Mini 1679: Baccano! Mafia - Game Over

[Big The Cat]

Hello Everyone!

Let's Play Mafia!

[Big The Cat]

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ThaStatusQuo is town.

CoolDoG is town.

Mainez is town.

Mikazuki is town.

JohnnyFarrar merits more attention.

ToastyToast is scummy.

[Big The Cat]

Hey! It's Big The Cat!
I kinda don't know what do.

Are You Town?

[Big The Cat]

I have fully caught up!

Aristophanes is town.

Jazzmyn is town.

Kalimar is scummy.



West9 is scummy.

[Big The Cat]

Beer merits more attention

Varsoon... he's a tough one!


Let me ask him what his alignment is~


~Big

[Big The Cat]

Hmm, CoolDoG got lynched... I don't like the sound of that!

Vote Count 1.08

CooLDoG

[Lynched]

- Mainez, JohnnyFarrar, Mikazuki, West9, notquitethere, Beer, Kalimar

I'm looking at West9, Beer, and Kalimar right now. They seem SUS-peee-cious!

VOTE: Kalimar

~Big.

[Big The Cat]

Hello, all.

I haven't been here for about five years so I may be a little rusty, but I am delighted to be back.

I have started reading the game thread and I will start making my game notes asap. In the interim, if my predecessor had a vote outstanding,

Unvote

Regards,
Jazz

Hi Jazz~

You seem like a sweetie!

May I ask that if it is just a coincidence that your avatar is the same as GreyICE's... but more Grey?

~Big

[Big The Cat]

O-Kay!

I Believe You!

Varsoon Is Town!~

~Big

[Big The Cat]

How About Kalimar?

Kalimar Looks Like A Good Choice!

Mm-mm~

[Big The Cat]

Cooooould be just his avatar now that I think about it! Mm-mm~

Gives an impression of slimy... and scummy! Mm-mm~

That's great of you to join me! Get a wagon going! Gain information, y'know! mm-mm~

~Big

[Big The Cat]

yooooooooooooooo

I LOVE flippant approaches. I also LOVE my plans for today so see you in a little while C:

@Big if you tell me something super convincing about Toast between now and next time I look at this you'll get a nice loud sheep.

D'Oh! I'm not too convinced about Toast myself, at this moment!

I Do Think That Kalimar Is SUS-Peeee-cious!

Sheepie?

~Big

[Big The Cat]

Many of Kalimar's Actions are Easy Things For Scum To Do!


Sheeping Largest Wagon, for example.

Asking Pointless Questions, is another one.

Making Vague Theory Statements, is yet another Easy Thing For Scum To Do!

D'Oh!

Sheepie?

its 1 am

[Big The Cat]

You aren't doing those things.

[Big The Cat]

Reason stated for me joining the last wagon (and this one for that matter) is sheeping, and I'm pretty sure the reason CD shot me was me saying pointless things

There's more to it than that. You're not as scummy as him, period.

Plus, you have the benefit of me looking at you and knowing you in Twin Trap. I don't know Kalimar, and I'm judging him entirely with my generic rules.

[Big The Cat]

I did it. I figured out who Big was.

Not completely.........

Anyway, the way I see it:

Vote Count 1.08

CooLDoG

[Lynched]

- Mainez, JohnnyFarrar,

Mikazuki

, West9, notquitethere,

Beer

, Kalimar

Johnny was vengeful'd and still alive (immortal)

Scum isn't Mainez because Big has meta. So that wagon is obviously down to West9, NQH, Kalimar. It definitely wasn't an all town wagon. Our vote is in a good spot.

(Froggy - the other head)

[Big The Cat]

Surprise!

Ho Ho Ho!

~Big

[Big The Cat]

[Big The Cat]

The Only One Guilty Of The Above Action is Kalimar!~

And there's a good chance he's Scum!~~


~Big

[Big The Cat]

What do you want me to answer to?

Oh!~ There's talking Bread~

Hi Bread!

What do yooo thinkies about NotQuiteThere?

Where's that guy anyway? D'Oh!


Oh, uh, can uh, can you give a long answer? I like longbreads!~ Can eat more of them! Yum~

~Big

[Big The Cat]

Alright so, idk if any of you have ever seen my scum theory thingy, but I generally see scum as fitting one of 3 categories. More likely than not, there is one of each.

I disagree with this.

It's also like saying, more likely than not one scum is on the D1 mislynch wagon, and one scum is off. Or things of that nature. It's just a shitty way to scumhunt in my opinion, because you limit your options of who scum could be by assuming they are 1 of each in three pools.

Anyway, reads list in order from scum to town, which may or may not differ from my hydra partner a bit because we're halfway around the world from each other, but we've chatted some.

Scum:

Kalimar
NQT
Hydrangea/West9 slot

Toast
Johnny F
Aristophanes

Mainez
TSQ/Jazzmyn slot
Domino/Varsoon slot

Town:

[Big The Cat]

^^Froggy

[Big The Cat]

Well I've already explained my town read on him in D1, but I'll check to see if there is any new content on him. NQT more than anyone tried to address more than just a couple of people, showing to me that he wasn't leaving any stones unturned. I especially liked his push on Domino (granted, him following up with "im in the middle on him" was mehh). We haven't seen much of him Day 2.

D'aww. Talking Bread talked to us about NotQuiteThere~ Yaysies~


But uh, uh, I want Long Bread. Long Bread, ya'know, so I can have more Bread to eat, yum~


This Bread is really short... it can't fill me tummy

D'Oh!

[Big The Cat]

~Big

[Big The Cat]

You were on the wagon. We have not decided you are town.

(Froggy)

[Big The Cat]

D'Oh! The Talking Bread ain't answering me!

*poke* *poke*

Hey Bread! Why are you ignoring me Bread?

~Big

[Big The Cat]

D'Oh! I think not!

~Big

[Big The Cat]

Hey! I have a Fun Idea!

Let's get both Alien Man and Invisible Man to claim, teehee~


That should be Very Exciting!

If they are naughty, we spanky~~

~Big

[Big The Cat]

Vote Count 2.3

Kalimar

[2] - Big The Cat, Varsoon

notquitethere

[2] - West9, Kalimar

Big The Cat

[1] - notquitethere

No Vote

[5] - Aristophanes, Jazzmin, JohnnyFarrar, Mainez, ToastyToast

Day Two will end on June 28, 2015 or in (expired on 2015-06-28 22:00:00)

How many to lynch, sir?

[Big The Cat]

D'Oh! Are Dirty Scum going to deflect onto me now that both of their members are getting strung up?

I KNEW there was Something Fishy about the setup~

~Big

[Big The Cat]

Hey! I have a Fun Idea!

Let's get both Alien Man and Invisible Man to claim, teehee~


That should be Very Exciting!

If they are naughty, we spanky~~

~Big

I don't even understand what this means. Big, I have re-read your posts in ISO again and the lack of actual content is making me more and more suspicious of you. Do you have any intention of participating in a meaningful fashion rather than just tossing out reads and votes without reasons, explanations, or analysis? While I prefer your style of play over your predecessor BROseidon's, being amusing is cute for a little while but it's wearing awfully thin, and it is not nearly enough if you're town.

Regards,
Jazz

O-Kay! Just for you my Sweet Princess~ ^_^

Alien Man and Invisible Man are my top suspects, yup!~

Alien Man has been extremely SUS-Pee-Cious with his votes a-yup! As well as his Really Long ISO being pretty irrelevant and useless yup!

Especially This Post! Very Agreeable Post yup~

i tried to read cooldog's posts but my eyes completely glazed over and you should probably just hit me with some good reasoning if you want me to vote there.

"My eyes completely glazed over" and "hit me with some good reasoning if you want me to vote there" Yup.

Doesn't read posts of CoolDog and is not interesting in finding Scum. Instead would just "vote there" whenever he feels like it, or when wagon builds up.

Sounds like the Scummy Scum I dig up from Froggy's Pond.

oddly, i'd actually think the odds are higher of two scum off the wagon in this instance, purely because this wagon was so ubiquitously endorsed that it'd be almost toxic to be on. that's if there are 3 scum. if it's 2, then one on, one off, with SK positioning being an enigma. from experience i'd say it's slightly higher SK would be in the non-voting cohort {jazz, varsoon, aris} in that instance. wouldn't bank anything on it, though, and can't currently tell which scenario we're in.

and whoever asked for my reads, they haven't changed.

mostly everyone else is in a morass. i mean, i'd like to guess, but i actually just don't have reads on most players in this game. west9 + one in {toast/bro-slot} and one in {jazz/var/aris} is about as good a guess as i can make right now.

This is as useful as my broken tractor yup. "No reads on most players" yup. 6/9 of the players could be scum yup. Except the Invisible Man, interestingly.

23 posts later he does this yup:

vote: notquitethere

No "explanation, analysis, reasoning".


Alien Man is Evil.


Also look at this:

the other head of big the cat's reads list aligns almost perfectly (with maybe a little wiggle room on the degree of strength) with the no-reason reads sonic posted earlier.

too consistent.

Alien Man is Throwing Mud at Big for having Good Hydra Synchronization yup.

Lynch him. And Invisible Man. Top see-krit!

[Big The Cat]

I wanna sort him out tonight, if I get the chance. :33333

I have already sorted him, Varsoon-Man~ There is a 70% chance that Invisible Man is scum yup~ Froggy thinks so too~
:33333
:33333
:33333

[Big The Cat]

I get Big's "scum on the wagon" voting tactic right now, I just don't see why it's Kalimer over NotQuiteThere.

With the Wagon Composition earlier, it was 3 voting Alien Man and 3 voting Invisible Man. Nice numbers yup.

[Big The Cat]

Varsoon. Don't vote Mainez, she's not scum. I can sort her pretty well anyway. Trust me on this.

NQT highly scum. Kalimar too. Gut scumreading Kalimar, but objectively NQT is more likely to be scum. I'm On Another Level.

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

Two of my top scumreads are being wagoned; that's too good to be true unless they're bussing, which I suspect they are. I just realized that both of them are only L-3 though, so that's not really a true danger to them. Right now NQT + Toast on Big makes 2, which now makes sense considering the third member of their team (I'm doubting it's West9 now, quite a bit of his recent posts have been town-looking). I was looking for a third scum because West9 didn't look like the third scum after all, and abra cadabra he just walked right up to me and presented himself.

If you noticed Big's push on Toast for his read on NQT, it was not random. Suspicion was held on Toast for a while, but it was very weak, which led to the push for reactions.

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

Big had replied to you. I'm not sure what you meant by "not saying shit".

-sonic

[Big The Cat]

And to answer your question: Both.


Something happened since then. Toast's chainsaw and attempt to counterwagon the two obvious main wagoned scum.

As for cheeky asshole, I'll let you decide

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

@all, really
What do you think about Kalimar lying?

I wouldn't be very surprised a-yup~

Like how Sonic would appear at my house whenever I'm cooking Xiao Long Buns and Chili Dogs a-yup~ They'd disappear yup~

Nothing new!!~

~Big

[Big The Cat]

<3

*hugs Varsoon-Man*

~Big

[Big The Cat]

D'Oh! Deadline is less than 24 hours!


Can we have some teamwork puh-lease?

~Big

[Big The Cat]

10 people, 6 to lynch, 3(?) baddies...

7 friends alive. Everyone must work together to defeat the baddies!

If Tiger Boy is inactive, we might have to vote Invisible Man instead!~

~Big

[Big The Cat]

D'Oh! Big made a whoopsie!

~Big

[Big The Cat]

VOTE: NotQuiteThere

I should have done this yesterday! Poor Alien Man!

[Big The Cat]

D'Oh!

Varsoon-Man outed my crumby crumb!

What should I do if my crumby-crumb has been outed?

Hmm...

[Big The Cat]

Mainez may be a baddie~

With Alien Man flipping a good guy, Big is sad

[Big The Cat]

I also think, maybe, this should indicate that I'm not scum, since I didn't fuckin' kill Big despite clearly knowing this.

D'Oh! But I got roleblocked last night

A baddie must have seen my crumby-crumb too!

[Big The Cat]

You seem pretty SUS-Pee-Cious!

[Big The Cat]

No, I am the Towniest of Town

You are SUS-Pee-Cious!

[Big The Cat]

Vote Invisible Man before you go~

meow.

[Big The Cat]

Okey dokie!

Varsoon-Man outed me already anyway.

I'm a Rolecop! Big BRO rolecopped Invisible Man before I replaced in.

The result is likely to be for a baddie, but Big wasn't sure. So Big tried to scumhunt and got Alien Man, but was wrong

Your turn, Invisible Man~

[Big The Cat]

Ooh, and I was roleblocked last night

~Big

[Big The Cat]

Claim entirely. Your role looks like a scum role. No more stalling.

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

Notquitethere is an Enabler.

I am of the opinion that it enables Daytalk, hence an Encryptor by just another name.

His repeated attempts to stall his claim and generate a piecemeal claim even after I have fullclaimed is a strong scumtell. Bullshit going by "What's the last letter" is entirely inappropriate when I have been serious about this.

Notquitethere is scum.

Lynch him.

[Big The Cat]

I had originally attempted to push for Kalimar yesterday because it wasn't a true foolproof black-and-white guilty. I genuinely thought Kalimar was scum, but I was wrong.

Notquitethere has consistently been scummy as pointed out by other players already. His response to my guilty today is a scum reponse.

Lynch him.

[Big The Cat]

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

Nah, if he's town we're fucked.

Betting the game on this, let's go.

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

Other half of the hydra here. Haven't fully read through because work and other game priorities, but yes we are town rolecop. Wondering if NQT could be enabling the BP/Immortal business instead of daytalk...

Plan on fully catching up tonight

-Froggy

[Big The Cat]

Wondering if NQT could be enabling the BP/Immortal business instead of daytalk...

Wow, NOW you're engaging your brain?

Brain has been engaged the whole time. Just been super busy with work to reply in depth.

Honest question...why do you have to be rude?

-Froggy

[Big The Cat]

VOTE: Mainez

So you think we could be a SK? Then how'd we call out NQT's role?

(Frog)

[Big The Cat]

If we were in LyLo wouldn't you be more worried about our vote on you?

[Big The Cat]

Specifically, I received No Result.

However, Froggy pointed out to me that this could have been caused by me targeting Mainez. I rolecopped Mainez and got no result. Which matches her "perma commuter" claim.

I assumed that it was because I was roleblocked. But this makes sense.

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

What benefits do you get when you eat immortals?

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

VOTE: JohnnyFarrar

We found a baddie~

Let's kill the baddie~

[Big The Cat]

This baddie has been killing only good guys all game!

He's been the BIGGEST BADDIE so far in the game!

Even more EVIL than Invisible Man~

~Big

[Big The Cat]

^ this tempts me for a Big lynch.
Not voting yet because no reason to have votes on the table atm.

Big, why vote tye TP who may be able to help us AND is apparently a survivor when Mafia are the real target we should be after!?

He *says* he's a "survivor", but is he *reeeeallly* a survivor??

He's killed more good guys than the Mafia, are you *suuuuuuure* he's not the real Mafia?

~Big

[Big The Cat]

Rolecop seems like a perfect scum role to have given the town-sided priming ability and the SK who can only eat immortals.
In some insane world, I'd even wager that Johnny and Big are scum partners, with Big's role allowing Johnny to get info that enables him to kill immortals.

Big is town

~Big

[Big The Cat]

^ this tempts me for a Big lynch.
Not voting yet because no reason to have votes on the table atm.

Big, why vote tye TP who may be able to help us AND is apparently a survivor when Mafia are the real target we should be after!?

He *says* he's a "survivor", but is he *reeeeallly* a survivor??

He's killed more good guys than the Mafia, are you *suuuuuuure* he's not the real Mafia?

~Big

But getting rid of him now dooms us. Scum will have a much easier time getting a majority with him gone, especially with the claims (they can avoid immortals).

If he isn't survivor, we can deal with him later.

Scum will have a much easier time getting a majority with him eating up all the town. This jokebag was responsible for killing 2/3 Nightkills in this game. Every night he survives, it's another townie lost.

By eliminating him, we eliminate an additional source of a nightkill. This is the most important to us.

He killed Jazzmyn even when she was obviously town. What does that tell you? He's definitely anti-town, probably the Serial Killer that we theorized, and not far within the realm of possibility of being a Mafia-PowerRole who can eliminate Immortals.

We lynch JohnnyFarrar today. He cannot be forgiven for killing Jazzmyn.

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

Would you rather risk a mislynch? Or get confirmed threat to the town lynched.

Simple fucking logic here.

He's been killing town, he needs to die. He has provided no convincing reason why he had to kill Jazzmyn or Beer. In fact, how did he snipe Beer in the first place? Did he claim immortal?

Mafia can hide, but this guy is straight-up anti-town and I'm 100% sure he's omitting or blatantly lying about his abilities

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

I'm Firo Prochainezo

[Big The Cat]

NotQuiteThere needs to be lynched.

All "town" enablers should know what they enable. Not knowing what they enable is a scumclaim.

Additionally, his argument against me was "I enable something good!", but later he backtracks and says that he "doesn't know what he enables".

Johnny/NQT are obvious scum. I, by extension of BROseidon's play, should be obvious town. Scum are just throwing mud on me because they think I'm an easy target.

-Sonic

[Big The Cat]

Unless they don't know what they're "Enabling".


If we want to go the safe route, Johnny is the best choice, hands down. No risk, high return.

[Big The Cat]

Why?

Do you seriously think that Johnny will accede to your orders to "eat noone"?

[Big The Cat]

The worry is that Johnny is bullshitting right out of his mouth and you are somehow taking it that everything he says can be trusted.

I'm not immortal. Or Cheetory didn't tell me about this very important discovery.

Did he claim who he generously made immortal Night 1? It wasn't Beer, and it wasn't Jazzmyn, because they both started out immortal. Oh and he ate both obvtown.

You haven't explained why you think I'm scum. True, Kalimar was lynched on my account, but the same with the people on CoolDoG.

I've already crumbed my result on NQT yesterday -- it's clear as day that I thought he was scum.

This makes me town, and it's clear as day.

[Big The Cat]

VOTE: NQT

Invisible Man is a baddie!~

Baddie baddie baddie~~~~~

~Big

[Big The Cat]

I need a little bit more time before I vote, mostly because A) I think that NQT is a good lynch but I'm afraid he might be enabling my roleblock and B) this

Big lynch is starting to feel like the Kalimar lynch in terms of everyone just being okay to default on it

.

It's really really not. I've yet to see any kind of refutation of any of these points of contention:

Things about Big:

-Has no substantial content for most of the first game-day they're here
-Gets someone else lynched other than their alleged scumpick
-Tries to get a pro-town role lynched soley because of that role
-Outs a role that, if killed, would harm town's chances
-Now is the strongest pusher for the Johnny lynch which, if you do the maths, pretty much would ensure a town defeat

We need to hit the mafia today and they're not making it hard for us. But don't just take my word for it, check their ISO.

We can add to that list:

"Doesn't give any supporting reasons for pushing a NQT lynch, despite this most likely being LYLO"

1) That's a blatant lie. I've provided more content than you did.
2) That's not alignment indicative. In fact, it's more likely town would do that than scum
3) You're not a confirmed pro-town role. I'm a pro-town role instead
4) That's a point of contention. Considering that you don't know what your role enables, I'd say that's bullshit.
5) I'm voting you. Unfortunately, town is bad enough to not vote you, obviously bullshitting about "My role is good" VS "I don't know what my role does".

None of those are points of contention. YOU, are a point of contention.