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Post Post #750 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:32 am

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In post 749, Klick wrote:And why would you play a survivalistic game as a VT? I could understand as scum or the Doctor, but VTs should be playing to attract the NK. What did you have to gain from surviving nights?

I haven't looked at gameplay in depth yet, but I see myself voting Firebringer.

I survive nights so that scum hit each other.

Why would you want to attract NK in this game mode? It's intended for cross killing. Attracting NK hurts town more in this mode.

You of all people should see that.
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Post Post #751 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:37 am

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So you're saying scum should be shooting scum, correct? That would imply the way to survive the nights is to look PRO-town. However, you claim to be trying to look ANTI-town to survive the night. Why is that?

Regardless of the game mode, you achieve optimal results as a VT by being pro-town.
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Post Post #752 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:40 am

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In post 751, Klick wrote:So you're saying scum should be shooting scum, correct? That would imply the way to survive the nights is to look PRO-town. However, you claim to be trying to look ANTI-town to survive the night. Why is that?

Regardless of the game mode, you achieve optimal results as a VT by being pro-town.

I just said exactly reason. If I look anti town, scum inclined to ignore me and go for town.

Scum want to lynch other scum. At night they want to aim for town. That's what I said.

You twist everything to support your play style.

I get it you like being pro town.

Not everyone else cares to look town.
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Post Post #753 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:44 am

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:facepalm:

Firebringer has stopped making sense to me. I'm just going to look at gameplay now and see what I get.
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Post Post #754 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 5:45 am

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I make complete sense. At least I am able to see your POV on looking town always, I just don't agree with it.

Especially in this game mode.
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Post Post #755 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:07 am

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Just a clarification: I never said a VT's goal should be to LOOK town. I said they should be pro-town, scumhunt, find and lynch the scum. Looking town comes naturally with that. The main thing is, all VTs without exception should be playing their hardest to find scum. Purposefully playing anti-town to avoid a nightkill results in a player that's difficult to read and hasn't done much scumhunting at all ending up in endgame; in this setup, that's true of both town and scum.

Reading through gameplay's ISO. There are times when he neglects the game and doesn't scumhunt, but when he DOES scumhunt, it looks genuine. However, that doesn't mean all that much since the scum also have scum to look for. I feel like regardless of alignment, gameplay believed Mist was scum in his push on her. Part of this makes me want to believe he killed Mist? But that would also require Wanderer going along with a Mist kill.
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, have either of you played in a game with Wanderer-scum before?

Post #319 is a bit of a scum lean IMO:
In post 319, gameplay506 wrote:I usually hate to give really solid scum reads early on but right now I am feeling both Cow and Mist are scum. Even on the same team lol, kinda...

This makes me think gameplay could have been hunting for a single team and thought he was confident in Cow and Mist being Ice. But that's not very strong reasoning.

In Post #374 he insults Wanderer without implying a read on her one way or another. Scum lean there. Does the same sort of non-reading interaction in #523.

The rest of his ISO is tunneling on Cow, his scumread after Mist, while ignoring most everything else.
So really I get a scum read on gameplay after a read-through. :/

hayato, can I hear your thoughts?
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Post Post #756 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:29 am

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Lol really fukera
I am not even gonna try cus I am fukin town
Obv too
Dumb but obvious
sad thing is i dont know whether it is klick or fire lol
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Post Post #757 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:33 am

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Actually I wanna vote klick cus Fire's paranoia really seems genuine
And I dont really think firescum would go with the harder lynch so
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Post Post #758 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:34 am

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Actually you know fuk it
VOTE: Klick
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Post Post #759 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 6:47 am

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I'm beginning to question why I started playing Mafia again, when endgame play devolves to this.
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Post Post #760 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:04 am

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We about to win town?!?!?!?

Come on hayato, we got this I think!
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Post Post #761 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:08 am

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VOTE: Firebringer
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Post Post #762 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 7:10 am

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Sorry Klick.

You are going down.
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Post Post #763 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:02 am

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Not voting:

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Post Post #764 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 8:33 am

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In post 180, Klick wrote:
Forum Rules and Guidelines wrote:
  • Play to win the game.

If you're town, you're not playing to win; you're playing to be satisfied when you lose.
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Post Post #765 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:40 am

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Ew
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Post Post #766 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 10:51 am

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Wtf. Putting all the pressure on me. At least prove klick is scum first.

So, klick you're ok with me voting fire and prove gameplay is town?
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Post Post #767 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:25 am

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Only try to clear someone as town if you're confident they're town. Do you read gameplay as town?
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Post Post #768 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:33 am

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no. I'm gauging your confidence, because you've already voted and it seems you aren't.
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Post Post #769 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:36 am

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I'm not confident to the point where I would risk the game on it now. I think they could both easily be scum. Frankly, right now I'm voting Firebringer because he's annoying. :P That and reactions etc. etc. But mostly the first reason.
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Post Post #770 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:41 am

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In post 755, Klick wrote:have either of you played in a game with Wanderer-scum before?
nope

In post 757, gameplay506 wrote:Actually I wanna vote klick cus Fire's paranoia really seems genuine
What paranoia? He wants to lynch Klick because he doesn't want to lose to him. Anyway, absent town-case on you(which should be provided by Firebringer) there's no way I'm going to simply agree with a Klick lynch.

In post 757, gameplay506 wrote:And I dont really think firescum would go with the harder lynch so
I go for the harder lynch all the time as scum to gain town-cred. You're saying you never did this?
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Post Post #771 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 11:43 am

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In post 758, gameplay506 wrote:Actually you know fuk it
VOTE: Klick


Hmm...why on earth would you go for a harder lynch? You have to be Town!
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Post Post #772 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:17 pm

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Damn it, just ISO-ed gameplay and Fire. This is going to be difficult...
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Post Post #773 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:18 pm

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Hayato dont be an idiot
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Post Post #774 (ISO) » Wed Aug 05, 2015 12:27 pm

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