Mini 1630: Edgar Allan Poe uPick GAME OVER!

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: lynx

I love a good wagon.

[Kthxbye]

Krystal, pls tell me you have some sort of post restriction and you aren't just being obtuse....

[Kthxbye]

VOTE: lynx

I love a good wagon.

*Gazes at Kthxbye while tilting head slightly*
*Points at Kthxbye, then at his head, then at LynxKuroneko, then gives a thumbs-down, all the while maintaining her quizzical gaze*

*Nudges Kthxbye*

Dude, not sure what you're trying to say here. If it's why I'm on the Lynx wagon, well, that's easy. It's the largest wagon and I love me some large wagons....but.....

Krystal, pls tell me you have some sort of post restriction and you aren't just being obtuse....

I don't like this post. Lynx, though scummy, looks like lynchbait and this is classic scum trying to shift the responsability for the vote onto the target rather than on himself.
VOTE: kthxbye

And kudos to whoever can tell us what our avatar has to do with the today's theme.

Pff, I don't even know.

-Tier

Wanna try again?

First of all, what about my post that you quoted is "classic scum trying to shift the responsibility for the vote onto the target"? I mean, this doesn't even make sense.

Second, explain to me how Lynx is scummy today? I actually haven't even seen anything scummy from him. So in your own words, how is Lynx looking scummy? After that, how do you say he's scummy then call him lynchbait? This doesn't compute.

I also didn't find it and Kristal likely has a post restriction involving facial expressions, eyes in particular.

Lynx does seem pretty scummy though, did you roll Jester m'boy?

Same question to you copper. How does Lynx seem pretty scummy?

A daystart pm would have been nice.
Egopost.

There was in fact a daystart pm...

Secondly, we have an ability to send a message to town after we die. I personally suspect that all townies have this ability and I just wanted to claim it first to get that sweet sweet towncred.

Nope, but the fact you post this specifically (and your overall posting in general), means you're a high town read as is post restriction'ed Krystal.

p.edit: Purloined, guess that answers the first question, but I'd like you to answer the second, but this time AFTER copper answers.

[Kthxbye]

@kthx: Well, seems like I was just in time with that post

I don't think krystal has a PR.

AND I DIDNT GET A DAYSTART PM OKAY

Kthx, are you saying that you have no reason other than wagon to be on lynx? Do you see any scummy players as of yet?
-Tier

-guess so
-I do
-correct and maybe...I has questions out there still

Now that I've answered your questions, wanna go back and answer mine?

Kthx, why is having a PR town? Even if it's real (it probably isn't), there is nothing preventing scum from having PRs.

-Ceph

Having a PR doesn't make one town. I also wouldn't call having a post restriction town. I haven't actually run into any post restriction'ed players that flip scum though, so maybe I'm biased. If it was a scum post restriction though, one could easily just lurk with it which isn't what I see from Krystal thus far. For the record, I believe Krystal actually has the restriction. Who the fuck would want to play a game posting like that for their own fun. Doesn't sound fun to me. I'm also betting that Krystal could prove it's real or not as most post restrictions I've seen have a penalty for not following the restriction like losing their vote or something. If it's important to people to know if it's real or not, D1 sounds like a good day to prove it and get it out of the way.

[Kthxbye]

oh yeah, my bad. carry on

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I like copper for town so far.

Eh, I don't see what you're seeing, but I'm not sure yet.

How helpful is ability self-watch really? :\ I see that I was doctored, and then I wonder who it was. Then again I could use it to beat false claims, but that requires I be alive for some time and establish town cred.I say this route is better.

No matter how good your post lynch ability is, it's almost certainly not as good as having a warm town body. Which incidentally, is obviously something you are. Lynx is obvtown in case anyone hadn't realized that. At this point, I would rather you still around and try to help us out.

I have yet to see how you are possibly negative utility in any way.

Boo: I have no idea what you're talking about.

-Ceph

^yup

UNVOTE:

VOTE: copper

[Kthxbye]

Lynx does seem pretty scummy though, did you roll Jester m'boy?

^this is why I'm voting copper. This is a hop onto the wagon that is serious with no good reasoning behind it.

He starts with: it's not OMGUS I promise (???), then an aTe about please stop voting me, then he hints PR with you will regret this and finally he avoids answering questions with random conments: I'm following the flow, he then went further with the PR hints.

He is either a very awkward scum player or something else is going on.

^His reasoning behind it when asked about his comment

It all seems forced and fake and after looking into copper, it's pretty easy to see where

VOTE: copper

comes from.

Also, he's avoiding me and my vote like the plague to avoid an OMGUS.

Oh and this:

I did a quick search of Ktx and did not find the same D1 wagon fondness in other games, direct meta someone?

is straight up false. A quick search should have revealed my hate/disinterest in D1's (and more often than not D2's) and my flippant voting on such days.

Unless it's a strong town read of mine, I give 2 shits who get's lynched today.

[Kthxbye]

Sorry, been busy with real life lately. Should have time for you all tonight or tomorrow night.

[Kthxbye]

Town: Lynx, PLynch, Boo, and Krystal

Scum: copper

Null: The rest of you

I'd literally lynch anyone not on my town list today. That's really all that needs to be said.

[Kthxbye]

To expound, I don't want to lynch Lynx because it's the most solid town read. On the other hand, Lynx will prolly be killed at night due to his posting about his being lynched ability being strong. If I was scum and Lynx isn't lynched today, I'd take him out just in case, even if he is over exaggerating/estimating his lynched ability. The town in me though really wants to keep a very solid town read alive. So yeah, it's pretty much in Lynx's hands at this point. I'll prolly just follow whatever he thinks is best in this situation seeing as he knows his powers and the rest of us can only guess at this point. He's painted a big bulls eye on his chest for scum to NK and if he thinks it's best for him to be lynched today, then we should trust it's best. There's no undo'ing the bulls eye at this point.

[Kthxbye]

*Gives a thumbs-down.*
*Points at Kthxbye.*

It hurts Krystal....it hurts bad. I'd ask you to expound, but....

How bout you take the top 3 posts you think are scummy and wiggle around till you get across why they are scummy. I'll play the guessing game with you till we figure it out.

[Kthxbye]

In case you're wondering why I give a rats what you think, you are a town read of mine and if my town reads can all town read one another, we have a better shot at winning cuz I'm pretty damn confident in my town reads.

[Kthxbye]

Let's just get this out of the way before we waste any time on trying to figure kthx out, shall we.

I'm The Conqueror Worm. I am of the Morbid (as if I'd claim anything else). I enable full card flips. Upon my death, only character's and their alignment will be flipped. Not much better than VT and if ya'll think keeping town PR's from scum is worth it, lynch me.

Just know, copper is scum and you'll all feel silly the longer you wait to lynch him.

P.edit: hey TS, did you miss the part where I give less than no shits on D1...like ever?

[Kthxbye]

copper wants to lynch full flips. Hmmm, who'd wanna do that? Oh yeah, scum.

[Kthxbye]

I'd like bookitty, copper, ghato, brantz, krystal, ftl and maybe tiershift to vote for me. If anyone here has a heavy scumread on any of those players, state so

I have a heavy scum read on copper. It prolly won't go away either.

[Kthxbye]

Let's see who all copper has 'pinged scum' on for 17 pages of D1 shall we?

Lynx

Unfortunately your correction is as bad as the initial post, as I am not advocating a lynx lynch for now and definitely not blaming his wagon as those on it have a good reason to be.

^that's WHILE voting lynx on top of calling lynx scummy. Doesn't compute. It's basically trying to hold onto lynx scum while leaving the backdoor open to back out of calling lynx scummy.

CoA
Catastrophe
Purloined (kinda)
Kthxbye
- Now, since I'm me and I know my role, I find it very scummy that copper votes me for being scum, followed shortly by

I think the claim from Kthxbye is genuine and Lynx should consider adding him to his wagon, will censor the rest

and here's the scummy part where he forgets the above and says

BRantz I don't like, Policy Lynch is a good substitute, I'd go with Kthxbye over FTL.

yeah, copper is scum.

[Kthxbye]

Also, I think your claim is genuine because it's the kind of play to be expected from a VI.

Oh man, hurt my feelers with this one....

No wait, it's you calling me town and then completely trying to make sure nobody reads my posts by discrediting me....something I've seen many-a-scum do. Continue.

[Kthxbye]

How bout this, what's your read on TierShift?

[Kthxbye]

Yes, I did misread copper's post. Still not warm and fuzzy on him, but the push from Cata and BRantz onto me with the attempt to discredit my PR is just more scummy.

UNVOTE: copper

for now....

[Kthxbye]

I should be on the wagon.

[Kthxbye]

BRantz should definitely NOT be on Lynx. Cata is in the same boat for me.

I'm still not even sure that Lynx should be lynched in the first place. But if that's the direction we want to go, I don't like either of them being on the wagon if we are trying to get only town on the wagon and break the game.

Likely scenario, at least 1 if not 2 scum have completely blinded y'all and are already on the Lynx wagon in which case lynching him today doesn't do as much as anyone is hoping. My 2 cents.

All that said, I almost just hammered in this post to be a dick.

You're welcome.

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Good unvote copper. I didn't know how long I could hold out.

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We've got a day left, right? Everyone suggest 7 (SEVEN) players to be on my wagon, starting with most town-read. Doesn't have to be a paragraph explanation for each. Simple summation will do. This doesn't apply to Krystal obviously, because they aren't interested in playing much. I'll make a final decision from there. Over. Yay, forcing players to provide input and put themselves out there for the good of mankind! (Or for this town at least.)

Me
Policy Lynch
Krystal
Boo
Copper
TS
CoA


Maaaaybe Ghatokaca in place of CoA, but.....I don't have super warm fuzzies for either, I'm just a Nacho fan.

Everyone under me is pretty much gut at this point. I need flips before I'm really all that good at reads.

[Kthxbye]

Lynx
Copper
Policy Lynch
Bookitty
Catastrophe
Ghatokaca
Kthxbye

VOTE: Lynx

Though I don't like Cata being on there, it's your call.

[Kthxbye]

My ability has not changed.

Cata, you are dense if you think I'm scum after the card flips. The evedence is there that my PR is exactly as I state it. The only way you think I'm scum still is if you think scum have my PR which makes zero sense.

At any rate, we have a probable 2 scum in a group of 6 and 1 scum in a group of 5. That's exactly a 1/3 chance at hitting scum if we focus on those not on the wagon vs a 1/5 chance if we hunt for the 1.

Scum will more that likely target the town on the Lynx wagon D1 so us doing the same during the day phase is explicitly retarded beyond belief.

Nobody on the Lynx wagon is even up for consideration for today's lynch. This does not mean we avoid the subject as it will come in handy to make connections later, but Lynx's wagon is unlynchable for awhile.

My personal opinion, and this isn't OMGUS, is that it's Cata or BRantz....like I expressed yesterday.

For those OFF the wagon and who are lynchable, I say

VOTE: BRantz

p.edit: Barring a guilty claim from FTL

[Kthxbye]

I'm more or less just annoyed at this point that a role PM states the word "exactly" and yet the flip does not match the pure definition of "exactly".

It's a role PM made by the MOD that isn't being treated as it's written.

Basically, if there is no clarification to why there isn't an "exact" number of non-Morbid players on the Lynx wagon LIKE HIS FREAKING ROLE PM BLATANTLY AND EXPLICITLY STATES, then Lynx died for no reason at all and we are back to squire one but down 2 Morbid. I feel bad for Lynx most of all since he used his ability as written in the correct play and yet we are left with no actual information from it.

It's not cool and I'm gonna have to get over this before I can rationalize why the number of non-Morbid players on the Lynx wagon isn't "exact" and continue to try and find scum.

[Kthxbye]

- I can say there is nothing in my role PM which would suggest it, so it's not me.

^ditto

[Kthxbye]

First of all, Sundays through Wednesdays are my busy times where I can't post much.

That out of the way, today and the talk about what the flip results mean have me putting boo, copper, and surprisingly cata in the town category. Boo is my strongest town read due to her thoughts mirroring my so closely.

BRantz is probs my number one scum. His posting just reads fake to me. It's largely gut, but when I get time, I'll delve in more to try and explain the reads in this post more in depth.

discuss a BRantz lynch pls

[Kthxbye]

holy shit, you guys are actually buying that.

ok, here's the deal folks, give me till Thursday so I can point out why everyone voting me is a dumbass

[Kthxbye]

Alright, I got a break and for some reason I'm wasting it with you all.

Things you MUST believe in order to believe Kyrstal's claimed role and result:
1. The MOD doesn't give a shit about her own game and the roles she made and gave out.

I asked fferylt, and I'm going to permanently lose my vote for violating my post restriction so egregiously, but I'm frankly kinda sick of it. It was fun at first but got frustrating quickly. I'll only be able to make one post like this; ffery said that a second intentional violation of my restriction would be a modkillable offense. So I'll try to make this post as long as possible.

This is bullshit. If you believe this, you need to play more games as MOD's aren't going to do this. Period.
2. The MOD made scum really really weak. I don't think anyone can argue that my death and the absence of card flips after the fact is pro-scum.
Wiki: "Enablers are usually, but not always, Town."
3. You must believe that the card flips are not important enough for town to have and are better for scum to have. This already has been proven NOT to be the case with Lynx's flip. Let's say I was lynched or killed D1/N1. Lynx get's lynched for the info D2 or later. Town doesn't get his card flip. Town is now taking only what he says about his role, which isn't quoted by him, and uses that to try and get info. If you're town, look at your own roles. You must believe that town seeing it after you get lynched or killed is actually less informative for town than it would be for scum if you believe the MOD gave my PR to the scum team.
4.

Although at some point we have to talk about the likelihood of town having a sensor, a rolecop and a third even-night investigative role.

FFS this....so much this. Let's not make it "at some point" and make it right fucking now.
5. And finally (and probably the biggest thing that stood out to me while thinking about this), is that if you believe Krystal is town and her claim, you must believe that the MOD gave Krystal at no talking post restriction ALONG WITH an investigative PR. Tell me, all you believers, how is a role cop to get across a guilty on scum when they can't talk? Either Krystal doesn't have the post restriction or she doesn't have the PR she's claiming. I don't see how you can believe a world in which the MOD did this.

Krystal is lying and scum and wants Kthx lynch because Kthx is a power role Krystal can't keep around.

This is correct.

No matter what, I think the Kthx lynch is the best option.

This makes absolutely ZERO sense and I don't understand how you can actually think this right after you post the above as a possibility. Since scum Krystal is lying and going kamikaze to get me lynched b/c scum are worried about having their role cards flipped, why in the flying fuck would I still be the best option?!!

Well, I can find nothing in kthx's claim that suggests a strongman, rather a line that denies having other abilities.
I can also not think of a reason for town to have a strongman.

This is 100% factual. I am NOT a strongman of any sort. I am Morbid.

I trust her.

You really shouldn't.

Krystal's post restriction doesn't really fit Madeline Usher.

That's because now that I know she's scum and going kamakazi, she prolly doesn't even have the post restriction as discussed above.

Scum

Town is screwed imo.

FTFY

Alright, I'm done quoting you all.

Things to consider if you follow through with my lynch because you don't understand common sense:

-copper is 100% town. The fact that he's spending time trying to make connections to me under the assumption that I'm scum would be a complete waste of time if he knew I was flipping town. Never lynch this
-boo is still town. As I talked about earlier, her posts surrounding the Lynx flip are spot on with mine and that just means she's got a town mindset since I'm town. Never lynch this.
-Cask is prob town. Bringing up that Krystal's claimed restriction doesn't really fit isn't something Krystal's scum partner would do.
-Cata is prob town. p968 isn't something I'd see Kyrstal's scum partner post. Considering keeping me around is directly opposed to Krystal's kamakaze to get me lynched.

If nothing else, that's a block of 4 townies you can count on to be town once I flip.

VOTE: Krystal

[Kthxbye]

So, here are the 3 plays for today.

Lynch me today and lynch Krystal tomorrow.

Lynch Krystal today.

Band together and force Kystal to post words again to see if she get's Modkilled and if she does, then lynch the shit outa me.

Those are the 3 options.

MOD: If you have to modkill for any reason, does the day end or continue?

[Kthxbye]

No, my defense is more than that. Read the post. Her claim makes no sense. Post restriction of silence with role cop. Never in a million years would this get approved.

Also, does nobody find it really convenient that she used the ability on a pre-existing claim? Let's look at these reasons:

a) I was suspicious of him for his play.
b) I was suspicious of him for the timing of his claim. He claimed for no real reason yesterday, and I thought that if he was town he would have played his cards closer to his chest with that role.
c) I was suspicious of the claim itself. The way our role PMs are formatted, is we have a While Alive Ability, and then under that is a separate While Dead ability. The role that kthxbye claimed makes no sense in that format, since it'd be redundant. In addition, he claimed a While Dead ability that benefits scum, whereas every town role we've seen so far has benefited town.

a) Where was it shown with her mimicking?
b) Same as a). Also, I explained why I claimed when I did. I did it to keep everyone on track and avoid the alternate road the conversation was taking. I got it out of the way.
c) The biggest load of horse shit ever. First of all, my role PM doesn't have a "While Dead" ability, only the "While Alive". Look to your own PR's. If everyone else has both, then fine, lynch away. The reasoning for c) is still a complete fabrication as what I wrote was this: "I'm The Conqueror Worm. I am of the Morbid (as if I'd claim anything else). I enable full card flips. Upon my death, only character's and their alignment will be flipped." This is as close to quoting a role PM as it gets. This line is under the "While alive" portion and I have no "While Dead" like Lynx has.

Violating post restrictions can have nasty results depending on the moderator and your role. These punishments range from losing your Night action to getting "warned" to getting modkilled. If warnings are used, it is not advised for them to be given publicly, as that confirms that the player has a post restriction.

Cool, Krystal has the post restriction. Guess what, she's not a rolecop. She's scum. You'll all soon find out. Lynch away and take note of my town reads and the why.

[Kthxbye]

Alright, fine, you all are confirmation bias'ed at this point and aren't going to even try and see anything but scum-kthxbye. Fine. Let's go this route then.

Most importantly, a role claim: I am Madeline Usher, and my "alive" ability is a one-shot rolecop, essentially. I get to see the living and dead abilities a player possesses. Last night I inspected kthxbye and found that he was a one-shot strongman (and that he was telling the truth about his Death ability). I'm not going to claim my Death ability, both because it's better left unclaimed and because it doesn't have any effect until lylo anyway.

First off, as you all have pointed out, Krystal lost her vote due to violating the post restriction. She has no voice and now no vote.
Secondly, nobody (not even the fake claimed role cop) denies my PR.
Thirdly, at a minimum, my enable gives both scum and town equal benefits. It's more beneficial to town, but that's my opinion.
Finally, Kyrstal will by lynched tomorrow if you choose to lynch me today. I swear by the MS gods that I'm going to flip exactly what I say.

I propose this:

Y'all keep me alive today like has been suggested/tossed around and lynch Kyrstal today. I know she's scum but you don't so I'm going to speak to this from your point of view.

At the very worst, you lynch a town that is mute and voteless and lynch the shit out of me tomorrow.

What really happens is you lynch scum today and the remaining scum have to figure out what to do with me since I'd be confirmed town.

What will really happen far outweighs the very worst. Lynch Krystal. It's logical.

[Kthxbye]

Actually, the worst case is that Krystal flips town because scum somehow messed with her or me last night and got lucky that she did what she did, though I don't see how this is possible outside of a modified framer to fit this game. Town her wouldn't come back with both the truth with a strongman result. I just want to be as transparent as possible and thought it might be a far fetched possibility where we lose two town due to some crazy scum PR that would be OP as fuck.

^I don't see this as even remotely probable, but it's MS and you never know.

[Kthxbye]

^The worst worst case scenario above would happen no matter who is lynched today so it shouldn't even factor into the equation and my proposition.

[Kthxbye]

And my break is over. I'm going to devote any further time I may have during my busy time to my other game. See you all Thursday.

At least TRY and think about this logically and without confirmation bias.

[Kthxbye]

Hey boo, I like you and I think you're town, but learn to fucking read.

I know she's scum but you don't so I'm going to speak to this

from your point of view

.

[Kthxbye]

you forget the part where Krystal doesnt like her post restriction and doesn't care to play this game because of it.

It's my fault for claiming too early and giving scum an easy one for one fake claim.

[Kthxbye]

look. lynching Krystal today has zero downside. lynching me does. its a no brainer but do what y'all want.

[Kthxbye]

Good Job Krystal and a well played kamikaze. I don't know how you did it to be honest. You have one post with words and used it to full scum advantage. You can pat my head all you want. It's a little aggravating, but you just played it really well. Enjoy watching me die and I'll see you in the dead QT after D3.

To the town:

You are simply gullible as you will soon see. There is no strongman and if there is, it isn't me. You can't see through your own fear at how Krystal is getting exactly what she wants, but like I said above, she played it so well I guess I can't blame you. You'll see soon enough. As for reads, I don't see how Lynx wagon has more than 1 scum due to the kamikaze Krystal is pulling. This game should look something like this:

Bookitty

Ghatokaca

copper223
Catastrophe


CaskOfAmontillado
BRantz
TierShift

Krystal Bald

Medea the Alien

or

Faster Than Light

After the game, I'd like some ideas on how I could have more clearly spelled out how Krystal is fake claiming. I just don't understand how at least SOME of the remaining town don't see it enough to take the chance that I'm telling the truth.

Tonight expect probably copper to die.

See you all in end game and I hope not having card flips isn't too big of a detriment. Peace out.

VOTE: kthxbye

[Kthxbye]

I have to think about this because if you pulled the fake hammer as scum I want to shake your hand.

It obviously wasn't a hammer. There's a vote count on this page.

^^this

Though, copper, I'd love to be scum right now in order to take your compliment.

Why on earth would Krystal scum ever choose the last one to kamikaze?

Because it was fabricated last night. Also because getting such a 'minor' PR such as enabler is waaaay more simple (obviously) than getting a stronger claimed town PR lynched. Really Boo, you aren't even attempting to open up that closed mind. Not even a little. You are confirmation bias'ed and if you're town, you can apologize tomorrow, in dead QT, or at the end of the game.

My instincts are screaming that he is genuine

You should trust your instincts more. Talk to you more in dead QT.

[Kthxbye]

I'll be honest y'all, I don't like how insistent Boo is being that I am today's lynch and is clogging the thread to prevent anyone from taking a step back and actually thinking about it.

If I'm still today's lynch at the end of the day, take ^this thought into account after lynching the shit outa Krystal.

[Kthxbye]

Inclined to believe KB over kthnx

H-O-L-Y S-H-I-T! NO FREAKING WAY?! REALLY???

/end sarcasm

[Kthxbye]

then my whole case on Cat is worthless and should be thrown out.

ding ding ding

[Kthxbye]

Here's the last thing I'm going to say about today.

I'm not gonna just roll over and die and thus I should UNVOTE:

Going to assume a 10 player town with a 3 player scum for simplicity and because there's no real reason to assume 3rd party other than weird wording.

Scenario 1:

You lynch me today. I flip town. We lose card flips. Scum hit *town* (prolly copper imo) tonight. Tomorrow it's 6v3. You lynch Kyrstal. Kyrstal flips scum. Scum hit *town* at night. D4 starts with 5v2.

Scenario 2:

We lynch Krystal today. She flips scum. Scum hit *town* (prolly me b/c of I'd be confirmed town barring some crazy scum gambit krystal and I are trying to pull). Tomorrow it's 7v2. I'm confirmed town or dead.

Additional scenarios from y'all POV.

*Scenario 3:

We lynch Krystal today. She flips town. We lose nothing (PR wise). Scum hit *town* (If I'm strongman, I apparently take out CoA). Tomorrow it'd be 6v3. You lynch me. I'd flip scum. We lose card flips. Scum hit *town* at night. D4 starts with 5v2.

*Scenario 4:

You lynch me today. I flip scum. We lose card flips. Scum hit *town* (If I'm scum and scum lose Strongman, copper dies here). Tomorrow it'd be 7v2. Kyrstal is confirmed town with no PR and in a game she's not enjoying and can barely communicate in.

Scenario 5:

(.000001% chance)
We lynch either today and the other tomorrow and both of us flip town. Town is fucked and this game is stupid.

Now, look at all the scenarios. Scenario 1 and 2 are the only real possibilities, but I've said that already and you don't believe me so I simply want you to look at this from a pure mathematical equation.
Both S1 (my lynch) and S3 (a town-Krystal lynch) result in EXACTLY THE SAME result for D4....5v2.
Both S2 (Krystal is scum) and S4 (I'm scum) result in similar results but not the same. Both leave a confirmed town and a D3 start of 7v2, but S2 leaves us card flips and S4 leaves you with no PR at all.

Now tell me, what exactly is the benefit of lynching me before Krystal even if you only feel a <10% chance that I'm telling the truth?

I am town and if I were in your shoes, I wouldn't even remotely be worried about losing CoA if my choices were between CoA and copper. Strongman shouldn't even really be considered, but that's just my opinion.

p.edit: @copper, because Boo is being overly loud and pushy about my lynch being first and from where I sit, it's more than just town concern. From where I sit, it appears like she (unlike what you did) is trying to stop any discussion about lynching Krystal first before it even get's a chance to start. Pretend you 100% believe I'm town and you are in my shoes and then read the last pages worth of posts. You'd see what I'm talking about. I just want the thought out there in the event that I am still today's lynch so you have it after I flip town. I don't know if there's even anything to it, but if Boo is around in an end game situation...at least I'd have some input, right or wrong.

@Boo, cuz I'm super annoyed with you right now. How's bout you stfu for a few days and let people actually discuss the possibilities without you repeating the same shit over and over?

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I really feel like you haven't even read my posts, Kthxbye.

If the general consensus is that I should STFU, though, I'll ask for replacement. I'm not interested in ruining the game for others.

Oh FFS. I didn't write that to hurt your feelings or have you replace. I simply want to win. Maybe I took it too far and for that I apologize.

As for your posts, well, I can honestly see them both ways. I can see scum trying to make the kamikaze worth while. I can however, believe it or not, see town in them in as far as you giving what I'm saying at least some consideration and in a town mindset, you don't know the answer. I see both. I'm just on a crusade to not let scum get their way in this and you constantly battling me is/was aggravating as all get out. If I step back though, I'm probably just as aggravating to you so....yeah....sorry. I actually like you and would never complain about playing in a MS game with you.

Please accept (which doesn't mean don't lynch me but outside of the game I'm sorry for being too harsh).

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Now, let's lynch Krystal.

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There is no universe in which kthx is not the lynch today

Yes there is. I even spelled it out mathematically in 1120

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If you're town, don't waste your time under the assumption I'll flip scum. If you're all going to lynch me today no matter what, at least do your research under the assumption I'll flip town. At the very least, make connections under both assumptions so as to not be pissed at me or yourself when I flip town and you spent any amount of time under the incorrect assumption.

I'll say it again, read my scenarios post and I'd like (for town's sake to go back after this mess is done) for everyone, AND I MEAN EVERYONE, to give their reasons why my math isn't worth the risk. If not to change your mind, then at least to give town the ability to go back and read who's fake and who's real in regards to why I'm too often posted as being 'the most reasonable/sensible/correct lynch today'.

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zzzzz. see u in dead qt

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VOTE: kthxbye

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Already gave them.

You'll lynch Krystal tomorrow and I gave my reads on who's scum after that.

I do like the Ghato case. He was my pick for scum on the Lynx wagon.

Then it's between FTL and Alien.

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lol, too late bro

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Kthxbye (4): Faster Than Light, TierShift, Bookitty, copper, me

......

copper, I hate you.

[Kthxbye]

Kthxbye (5): Faster Than Light, TierShift, Bookitty, copper, me

......

copper, I hate you.

[Kthxbye]

Like...I REALLY hate you.

REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY HATE YOU.

I accepted my fate and the freedom of death and you tricked me like a jerkhole.

I refuse to post the rest of this day.

VOTE: Krystal

That's all you need from me.

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copper, get your ass back here so I can yell at you.

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Well, you indeed got me. With the game lock and everyone and their mom saying I'm today's lynch, I didn't even check.

Then you unvote.

Then I want to strangle you with my bare hands.

I'm ok now though. I expect a Krystal lynch by the end of this page.

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Speaking of Krystal, she played the Strongman card really hard with the AtF of me killing Cask with it so I'm pretty sold on Cask being town as well. Game should look more like this:

Bookitty

Ghatokaca

copper223

Catastrophe

kthxbye

CaskOfAmontillado

BRantz
TierShift

Krystal Bald

Medea the Alien

or

Faster Than Light

I dunno about those off the wagon though. BRantz has been super duper quiet during this whole ordeal with me and Krystal and TS has been semi-quiet. TS looks town from his posts though and BRantz has his PR claim to fall back on.

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I'm also wondering what was up with the Boo force replace....don't wanna read into it at this point though.

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...wow

know what? fuck you idiots. hope scum wins.

VOTE: kthxbye

hammer the fuck away you morons

you act like this is lylo and you all are fucking dumber than rocks.

eat shit and lose.

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I like kthx and his reactions seem genuine but we should probably just lynch him...

^dumbest shit ever said. prolly not scum though as it would be way "townier" to go along with town copper.

don't even know why I'm still trying to help you morons though.

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hey, one of you five not voting me, fucking hurry up.

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sorry, six. one of you six.

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out of the 2 unknown reds I have listed, go with ftl first.

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NOW I'm done with you fools

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Fuck me, I'm going to waste more time on you morons.

When you look back after I've flipped town, take a look at how your 'scum catching' PR is super quiet and hasn't posted shit after her fake claim and then hand waiving. Also, look back and see how smug she is here

*Smiles. Pats Kthxbye on the head.*

. Then look back again at how Ghatocaka has literally said NOTHING about the going's on and is resting on lurking and claiming to have neighborized Lynx yet has done nothing with it.

Then, after you die and come to the dead QT with me, I'm going to repeatedly tell you how bad you are at this game.

GO SCUM! This is my scum claim. I am scum strongman enabler...uh I mean, I'm a strongman while alive and my dead ability is that I take away card flips . You got me! I'm not going to tell you who my partners are though, cuz that would be mean and unfair to them. Good job Krystal. You used your one shot Rolecop ability very well (pfft ...lol ...clears thought ). You got me good you townie town you. Scum will still win this game cuz I've confused you all with my explicit town and scum reads and complete faked openness and transparency. This town isn't actually dumb, it's super smart and takes everything into account. You all caught me that I was using AtE and completely faking this whole time. Too good for me guys.

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Oh, and to prove I'm scum, I'm going to make TWO of you super duper townies vote me to lynch me.

UNVOTE:

Eat it.

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oh, it's a meltdown alright. a scum meltdown...cuz those are so common....idiot

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Reck! OMFG! There may be hope yet.

Reck. You need read nothing but today's events. Read my ISO and Krystal's ISO (which will be super fast).

Things you need to know:
I have no "on death" ability. I am an enabler that allows full card flips.
Krystal is a mute who has claimed a one shot rolecop and claimed that she investigated me last night and claims her result was that I have a Strongman ability as my "while alive" ability and that I have an "on death" ability that stops full card flips.

The ISO's should tell you everything. I'm pretty vocal about peoples bullshit throughout the day.

If you come to the conclusion that lynching me today is the best move after that, well, I'll be a little surprised, but I know you're a solid player so I have hope. If you're taking over a scum slot...well, now's your chance at some major town cred.

Enjoy.

[Kthxbye]

1-shot strongman while alive

Where did the 1-shot come from?

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d/r copper, found it.

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real fakehammer reactions, as opposed to this amateur-hour bullshit.

Hey cask....ever consider that my fakehammer reactions weren't fucking fake at all but coming from town and that I'm being completely honest? Guess that'd make them less amateur-hour wouldn't it?

Gawd, seriously, what's wrong with you people?

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Oh FFS Kthx it's a matter of semantics.

Semantics in THIS case DO matter.

We have 2 card flips that both have "while alive" and "while dead" abilities. I do NOT have that in my role PM. I only have "while alive"

It matters because I'm either an enabler as I have claimed (a "while alive") ability or I am a 1 shot strong man "while alive" with a "while dead" ability to prevent card flips the rest of the game.

One makes sense, one is some made up bullshit from scum.

Semantics matter here.

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dont you think that if i was scum thatd id try and make my faked pm look as close to the flipped towns as much as possible? use your brain

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try reading again. i only spell out that i dont have an after death ability till AFTER Krystal fake claims

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but whatever. you just keep going with that confirmation bias instead of an actual thought process

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I almost want to lynch you before kthnxbye.

If anyone is lynched before me it's Krystal....who is still MIA by the way.

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Hey, Krystal, you little fake claiming son-of-a-gun you. Why don't you come back and wiggle around a little bit and give us a reads list?

[Kthxbye]

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*Waves. Holds up a finger.*

Did they just miss this was not a hammer?????

Been trying to tell you bro....been trying to tell you.

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she also missed that she's being replaced...I wouldn't waste my time if I were MOD but w/e

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nope. screw you guys.

VOTE: kthxbye

Enjoy being so damn wrong

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sigh...gotta quit trying to hammer from phone

UNVOTE:

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hey Reck, don't catch up, just take my word for it that Krystal is scum fake claiming and vote her. We have history man. And we've lol'd. I wouldn't lie to you bro (at least not this time)

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Ima laugh so hard at you and your reads list once I'm gone...

I only hope you're actually vigged tonight so I can do it to your face in dead QT.

Why aren't you voting me?

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I'm sitting here at L-2

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shuddap copper. You're lynching town when your gut is telling you not to. Both are equally bad plays.

why aren't you back to voting me?

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There ain't shit left to say today. You all are making stupid ass lists from stupid ass assumptions that scum are sitting back and laughing at you for. I'm laughing at this point too. Scum deserve this win and I don't see how such a blind town could possibly win anyway. At least this way, I don't have to be a part of it.

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there's nothing left to say for me. I'm just going to tell you all how dumb you are till you lynch me

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lmao at part of the hydra fake claiming wants time and you think that means they are town...

lmfao...fucking idiots.

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/SIGH....

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Fun game. Honestly surprised we won.