Open 543: Pick Your Poison (Game Over!)

[penguin_alien]

Honestly? Didn't do more than skim the thread overnight since a) there was a one in three chance I'd be dead come morning, and b) I figured the vig would claim (and have shot someone *cough*) making for two fewer slots to sort.

But we'll have three conf-towns and four town-controlled kills. In a field of eight. I'll catch up shortly, preferably after the vig claims so I can do so with maximum info.

[Aegor]

Read the thread. Sorry; brain fart.

Falcon: VT
Maxous: VT
Beli: VT
Kalimar: VT
Penguin: 1-shot Cop
Kublai Khan: IC

That leaves N and me.

[N]

I'm VT. Are you done wasting time now, Aegor? All I've read of the thread was the mod's iso and it was obvious even before I offered to replace in your slot is the vig.

[Aegor]

No need to be snippy. The massclaim was not a waste of time.

I am the Vig. Yuni vigged BoroPhil for some elusive reason, and I did not see the need to Vig last night given the chances of being NKed.

So the remaining scum is one of {Falcon, Maxous, Beli, Kalimar}.

There are eight players remaining. Each Day/Night cycle eliminates 2 players, which means by tomorrow morning we have 6, the next morning we have 4, and then another lynch. If I Vig, tomorrow we have 5, the next day we have 3, and then another lynch.

So basically I will Vig tonight and only if the scum is the one person we do not kill, we will win this game.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

No need to be snippy. The massclaim was not a waste of time.

I am the Vig. Yuni vigged BoroPhil for some elusive reason, and I did not see the need to Vig last night given the chances of being NKed.

So the remaining scum is one of {Falcon, Maxous, Beli, Kalimar}.

There are eight players remaining. Each Day/Night cycle eliminates 2 players, which means by tomorrow morning we have 6, the next morning we have 4, and then another lynch. If I Vig, tomorrow we have 5, the next day we have 3, and then another lynch.

So basically I will Vig tonight and only if the scum is the one person we do not kill, we will win this game.

You forgot to include N in the list of remaining possible scum. With eight players remaining, you being the vig, KK being the IC, and Penguin being the 1X Cop, we have a pool of five {F-16, N, Maxous, Beli, Kalimar} as potential scum. So yeah, you should obviously vig someone tonight and we should win unless we lynch/vig all four townies in our pool of five and leave the scum.

[Aegor]

Yeah, sorry about that. I do not want Falcon lynched today.

The set is {F-16, Beli, Maxous, N, Kalimar}

goodmorning (7): BoroPhil,

F-16_Fighting_Falcon

, emeraldemon, Kublai Khan, Tammy,

[N]

,

[Kalimar]

-- Off the wagon:

Beli

,

Maxous

iamausername (6): Powerofdeath, Kublai Khan,

Belisarius

, emeraldemon,

Maxous

, iamausername -- Off the wagon:

F-16

,

N

,

Kalimar

On the first wagon, both N/Yiley and Kalimar/Zekrom have votes that could very easily be bussing. F-16 encouraged people to lynch GM over PoD. That seems unlikely to come from a scum buddy.

Zek FoSed iam but never actually voted. I do not know why he is being townread.

Also worthy of note on Day 1 is Maxous, who correctly pegged both scum team members. Also unlikely to come from the buddies.


My recommendation is that we lynch Kalimar today. I will Vig Yiley tonight. Beli will be lynched tomorrow.

[N]

F16, what do/did you think of Yiley?

[N]

Also: Aegor, did you choose which slot you were replacing into?

[Aegor]

How is that relevant?

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Aegor, I am townreading Zekrom/Kalimar for the reasons I wrote in Post 710. What are your thoughts about it?

N, I think the most likely scum is you/Yiley but I'll give you a chance to convince me otherwise. I like playing with you and I am hoping I was wrong. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the game. Have you caught up yet?

[N]

How is that relevant?

Because I wanted to know if you'd chosen to replace the vig deliberately. If you had, then you couldn't deny your massclaim was a waste of time.

Aegor, I am townreading Zekrom/Kalimar for the reasons I wrote in Post 710. What are your thoughts about it?

N, I think the most likely scum is you/Yiley but I'll give you a chance to convince me otherwise. I like playing with you and I am hoping I was wrong. I'd like to hear your thoughts on the game. Have you caught up yet?

You think Yiley is most likely scum? I thought he was obviously town. His play was almost exactly the same as in my Newbie game that you were in. He couldn't explain himself properly and when being suspected, flaked from the game.

[Aegor]

F-16,

That is fine with me. I am Vigging N tonight if he is not lynched today, so we should lynch whomever the town finds scummiest.

Because I wanted to know if you'd chosen to replace the vig deliberately. If you had, then you couldn't deny your massclaim was a waste of time.

Still not following, but I was not given a choice. And even if I had requested a particular replace, I would hope the mod would not honor such a request.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

You think Yiley is most likely scum? I thought he was obviously town. His play was almost exactly the same as in my Newbie game that you were in. He couldn't explain himself properly and when being suspected, flaked from the game.

Here's a scumgame of his (Shadow's Newbie 1451) and his play there wasn't that much different. I don't think the flaking is alignment indicative either.

Who do you think is scum then?

[N]

You think Yiley is most likely scum? I thought he was obviously town. His play was almost exactly the same as in my Newbie game that you were in. He couldn't explain himself properly and when being suspected, flaked from the game.

Here's a scumgame of his (Shadow's Newbie 1451) and his play there wasn't that much different. I don't think the flaking is alignment indicative either.

Who do you think is scum then?

I am actually leaning toward it being you, but I have not played with anyone else here (beside pa, and that was a year? ago). You are playing more like you did in my Newibe than my Mini Normal. I know you said you needed to fake all your analysis and confidence and stuff as scum to make it look like your town game, but you do so much more as scum than you actually do as town.

I'm not sure why Aegor is trusting you so much, though, so I am interested in that too.

[Aegor]

F-16 dies tomorrow at the latest.

[Aegor]

i.e. I would like to rearrange my order. I am worried about F-16 being scum and do not want him to make it to the endgame. I think I am not alone in this concern. I really think that Kalimar is the lynch for today.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Yeah, I fake analysis as scum. I have to because I post analysis as town. That still makes it null unless you can comment on the quality of the analysis which you haven't.

I am surprised you are not seeing why my play doesn't make sense as scum at all. D1, I pushed Iam as scum even when some people were townreading him. But okay, you can't rule out bussing. Then he claimed. Then I hopped off the wagon and pushed GM's lynch instead. That's something I'd never do as scum because it is so suboptimal and harms the scum. I'd probably continue pushing Iam for the towncred since he was doomed anyways, or settle for a POD lynch. What I wouldn't do is bus my other buddy (the one that had a chance of making it through). I probably wouldn't be that adamant about getting GM lynched either.

Pedit: I am much more sure it is N based on the way he entered the game. You'll probably vig me if I am wrong but I don't think it will come to that. I am banking on the game ending. I don't think that Kalimar is scum. All his predecessors felt town.

[Aegor]

So we can lynch N. I will then Vig you. Kali is therefore the lynch for tomorrow.

I feel the best about Maxous surviving until endgame. If everyone agrees, no one should have a problem with lynches of everyone else who is not confirmed.

[F-16_Fighting_Falcon]

Yeah, that sounds good to me. I can bank the game on Maxous.

[Maxous]

I'm okay with N being lynched. He's just throwing out a bunch of weak mostly context-less meta.

besides I can't think of who else the scum could be. I guess maybe beli but that's a big maybe.

[N]

Fuck that shit. I'm not dying the same day I replace into a game.

[N]

Yeah, I fake analysis as scum. I have to because I post analysis as town. That still makes it null unless you can comment on the quality of the analysis which you haven't.

but you do so much more as scum than you actually do as town.

???

[Belisarius]

Fuck that shit. I'm not dying the same day I replace into a game.

Yeah, you are.

VOTE: N

[Belisarius]

After some thought, my only problem with the F16/Aegor plan is that if Maxous is the last scum, we lose, because we'd wind up in a 3p lylo with {me, Maxous, one confTown}. I doubt I can win that fight. My lylo record as town is

abyssmal

.

I'm confident enough in townFalcon to volunteer to be the vig shot for tonight just to keep me out of lylo.

[Aegor]

I did not find Yiley town at all.

VOTE: N