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Post Post #12 (isolation #0) » Fri May 31, 2013 5:26 pm

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Hi guys!

I have some experience with real life mafia so I'm only a newbie regarding internet bznz. I'm also going to be extremely careful with the advice this SE and IC players give, since they could also be mafia.

I'm going to
Vote: Mew
just for the fact that he asked a question that does not look for a valid answer, is a question designed to make ferretlover look bad.
Mew wrote:Any reason you're concerned about the Scum giving themselves away?
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Post Post #17 (isolation #1) » Sat Jun 01, 2013 4:23 am

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In post 15, Vel-Rahn Koon wrote:
Fun fact: Activity in this game sucks. Bad. 8 posts in a 48-hour period from only 4 of 8 active players is atrocious.

In other news, darkwolf replaces Knixsilva, who never picked up their role PM.
I agree with this.

Where is everyone??

Pooky, why no lynch?

Garneite, why no vote?
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Post Post #54 (isolation #2) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:21 pm

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Shame activity picks up when I'm away... anyway.. here is what I found now that I've reread and (I'd say) all playes have posted:

- Nacho is not scum: his posts are filled with sincerity and good reasoning. I like him.
- People who posted that they would not vote for the fear of losing a townperson, are more prob town than normal, IMO. (Pooky and Gameite, IIRC).
- Darkwolf is not scum with MM. ("I agree with MM vote")
- Ferretlover is also town. I agree with nacho analysis and I think Mew's point here is really dumb:
Mew wrote:3. Scum partnered with a newbie and worried they might fall for so simple a page one gambit...? Yeah, this one seems plausible to me.
I'm a forum mafia newb and I think even someone with one braincell could not fall for that.

this ferretlover push is not my favorite thing of the game, but I guess it could be a valid stance since it seems Mew really believes in what he says.

Im' more worried about the second vote on ferretlover: Mortonforth.
In post 22, Mortontfrh wrote:
In post 10, ferretlover wrote:Master Mew, I want the Newbies to have an experience of the site; not losing automatically on D2.
So you're more concerned with the "Experience" rather than actually finding scum?
And now for a nicely placed first vote;
Vote: Ferretlover
IMO, this is weak scumhunting. It's like hunting on the surface layer, trying to paint it bad, and not analyzing the motivation layer.

Then Morton gets very quiet and lets people fight against each other. I don't like this.

This also means that if Morton is scum, then Mew is likely town.

Yep, I think I'm going to
Vote: Morton.
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Post Post #57 (isolation #3) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:33 pm

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Glad you liked at least one of my points. ^^

IIRC, the reason you liked Morton is because he posted that a D1 lynch and the inherent votes and relationships are more important than no voting, which is something that a scum could also post.

I'm working on getting an avatar but nothing pleases me... :(
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Post Post #58 (isolation #4) » Tue Jun 04, 2013 12:36 pm

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In post 56, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 54, Nani wrote:- Darkwolf is not scum with MM. ("I agree with MM vote")
In post 54, Nani wrote:Then Morton gets very quiet and lets
people fight against each other
. I don't like this.
So you're implying that darkwolf and Morton are a scum team? because that's how i'm seeing this. Considering the main part of the fight is Mew vs ferret.
I didn't think about it but a darkwold-Morton scumteam is more likely than a MM-Morton scumteam, just for the fact that I think scum try to avoid supporting each other.

Also, I think the fight has also Nacho, gameite, Mortn, myself, and well you here talking about it.
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Post Post #97 (isolation #5) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:08 pm

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In post 67, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 54, Nani wrote:People who posted that they would not vote for the fear of losing a townperson, are more prob town than normal, IMO. (Pooky and Gameite, IIRC).
Why?
Seems a sincere reaction. I thought about it and I identify with that sentiment.

Where is Morton??
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Post Post #98 (isolation #6) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:09 pm

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From the top of my mind, morton and darkwolf should be replaced or either deadline extended.
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Post Post #99 (isolation #7) » Thu Jun 06, 2013 2:13 pm

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Mastermew, thougts of Morton?
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Post Post #162 (isolation #8) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:19 am

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Hey Jason, did you realize that you are voting someone for something that your predecessor Morthas also did?
In post 145, JasonWazza wrote:
VOTE: Master Mew

I think this reasoning for voting Ferret is terrible, your basis for the vote is crap.
The fact that you have sat on it for so long is troubling.
In post 28, Mortontfrh wrote:
In post 24, ferretlover wrote: As an SE it is my job to introduce site meta and good play. It would NOT be good play for scum to out themselves.
Alternatively, do you think that it's good play for Town to discourage scum from outing themselves? I wouldn't consider taking an anti-town stance as introducing site meta and good play.
(...)
And now for a nicely placed first vote;
Vote: Ferretlover
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Post Post #166 (isolation #9) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:32 am

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In post 152, JasonWazza wrote:@ferret, use pressure but don't waste a good vote.

@Sakura Hana: so why aren't you scumhunting through everyone?
Wait, did you read the game?

Sakura is like one of the few in this lurker pool making good questions...
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Post Post #167 (isolation #10) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:32 am

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We have 2 days to deadline. We better compromise on someone or risk a no lynch.

AgentPooky - 3 (Sakura, Gameit2260,ferretlover)
Jason - 2 (Nani, StubbsKVM)
ferretlover - 1 (Master Mew)
StubbsKVM - 1 (Nachomamma8)
Gameite2260 - 1 (AgentPooky)
Mastermew - 1 (Jason)

5 to Lynch.


Deadline is in (expired on 2013-06-13 13:00:00)
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Correct my votecount if it isn't right but at this point, I'd say we should decide on Pooky or Jason.
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Post Post #169 (isolation #11) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:35 am

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In post 164, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 162, Nani wrote:Hey Jason, did you realize that you are voting someone for something that your predecessor Morthas also did?
Do you realize i am not Morthas?
I do.

Do not miss the point.

You are voting MasterMew for something that Morthas also did.

That implies you would also think Morthas is scum.
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Post Post #175 (isolation #12) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:45 am

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In post 165, StubbsKVM wrote: We only have about 3 days left for a vote, so I'm going to vote for someone who has been slipping under the radar and who has not been around for days.

VOTE: Nani

Nani, can you give me your ideas please?
My stances are pretty clear and explained in my posts:

I think ferret, Nacho and Sakura are solid town. Stubs looks town as well.

Pooky and Gameite are meh and should post more. Mew has suddenly dissapeared so...

I have a a bad feeling about Jason (previous Morthas) Recent posts where he tells everyone to scumhunt while he only votes Mew for something his predecessor also did and ignores pretty much everyone else, seals my vote for today.
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Post Post #197 (isolation #13) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:27 am

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What is this shit

Everyone does not want to get lynched. That is why more than half of the posts of this game are people DEFENDING from accusations, because guess what, regardless of alignment, a) everyone wants to keep playing and b)everyone wants to be perceived as town (yes even town).

This wagon is SHIT.
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Post Post #202 (isolation #14) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:37 am

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I disagree with this line of logic and makes me wonder if you are hunting real motivations or just theoretic bunch from Mafia 101.

Everyone in this game DOES mind if they get lynched.

Then we wouldn't spend posts on defending from accusations from another players.
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Post Post #205 (isolation #15) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:41 am

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Sakura. What slip?

What stubbs did was to post what everyone thinks: I don't want to get lynched.

It's a noob tell all the way.
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Post Post #206 (isolation #16) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:43 am

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In post 204, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 202, Nani wrote:I disagree with this line of logic and makes me wonder if you are hunting real motivations or just theoretic bunch from Mafia 101.

Everyone in this game DOES mind if they get lynched.

Then we wouldn't spend posts on defending from accusations from another players.
That's funny, cause if you read my posts i spend little time defending your bullshit, and more time aggressively hunting for scum.

Also i love how your trying to destroy an argument based on it being "theoretic".
The fact that you spend posts defending from my "bullshit" means that you care about not getting lynched. Just that posting that in a sentence is "the UTLIAMTE SCUMTELL!!!! 11111

Theory is bullshit.

Townies get lynched all the time for stupid stuff like appeal to emotion or newb card. Real motivation is my thing here. And not wantint to get lynched is as sincere as it can get, specially coming from a newb.
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Post Post #211 (isolation #17) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:50 am

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In post 207, JasonWazza wrote:
No it means i care if people misrepresent me to make my case seem less then it is.

Also what makes you think newb scum don't want to get lynched hmm?

I think someone is more motivated to white knight then to actually look for scum.
Are you done making shitty remarks about my play and trying to see if they stick in the wall? Is it a coincidence that my efforts of looking for scum are wanting to get you lynched=?

Regarding newb scum. Newb scum also don't want to get lynched. My point is that all players (yes even newbs) don't want to get lynched. Thatt is because this "dont want to get lynched" is a null telll and not a scum tell.
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Post Post #212 (isolation #18) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:52 am

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In post 210, ferretlover wrote: @Nani what are your thoughts about the Stubbs wagon?
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Post Post #219 (isolation #19) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 7:59 am

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In post 213, JasonWazza wrote:I'm gonna do a little test for you Nani.

What is my motivation as scum, to be the third highest poster in this game with 10 or so hours of joining it?

What is my motivation as scum, to get the town actually making content?

What is my motivation as scum, to aggressively push the people who are here to actually scumhunt?
- High posting is not indicative of alignment. Your fist vote was on MasterMew who was a very active player. Try again.

- Get the town to actually make content is not indicative of alignment. Your fist vote was on MasterMew who was also good on making people to posts.Try again.

- Agressively push the people who are here to actually scumhunt is not indicative of alignment. I really don't get this but I'm sure it's also not indicative of alignment.

This is exactly the bunch of theory crap that makes town lose so many games.
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Post Post #220 (isolation #20) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:00 am

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In post 218, JasonWazza wrote:
In post 215, StubbsKVM wrote:Nani's putting herself on the line to make my case.
That's the ultimate town tell.
No, No it's not.

It's called White Knighting and i will tell you why it's scummy

Player A is town, he does something scummy and Players start voting him, Player B is scum, and he knows that Player A is town so he starts defending him for when Player A finally gets lynched, as there is generally a decent amount of town credit for defending a town player.
WAIT

WAIT

WAIT

Are yopu implying that I am scum here and that Stubbs is town here?

Then why the fuck are you voting Stubbs?
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Post Post #222 (isolation #21) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:02 am

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COnfirm VOTE: JASON


Now that IS A SLIP.
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Post Post #228 (isolation #22) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:07 am

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In post 224, Sakura Hana wrote:Well Let's put it this way, if we lynch Stubbs and he flips town then we will go after Jason tomorrow, deal?

P-Edit: woot?
Argg although I want Jason lynched with all my heart, this is like the scummiest post in this page.
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Post Post #234 (isolation #23) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:11 am

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In post 227, JasonWazza wrote: Trying to appear town again i see.
I understand what you are hunting here. Simply put, I don't think this is a scumtell.

Ill stop this debate here because I want to reread Sakura and see if I missed anything.
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Post Post #240 (isolation #24) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:15 am

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wat
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Post Post #242 (isolation #25) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:17 am

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Why are you doing this?
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Post Post #252 (isolation #26) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:21 am

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In post 246, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 242, Nani wrote:Why are you doing this?
I already explained why, why dont you re-read?
I did reread but I don't get it.

Previous posts don't seem like a charade to get Jason lynched AT ALL.

The self vote is idiotic regardless of alignment... specially since if you were town and if you really believed Jason is scum, you would have voted him with me!

Unvote


Arg, need to think..
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Post Post #269 (isolation #27) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:32 am

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In post 267, Sakura Hana wrote:Or if that's too much for you, let's make another gamble, if you flip town then you guys can lynch me tomorrow.
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Post Post #272 (isolation #28) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 8:33 am

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Sakura, where does this "scum is scared of making deals" line of logic come from?
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Post Post #299 (isolation #29) » Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:14 am

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Ok I reread.

There is no way Sakura town could have gone from "Nice job catching that one Jason" and support his Stubbs case to "LOL REACTION TESTING, Vote: Jason"

I simply can't let this happen.

Vote: Sakura.
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Post Post #409 (isolation #30) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:55 am

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Back from an unexpected VLA. Sorry bout that.

I believe the claim basically because ferretlover was FUCKING OBVTOWN and this wagon was stupid as shit.

We should still lynch Sakura the OBVSCUM.

All that crap about voting along someone who he thought was scum, an call it a reaction testing, was just cheap damage control when she started lining un lynches. I can't believe we are not lynching her.

Vote: Sakura.
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Post Post #411 (isolation #31) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 7:59 am

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In post 224, Sakura Hana wrote:Well Let's put it this way, if we lynch Stubbs and he flips town then we will go after Jason tomorrow, deal?

P-Edit: woot?
How are we not lynching this?

Specially after calling Stubbs scum and Jason town.
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Post Post #429 (isolation #32) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:16 pm

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In post 427, StubbsKVM wrote:Let's hope they get on in time
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Post Post #431 (isolation #33) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:17 pm

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Can some of you at least compromise on Sakura? I know I won't be around tomorrow.
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Post Post #432 (isolation #34) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:17 pm

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In post 299, Nani wrote:Ok I reread.

There is no way Sakura town could have gone from "Nice job catching that one Jason" and support his Stubbs case to "LOL REACTION TESTING, Vote: Jason"

I simply can't let this happen.

Vote: Sakura.
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Post Post #436 (isolation #35) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:20 pm

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In post 433, Sakura Hana wrote:
In post 431, Nani wrote:Can some of you at least compromise on Sakura? I know I won't be around tomorrow.
I know i can compromise on voting myself if there's not enough voters, but why not lynch scum instead?
Who would that be?
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Post Post #437 (isolation #36) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:22 pm

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In post 434, Nachomamma8 wrote:I saw that, but it's not enough to destroy my townread on her, sorry.
Why do you have a townread on her?

Why aren't lining up lynches and having inconsistent reads not scummy to you?
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Post Post #439 (isolation #37) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:23 pm

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Regarding Pooky, there is no way scum votes no lynch after all that has been said. It is a solid noob town tell.

Come on, Nacho, I feel you are better than this or are you scum here?
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Post Post #440 (isolation #38) » Wed Jun 12, 2013 2:25 pm

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Sakura, why aren't you commenting the case I have against you?

Is this the first time you play the reaction test card?
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Post Post #500 (isolation #39) » Sun Jun 16, 2013 1:01 pm

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I'm baffled. I wasn't expecting sakuratown and ferretloverscum, not even sakurakill, this prob means something besides that I suck with some of my reads.

First things first, ferretlover scum means Master Mew (now TSO) is 100% town (that fight at the beginning of D1 is nothing like scum on scum). Aditionally TSO's paranoia on Nacho, is townie as fuck, (I have it too) so I'm not lynching him pretty much ever.

I'm also putting Stubbs as 100% town for his first post of today. If he were scum he would not have confused setups. (he would have known the setup from d1).

Second, I analysed Sakura posts since she wasn't particularly protown (scum could have supported my case against her, netting two mislynhces), looking for relationships with possible scum alive killing her, but unfortnately, her last posts are aimed at ferretlover (dead scum) and Pooky (dead town).

Finally, the hardest thing:

Nachotown means that Gameite scumn thought the relationship between ferretlover and Sakura was impossible bussing, so he killed her instead of Nacho, while at the same time not being too obvious after what Nacho said at the end of the day. }

But was Sakura kill more worthy than Nacho kill who is pretty much not suspected, IC, active, etc??

Nachoscum is a possible answer to that question. Another thing to consider is that Nacho started the day supporting ferretlover, attacking MasterMew.

Another scenario is Nachotown totally wrong in his reads and scum left is using him to lynch Gameite (which would mean Gameite is town). But this would mean either Stubbs or TSO is scum, and I already cleared them as town, so I won't use this scenario.

One thing I know. It's either one of Nacho or Gameite.
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Post Post #509 (isolation #40) » Mon Jun 17, 2013 1:03 pm

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In post 501, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 500, Nani wrote:I'm also putting Stubbs as 100% town for his first post of today. If he were scum he would not have confused setups. (he would have known the setup from d1).
We don't know which setup it was, but Stubbs automatically assuming that it was a setup with a One-Shot Bulletproof could mean he's the Mafia Roleblocker.
After all that claim fest that killed Jason and lynched ferret, I really doubt scum would confuse the setup or would automatically assume without thinking in all possibilities. This is more likely a noob town tell.

Also I don't see a claimed bulletproof, so...
In post 501, Nachomamma8 wrote:
In post 500, Nani wrote:One thing I know. It's either one of Nacho or Gameite.
Why are you so quick to clear people when you tried clearing ferret yesterday and was completely wrong?
Being wrong once, twice, etc, does not mean I am wrong this time. This is some kind and althought is not indicative of alignment, you should be ashamed of using it.

Does this imply that do you disagree with my reasons to clear stubbs or tso?
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Post Post #531 (isolation #41) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:21 am

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In post 525, StubbsKVM wrote:
In post 524, T S O wrote:Town Vanilla.
Same.
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Post Post #533 (isolation #42) » Wed Jun 19, 2013 8:31 am

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In post 513, T S O wrote:Tell you what: the whole game agrees it's Nacho or Game. So we get Game today, and then Nacho ^_^.
I'm going to hate you forever if you are scum, like really.
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Post Post #582 (isolation #43) » Fri Jun 21, 2013 2:08 am

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Vla until sunday....might be around
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Post Post #593 (isolation #44) » Mon Jun 24, 2013 11:45 am

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I agree with Nani is not scum and I have solid town reads on Stubbs and TSO as well for reasons previously explained. But I'm extremely bothered with Gameite's silence and his BP claim, which I think it's perfectly possible for noobscum to make, given these conditions. Also his agressive ask for counterclaims is weird considering his passive stance during the whole game.

Nacho is defending hard, but man, the only thing that makes me want to vote Nacho is that he didn't die and he was a solid kill yesterday. Unless Gameite thought it would be very obvious, specially with Nacho's asking for his death yesterday...

Fuck WIFOM, I want some last words from both before voting.
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Post Post #643 (isolation #45) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 12:50 pm

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OVERKILL

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Yeah, if it didn't feel from my last post, I was leaning to Game scum and didn't want to hammer Nacho in the idea that the last post from Gameite was a scummy hammer so people weren't overthinking too much in LyLo. Also I would get rid of the sneaky Nachoscum scenario. I'm glad TSO and Stubbs were not idiots and caught the "one of Nacho-Game is scum dichotomy", which is what won the game.

Good game all.
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Post Post #649 (isolation #46) » Tue Jun 25, 2013 1:39 pm

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It was fun indeed. But, VRK, do you really think I would have been lynched over Gameite tomorrow if we had lynched Nacho today?

I think this is also a question for both Stubbs and TSO.

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