimately doesn't lead to a lynch.

[Mitillos]

@Pro: Well, planning won't happen this time, apparently, because of the rules. If a plan is good, it won' be allowed. If it's bad, it will lead to scum victory. But yeah, read up on other games. Get some good ideas for what you want to do tonight. Pro-tip: If you're scum, you can shoot yourself. Don't forget though that that part is only after the day is over. In the meantime, everything is the same as most regular mafia games, except that no one has a PR to claim. Scum is still scum, town is still town, they just have fancy names. So, participation would be nice.

@Mist: I don't like tea, but I'm alright with some cold water, if you wouldn't mind. What kinds of ideas do you mean? And yes, RVS wagons don't necessarily lead to a lynch. But they do lead to other important things, like discussion and reactions. For example, qwints jumping on the wagon could potentially be taken as an opportunistic scum reaction, or a bussing attempt, depending on Emp's alignment. Your opposition to the wagon could also be taken as scum trying to protect their buddy, or gaining town-cred for defending town, again depending on Emp's alignment. If everyone is sitting around at their ease, without any pressure from votes and questioning, scum will also be relaxed, so they won't make any bad moves or other slips. They know they have control overnight, since town doesn't know who is scum and who is not, whereas they have all the information. If they also have control during the day, they will win.
Since you don't have any reads yet, what do you think of Zoidberg's reaction to qwints switching votes? What about Piggy's reads? Any thoughts on those?

[ProHawk]

Mil, my point is, until I see what has come of planning, who likes to pitch the ideas, and which way is generally pro-town, etc my reads won't be as effective. Don't worry, my activity here won't be a problem.

Can I shoot you if you're scum?

[Mitillos]

You can shoot me if you think I am scum. But you'd only be helping the mafia that way. If we mislynch today, for example and mafia kills 2 people, then if you also kill me, that's 4 town deaths. population down to 4, 2 are mafia. Mafia wins after Night 1.

And yeah, I see what you mean about what is pro-town and what isn't. I've only played one LD, the aforementioned Micro 56. In it, Some of us were for planning, some were against. Both sides included town. Mafia didn't really participate in that discussion much on D1, if I remember correctly. What they did was test the waters on no-lynching, which could have been a good idea for town, as it transpired.

[Mist7676]

I like your way of inciting discussion. I'll bite

Well, making my posts I thought of how my opposition would sound to emp's lynch, but I didn't think much of it. On the ideas part, maybe we can organize actions, one person jails another, two people become lovers, or maybe a cop check. Those kind of ideas.

Zoig seems like a sacraficial-scum. He wants votes so he can leave his partner in the dark? That is what I see from his post of qwints switching. But it is also understandable from any pro-town player, a vote without reasoning is scummy in any way. In "pinky's reads" I wouldn't consider them as reads. Maybe like FoS, or the opposite, because it is just a few people she seems to think is town by their posting style.

@Pinky, what about their posts shout town to you?

[ProHawk]

Mit - Thanks for the permission.

Piggy - There are some strange things going on with your posts. Explain yourself.

Here

Today we No Lynch.

And

Well that sucks plan wise :/
Therefore I will say, DON'T BE A HERO AND TRY TO VIG SOMEONE TONIGHT.

I'm serious here, RC got LUCKY last game. I doubt we'll get that lucky again.

Hmmm... All the role ideas I had are now unusable, which is saddening...

Here.

No-Lynch... and RC got Lucky? I would have vigged/lynched Klick myself if I would have been playing.

Both of these points are bad. Had a no-lynch occurred, Klick would not have hammered town (his most scummy post IMO). Had Klick not been vigged, he wouldn't have been lynched D2 because he would have faked his death. It was not a random vig target from what I saw.

My read on you - scummy. I see someone posting pro-town ideas with ulterior motives. Discuss/explain.

[Mitillos]

@Hawk: To be fair, had Klick not been vigged, rc wouldn't have died either. That could have changed things radically. And yeah, rc did vig the right target, but not everyone will. No-voting makes some sense, if we expect vigging to occur. Vigging makes some sense, if we expect no-voting to occur. Your point on ulterior motives is very good, however.

Unvote

Vote: Piggy

Sorry, ex-neighbour. You seem rather scummy right now.

@Mist: No biting, please. As for planning actions, as we discussed already, the current ruleset is bad for that. Either our plans will be good and disallowed by the mod, or they will be bad and mafia will take advantage of them. Discussing possible actions, without plans may sound like a good idea at first, but remember that mafia gets more information that way too. It's best to think of your own actions and act on them in secret, in this situation. Then on D2, we can discuss what we all did and try to find any liars. At least that's what I think, in this case. Also, good comments and questions. Keep it up.

[Zoidberg]

Either our plans will be good and disallowed by the mod, or they will be bad and mafia will take advantage of them.

Yep, sadly this looks like the case, but oh well. I just want to point out that I was right in 56. There was a broken strategy and we found it

Discussing possible actions, without plans may sound like a good idea at first, but remember that mafia gets more information that way too. It's best to think of your own actions and act on them in secret, in this situation. Then on D2, we can discuss what we all did and try to find any liars. At least that's what I think, in this case. Also, good comments and questions. Keep it up.

I'm on the fence about this. Fundamentally, the game is still about informed minority vs uninformed majority, so information and discussion is going to benefit town and scum, but

in theory it will benefit town more than it will benefit scum.

However, I do agree with you that

on D1

it doesn't make sense. Whether or not that's the case for subsequent days remains to be seen.

Currently not really liking qwits and prohawk.

Need more from Siveure dtTryasasdfadf.

[Empking]

Unvote

because I'm voting my town read.

Vote: Mit

for voting me for answering the questions he specificaly asked me (and that's all it was; the simple existance of answers.)

[Mitillos]

@Emp: Not really. It was their content. You said you like to participate in early wagons, so I gave you one of your very own, to enjoy. Also, you reacted to it solidly, so I have a slight town read on you.

[Empking]

@Emp: Not really. It was their content. You said you like to participate in early wagons, so I gave you one of your very own, to enjoy.

Are you saying that you voted me for saying I likeled early wagons?