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Post Post #50 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:12 am

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In post 47, Boonskiies wrote:

It's still basically RVS. Nero and I don't get along.


Then explain why you say it's D1 Policy, or mandatory. Have any past experience you can give about your encounters, Emporor Kuzco?
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Post Post #51 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:25 am

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In post 48, Klingoncelt wrote:No, sadly, I'm not Scum with anyone, I'm all Town.

It still looks suspiciously similar to the way you attacked me for attacking your scumbuddy House.

But Boon being a revisionist is the same thing HE did last time as scum too.
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Post Post #52 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:28 am

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Are you guys using meta purely for RVS votes or is it going to factor into your play for the entirety of the game?
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Post Post #53 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:31 am

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my RVS vote on IKA is absolutely policy.

Kling and PM might be ok lynches, idk yet.
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Post Post #54 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:33 am

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Treat me like I'm stupid here;
Policy vote or you think IKA should be policy lynch?
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Post Post #55 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:34 am

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I think IKA should be policy lynched
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Post Post #56 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:38 am

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Is it not a week bit early to be going about a policy lynch?
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Post Post #57 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:39 am

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What is your town motivation in wanting to keep a player that hammers at l1 irregardless?
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Post Post #58 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:42 am

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In post 51, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 48, Klingoncelt wrote:No, sadly, I'm not Scum with anyone, I'm all Town.

It still looks suspiciously similar to the way you attacked me for attacking your scumbuddy House.


but also, if you think I am scum then why no vote?
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Post Post #59 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:42 am

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It's not irregardless. Day 1 there's literally nothing. If someone gets put to L-1, why the fuck not hammer? People are obviously okay with it. I mainly only do it Day 1, not "irregardless". My main way to scum hunt is by analyzing flips and add them to vote counts/associations. There is your town motivation.
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Post Post #60 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:44 am

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Why are you answering a question directed at, Mick?
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Post Post #61 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:57 am

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also ignore comma
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Post Post #62 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 12:58 am

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I was unaware of that particular playstle feature, thank you for making me aware of it.
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that "irregardless" contradicts itself and technically actually means "regarding". The word you are looking for is just "regardless".
So hypothetically boon, you're at L-1. Do you self hammer?
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Post Post #63 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:04 am

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So far I'm scum reading everyone. I feel like the mod's next post may endgame me.
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Post Post #64 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:05 am

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In post 62, ConManMick wrote:I was unaware of that particular playstle feature, thank you for making me aware of it.
I'd like to take this opportunity to point out that "irregardless" contradicts itself and technically actually means "regarding". The word you are looking for is just "regardless".
So hypothetically boon, you're at L-1. Do you self hammer?



If I town read the person, I'm not going to hammer them. If it's Day 1, and I am not getting townie vibes, and they are already at L-1, why not hammer them? Give me a good reason why I shouldn't hammer someone Day 1 who is null-lean scum who everyone else has already put, and seemingly okay with, them being at L-1?
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Post Post #65 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 1:12 am

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I'm siding with boonskies on this one.

In my opinion, town start with the information of just themselves. Where scum start with information on themselves and the town.

A D1 that can end with just a swift hammer can only help the town close the information gap that gives the scum the advantage to start every game.

If it's someone I town read with good reason I wouldn't hammer, but like he said someone with scum vibes who has already played well enough to be at L1 should just be offed.

Too often I see town's run people to L1, get a claim, back off, run the next person up to L1, get a claim, back off... All that does is help scum fill in their gaps. They don't have that many to fill in. While town can only take people's word for everything. They won't be able to confirm those answers until a flip.

The game starts on D2, the quicker you get there and begin working the better for town.
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Post Post #66 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:44 am

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so i got a townread on boon, evilpac, and kaboose

more to come after work bout to head out
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Post Post #67 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 2:54 am

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That doesn't sound like quick hammering to me
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Post Post #68 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:32 am

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In post 64, Boonskiies wrote:Give me a good reason why I shouldn't hammer someone Day 1 who is null-lean scum who everyone else has already put, and seemingly okay with, them being at L-1?

Argumentum ad populum

I think that someone should ATLEAST get a final post.

If they are scum their final post may have clues
if town they may have some things to that will help
their claim may make us not want to lynch them

the idea that town is so much better off on day 2 with atleast one flip is p ridiculous and is not (IMO) a valid reason to quick hammer.

but I don't really want to have a theory discussion.
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Post Post #69 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:38 am

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Im just offended Nero's applying past experience w/an alt to me. He's as good a flip as any, esp considering how he's a just entrenched himself into dramak ;)
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Post Post #70 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:39 am

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In post 50, PMysterious wrote:
In post 47, Boonskiies wrote:

It's still basically RVS. Nero and I don't get along.


Then explain why you say it's D1 Policy, or mandatory. Have any past experience you can give about your encounters, Emporor Kuzco?

Why does Boon's have to answer this but Nero doesnt?
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Post Post #71 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 3:53 am

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vote: Nero
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Post Post #72 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:47 am

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Policy lynch on day 1? How would that be a good strategy? We'll have no information to go on day 2.
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Post Post #73 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 4:55 am

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In post 70, pisskop wrote:
In post 50, PMysterious wrote:
In post 47, Boonskiies wrote:

It's still basically RVS. Nero and I don't get along.


Then explain why you say it's D1 Policy, or mandatory. Have any past experience you can give about your encounters, Emporor Kuzco?

Why does Boon's have to answer this but Nero doesnt?

I've already explained why I am voting IKA and in lieu of any good scum suspects (besides maybe celt) it is currently the best vote.
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Post Post #74 (ISO) » Sun Jul 05, 2015 7:04 am

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In post 49, Klingoncelt wrote:It's more about style than words, for both of you.

What about Nero's style makes you read him as scum here?
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