Mini 1771 - Legend of Zelda Mafia: Storm the Castle Endgame

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Does this post bother you at all?

I'm more bothered by him asking me "how are you so sure" when I said toog would flip town earlier tbh.
Why does that bother you? Should it bother me?

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No it frankly isn't. It's asking you to out information regarding PRs and if he is a VT, it's terrible posting.

Who do you scumread besides Cakez/Toog? Can you meet me anywhere plausible?

Eh. It's not.
The bigger question is did he not know the game really was advertised as role madness. If he didn't then it's an innocent enough question because it looks like I've got info that I shouldn't and if he's a VT he's a bit more apt to go "wait what where's my PR?"

Certainly fakable. And not as good a post as it would be if he had claimed something else because as you said that's a bad post to make as a VT. But it isn't damning.

Not sure why we're having this conversation when we both know you're just gonna shoot him anyway, though.

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I'm certainly not as active as some, but other than you Cakez, and PW, I haven't made significantly fewer posts than anyone. Especially since I was mostly V/LA for the weekend. So, you are vastly exaggerating. Honestly, I'm not concerned with your scum read on me. I'm concerned with my town read on you. So, trying to imply that the way I'm coming at you is going to make you continue to scum read isn't going to convince me to stop coming at you.

I think we're locked into a "who cares less about who's read on who" contest and it's silly because I'm guaranteed to win.

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Honestly I'm still really fucking bothered by how beeboy came back from VLA and the first thing he said was. "Why am I a leading wagon?"
And that catchup, if you can even call it that was terrible. So screw it I'm reigniting this.

VOTE: beeboy

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Still wasn't buddying. I just think it's weird that there's so much resistance to sir cakez' lynch. People are doing everything they can to pull us in different directions and stop it from going through.

You realize that you're not voting cakes right?
And unvoted because of XK voting him while agreeing with one of your points, right?

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That was actually a weird disconnect I just felt.

Like a super blatant wanting the wagon to go through while not wanting it to go through cogdis kinda thing.

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If not cakes. I'd shoot aristo. Maybe beeboy.

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Who? and which wagon?

Was referring to PW's. "everyone is doing whatever they can to not let it go through" which is an echo first and foremost - but also pretty weird to say while not voting cakes and being unsure based on your vote earlier.

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You're just dead set on shooting town aren't you.

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I love you titus.

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I wouldn't gaf if you shot nahdia honestly.

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That was in response to you disagreeing with all my preferred shots.

I actually highly doubt aristo flips town so fuckit if there's no info.

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VOTE: aristo

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How many scum reads to you actually have?

How many do you think I have?

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I've actually been pretty good this game about not wavering all too much on my townreads save for beeboy recently.
Then there's like 5 or so people who's flips I'd like to see in order from meh to yes please.

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Yo I was thinking the same thing.^

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XK how would you feel about an ari shot?

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\/iging ari now is the same as hammering before someone can role claim.

???

Nobody is vigging anyone yet.

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in games like this where the chances of someone flipping scum are a little higher.

Hold up what do you mean by this?

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People are saying it is a good idea.

I mean. We'll wait for a claim I guess.
But it's probably like the best vig shot objectively.
I don't really know why we're wagoning him, though if this is in place of a lynch.

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So it ends the day?

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Oh, that's really cool then.

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Precisely what it says. I figure that there is probably 3 Mafia, and at least one or two 3rd party roles about. Isn't that normally how Role Madness games are?

I don't try and guess setups anymore because mods all keep trying to be special snowflakes.
Plus this is my first 3dice game.

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I can't belie\/e I am the only one going against this ffs.

Me either.
I like how real this playerlist is keeping it.
More people should adopt the purge all lurkfucks ideology.

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Also beeboy your consensus thing is dumb. I'd bus Ari here no doubt. Means nothing really.

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Dual day 1 is OP.

Yep.

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Yea no. He has been AtEing his was through this whole thing.

Not a scumtell. Not even close.

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mod

- prod on aristophanes please.

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Oh nevermind. It's a prod every three days.
Isn't that delightful.

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Yea just shoot him.

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I recall Aristo having an aversion to playing scum.
The timing of his posts look like resetting the prod timer.

@Clevage, It's as close as you can get anywhere. You aren't answering how Toog's play is town, you're saying it's not a scumclaim. Shiro and I are both pretty certain Toog is scum.

I thought we went over why I think toog will probably flip town.
Saying he's scum because of some ATE is just bullshit that needs to be called out more often so it stops happening. That's all.

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If Ari is this obvscum, like everyone is peddling, why is it so hard to get votes on him and easy on Cakey?

It's not or wasn't easy to votes on cakes. As the most active person in this thread I feel I'm more qualified on that subject than you are.
If Ari is scum, people are and probably have bussing or throwing light shade there anyway.

@Dave; It's just more town controlled kills. But I agree that trying to set this up in a way that makes it like a second lynch will probably create more false positives than not considering that there's no real reason to oppose the ari lynch outside of lolpolicy anyway.

We'll still end up with an actual lynch though so no worries.

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Also titus in reading toogs iso the only thing that really stands out is him taking a pretty aggressive town stance on PW on the back of my page 1 (lol) reasons for voting him and basically using that plus "he's genuine" to call him town and used that as leverage to dig into with his push on beeboy. While ignoring what I've brought up later on.
Could actually be scum after a closer look.
I just think most of your reasoning has been bad. : D

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Dav and... idk?

Between me and toog you don't know who you'd shoot?
Really?

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@Clevage, Your Cakey wagon was cakewalk.

Nope.

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What dav said.

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It's also unhealthy for the gamestate because nobody who's actually playing the game is feeling any pressure right now.

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That's the town response.

Whether you're correct about that or not.
Do you see what I mean about this wagon giving stilted info?

Feel like I just had deja vu.

Not like from this game but like a long time ago.

Wow that was weird.

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beeboy isn't obvtown please

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Nobody claims at L minus 2 Dave. That is unless they are scum or noob.

or toog

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Nahdia's town.

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Dav's town.

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Where's my homie cakes at?

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Clevage, your reads are shit.

Fuck off.

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Shiro and I are getting cold feet on shooting Ari given the situation.

What situation?

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You're thinking about it too much.
What would you do if you were scum with Ari here?

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Like people want Ari dead but they do not want him to claim in L-1 intent range and they are trying to make us kill him before he even claims. This is highly suspicious. Plus look at how easy it was to build the omg let's get Ari, EXACTLY when we started pressing Toog.

I watch on as shiro slowly becomes titus. The moonlogic has taken over.
There is no going back now.

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There's certain games and instances were getting a claim before killing someone is probably the smart thing to do.
But not everyone is as all about that as I am - or evidently you guys are.
You just subscribed scum motive to like, half the game.

fwiw I'd like to see ari's claim but I'm not sure how much possibility it has on swaying my desire to purge the slot at this point.

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I am one of your biggest targets, and I've claimed. Can we move on with the game now that we've established you are full of shit? You've already caused one person to Exodus the game because of your antics.

I don't think this is fair.
I can see where they're coming from with this.
It's just not helpful.
And not everyone is good at putting up with stubbornness.

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I don't see the big resistance to the Ari wagon. He still has yet to show up and scumhunt so keeping the pressure on him makes sense. If he doesn't shape up then the Bakers can go to town on him. And I agree with Dav on Beeboy being scum. I'm not sure why people are townreading Beeboy so heavily.

beeby, why are you townreading this?

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Thing is, if ari is like an IC or something we're gonna feel pretty silly.

I just don't think an L1 is necessary.

Mirhawk your argument that he's never gonna read the thread is bad because replacements are a thing.
If he prod dodges one more time, then I'd say yea just shoot the bastard.

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I wanted to tell him to stop being lynch bait earlier but I wanted to see how far he would go.
Reading the thread in large groups of a time it isn't that scummy just like poorly worded.

Maybe I'm stupid but I don't understand either of these sentences in the context of why you think cakes is town.

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Being threatened with a dayvig/lynch usually makes people do things.

Unless they're scum.

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Maybe the whole scumteam is just lurking and I'm getting cabin fever?
I've had that thought occasionally.

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Dayvig: Toog

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{Cookie Bakers, Davsto, Dwlee99}
{Nahdia, Phoenix Wright}
{Mirhawk, Radja}

line of death

{Aristophanes, Toogeloo}
{Xkfyu, SirCakez, beeboy}

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Not really.

Btw that's a very typical scum response.

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VOTE: beeboy

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Wow, it took one vote to get a soft.
That's a new record I think.

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I'd rather not get to the point where people see a soft and try to force me to hard.

lol
Lynching you is gonna be so much fun.

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Because I'm inclined to read maybe the last 5-10 and go from there so as to not waste everyone's time anymore.

???

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Why do you feel like you're "wasting everyone's time?"

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Okay yea I was gonna try and ease him into it but.

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The direct approach works too.

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Hi pisskop.

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Holy rolefish batman.

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What an awful waste of an ic that would be.

ikr

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To be fair I'm always skeptical of JOAT claims but that's just typical scumcakes tossing shade on you I'm thinking.

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Tick tock.

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Because she's secretly going through an elaborate ruse to have everyone mass claim and doesn't want to shoot town and have it be entirely their fault.

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Ari I'm super interested in your reads.

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2/3 of these would benefit scum more then town as JOAT shots (doublevote and roleblock)

This is a bad argument that I see scum make quite often.

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It's scummy because it sounds like a scum role, not a town role.

See this is what I'm talking about.
The bloody fuck is a "scum role" these days?

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Okay wise guy.

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I give it to you that it was slightly weird that it took so long for Ari to out with his Joat stuff.
But I'm not about guessing the mod on day 1.

And saying "double vote would be cool for scum to use to quickhammer" is a terrible reason to throw shade + you didn't even ask if it could still be used in lylo.
I'm guessing it can't.

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Titus you should dayvig someone so we can not be in this weird limbo anymore.

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How would a townie use a one-shot doublevote?

Depends if it's one shot per day or ever.
My last game I was a septuple-voter and never even used it.

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It was a large
but after like day 4 yea.

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My problem, cakes, is that this is the most enthusiasm you've pushed ANYONE with and it's on the back of terrible reasoning.
It's like saying that my uncle owns a axe, that means he's an axe murderer.

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Can you talk to me about your dwlee read?

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>my PW push

That's the thing.
Enthusiasm.
You plopped a case down cuz the spotlight was on you, sure.
No development or much follow through, though.

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But then if he's scum why would he mention that ability?

Because it's not really even inherently scummy and it's something confirmable for town to chew on.
I kinda think Ari's posts were kinda okay, though, once he got involved a bit.

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Exactly it's a weird overlap. Maybe I could have bought it but the other two one-shots he claimed both look like scum-aligned abilities.

They really don't, though. But w/e.

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I agree.

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I was hoping for a roleblock specifically because we bypass role blockers. That strongly suggests scum have a roleblocker. I was trying to sit on this to draw a roleblocker CC specifically, hence why I focused on that part.

A town + scum roleblocker is yucky. I've seen it before but I don't know why you'd straight up assume that it's a thing.

Drifting towards you just shooting Ari again but I really don't know.

I also don't know if I see scumcakes CCing here no matter how daintily he went about it.

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And we should lynch beeboy.

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I just iso'd dwlee and can't remember why I had a townread there.

I don't get why strongman suggests scum RB.

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Clevage, we're likely dead tonight is our concern. We want to shoot Toog and lynch Ari. If we go the other way, can you promise us hell or high water if we die Toog dies? No wifom justification. No chasing after shiny objects. No nothing. If there's a cop clear, Toog is a godfather. Like no excuses. Do not let Toog win this game as scum by having town rip each other apart ok?

I keep my own counsel.
I've no problem with a toog kill. If that's what you wanna do then do it so we can reassess if need be while we're both here.

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yay

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VOTE: Xkfyu

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I'm just over here, voting scum.
While you guys argue over stupid shit.

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PW is kind of slipping as a scumread for me, he's shaped up.

How so?
Has he posted at all since you had him as your top scum read?

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Pisskop is town. Toog is meh.
I think you're confusing scumhunting with killing things you don't like or something.
But you guys do you.

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For someone who went about the entire day trying to make it protown and shit, you're sure forgetting that a quick consensus lynch on toog tells us nothing regardless of flip.
I'm not blocking anything.

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cakes, piss, nahdia

help purge XK

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Cakes just bus him and I'll let you live till day 3.

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You clearly were wrong on Cakes trying to divert from Toog and now you're trying to minimize the value of lynching scum knowing full well we are likely dead tonight.

Now you're just making shit up.

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I never had toog as strong scum and never said shit about cakes trying to "divert" from there. I think you're projecting your own moonlogic on to everyone else.

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Cookie you are link <3
Awww =D

This needs to die as well.

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I made a typo and fixed in my next post. You're the one diverting from Toog not Cakey.

If pushing obvscum is diverting from toog then guilty as charged.
You want your lynch you'll have to out work me.

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P-Edit: Beeboy has to go also

jinx
maybe you actually are town

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Phoenix you should vote XK.

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I could do beeboy as well because I think they're both scum but beeboy if scum was bussed which means he's probably more expendable.
-sensei's moonlogic of the day-

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Remember XK's disgusting wagon hop onto cakes?
There's that.
Also his iso is filled to the brim with overworded echoes and awkward surface thriving quips of townposts that only vaguely looks like scumhunting if you squint at it.

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I have an opportunistic vote on my buddy, then?

See, this kinda stuff.
Clearly scumposting.

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And it's not only just that his posts are hollow most of the time.
It's that now that we aren't in limbo and actually are free to push for lynches we went. He's still directionless and isn't doing anything that resembles pushing the people he thinks are scum.
Unless you count his naked vote on toog, I guess.

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PW is annoying because he's not down to just blindly sheep your reads.
Okay then.

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That wasn't talking about beeboy.
But it certainly applies to him as well.

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Yeah, your hypocrisy is showing. Beeboy and X questioned your reads and you want to lynch them. Cakez was against you. PW was against you.

Sorry titus I'm not you. I don't lynch people just for disagreeing with me.

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You couldn't try to lynch us BC we had dayvig.

When did I push a lynch on you?
Never.
Stop creating stupid noise and work for your toog mislynch.

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Yeah, your hypocrisy is showing. Beeboy and X questioned your reads and you want to lynch them. Cakez was against you. PW was against you.

Sorry titus I'm not you. I don't lynch people just for disagreeing with me.

This is not why we are voting Toog at all

~Shiro

Oh good. You see my point then.
That's not why I'm voting Xk.

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Cakes look at your lynchpool. Look at the wagon on toog. Then search your heart.

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Lamo.

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So bussing and/or at least one of those is wrong. I'll let it develop.

Basically where I'm at.
If toog's scum, he's getting bussed hard.

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Titus you're being weird. I'm not mad anymore. But you preach all the time about VCA sucking balls when there's no "choice."
I'm trying to give people a choice.
The composition of XK's wagon is all town.
Toog's isn't. That's why I'm worried.

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It's not even based on an assumption that you're scum.
I think if toog's actually scum then his buddies are put into too good a position so my efforts for a counter are detrimental. If he's town it doesn't really matter.
Which is the problem with "conftown" ego being what's pushing the game forward and how the current way most people analyze votes and stuff.
It loses games.

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And I'm only saying this because I'm not as confident in a town flip on toog as I wish I could be. Because he's a fucking lurksack.

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Your wagon has scum on it. Mine does not.

This is the thought that I'm actually the most afraid of.

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Okay titus let's say toog's scum.
You think scum all jump on a counter and dare defy your will?

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That's the meta these days. All about bussing.

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Like to the point where I think that everyone voting XK right now, regardless of XK's alignment, are obvtowned if toog is scum.

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Which makes toog not a bad flip today if you're confident there.

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Do you follow what I'm trying to say though?

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Considering all they have to do is sheep you and murder me,

True.
But I think beeboy's turnaround on me was icky enough that he thinks he's gonna have some leverage tomorrow and I wanna know why.

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Eh, actually beeb and toog don't really feel like buddies on a dual iso.

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Like to the point where I think that everyone voting XK right now, regardless of XK's alignment, are obvtowned if toog is scum.

No. This is garbage. You want to pursue your same Lynch's after Toog flips scum. Unbelievable.

Really? Cuz I'm pretty sure I'm right.
Not that I'm confident in a scumflip but w/e.

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Thanks beeboy.

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That's debatable.

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He's voting toog.

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Alright, before we lynch toog, I think we should wait for content from the new slot.

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And yes, I have accepted the inevitable.

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Cookies why are you townreading dwlee?

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Anyone with experience with Dwlee should be town reading him right now.

I liked his tone earlier but he's since drifted into doing fucking nothing.

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But it's good to know that you're willing to WK for him so that probably makes him town.

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Toog lynch > Xk lynch > Beeboy lynch

Think I like this order, actually. But maybe switch XK and beeboy and proceed until we flip scum then go from there.

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But you prefer to lynch me over beeboy today?

No, xk, not anymore.

VOTE: beeboy

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Xk, what are your reads looking like as a whole?

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In what world would a fruit vendor not claim to be a fruit vendor wtf?

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Town:
Toog (since his claim)

Why did you like his claim?

Scum:
Dwlee

This seems sudden.

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PK, you down to string up beeby?

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Lol.
No, I was pushing you before that.
Remember the world record for least pressure making someone soft?
That was me. I get that you're skimming my posts, though.

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Lol yea toog's probably town.

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More beeboy votes please tia.

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Cuz beeboy is scummier.

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I have been scum reading beeboy literally this entire day. Sometimes a little less. Sometimes a little more. Right now, it's more.

I meant your dwlee read.

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He started pushing me a lot harder after I said I didn't want to claim.

Nope.

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Nahdia, if beeboy flips scum you're sheeping me the rest of the game just for that.

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VOTE: beeboy

I got a pretty strong role for role madness so I wouldn't do that.

Yes I vote you, then you softclaim. You're shifting the timeline.

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You're trying to twist that my push on you for some reason has something to do with me wanting to get a claim out of you when I was pushing you with the knowledge that this game is role madness anyway - pluuuus I was pushing far before you said "ive got a cool role" frankly I could gaf everyone probably has cool roles.

pedit: dear god XK wtf was that post just now

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No. It's not really sudden, I just haven't talked about it. I don't necessarily think he's Mafia. Maybe some sort of 3rd party. He doesn't seem to be doing anything except for making sidebar comments about who is town.

I just don't understand what prompted you to hedge and make the distinction between scum and third party.

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We expect great things, chaosomega.

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beeboy needs death though

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Much like how your name is spelled, I don't think many people really care about your opinion at the moment though.

I'd keep toog around just so he keeps making posts like this.

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Nah we're all chill here.

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mirhawk, me, toog, xk, cakes
L2
I think.

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What about toog flipping town would make you more apt to lynch XK?

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Why?

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Associations, the way they've interacted, how Toog voted Xk, etc.

Can't really recall any volatile interactions between them.

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Is this the hammer?

No.

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Flavor doesn't mean shite.

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Zelda is a pretty townie flavor claim, idk now.

I just lost like 500 braincells.

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You honestly think this is breakable by flavor?

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Yes.
Especially in a theme like this where most good/evil characters are incredibly unambiguous.

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Safe flavor claims are important - without them you're not playing mafia.

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I think Zelda being a rolecop is weirder but I wouldn't lynch him over it.
beeboy is still scum by play.

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Hammer is a scumclaim. Still would like to know the other ability he's holding out on.

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UNVOTE:

So nobody gets cheeky.

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Want content from chaosomega as well.

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Where'd you go beeboy? You're not off the hook yet.

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sigh

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VOTE: Xkfyu?

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I'm not about lynching cops day 1 tbh.

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Is there a condition for your regular cop?

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You just gonna keep going down the line until you get a claim from everyone?

No.

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Whats wrong with this wagon?

You don't lynch cops right away. You let them get some results first.
And if he's town he's pretty likely to eat a scum kill.

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Btw cakez, Apparently you are the only one whose abbilies appear to not have flavour to them. What gives ?It is really out of place. Mine had, Aris had and apparently beeboys as well.

This doesn't mean anything.

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VOTE: toog

Kinda beyond giving a fuck tbh.

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If this is wrong titus.
You owe me like, at least 2 sheeps.

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No, not really.

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I don't want to lynch him anymore.
If he's an actual cop let him get some clears.

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^ganondorf

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I don't think anyone's townreading beeboy, how could you.
We just wanna let him get results.
Or make scum kill him.
This isn't hard.

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Wow holy shit you're caught up already?

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inb4 titus scumreads chaosomega

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UNVOTE:

gonna sleep on it

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This is partially true, but scum will put themselves in the spotlight to get mislynches on occasion. A game I just finished, Open 623, had a prime example of this. We all just wrote off a deathtunneler as town and they ended being scum. So just because he's hard pushing doesn't clear them 100% of being scum.

Would you be happier if we gave percentages on our reads? Like, I don't know how anyone else can't see it, but Phoenix is like 97.452% town. That gives me 2.548% of being wrong I guess.

I think Toog should be lynched just for posting this. Sadly, the other head doesn't agree. I just don't think !townToog would bring these percentages in the game.

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-PC

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Unvote;
Vote: Xkfyu
Unvote;
Vote: beeboy

K, now Cakez comment makes more sense.

Opportunistic.

Am I L-1?

This is definitely faked.

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-PC

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PW vs. xkyu is tvt

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Mirhawk

Can you go more into your townread here.

Phoenix Wright

And your scumread here.

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This is partially true, but scum will put themselves in the spotlight to get mislynches on occasion. A game I just finished, Open 623, had a prime example of this. We all just wrote off a deathtunneler as town and they ended being scum. So just because he's hard pushing doesn't clear them 100% of being scum.

Would you be happier if we gave percentages on our reads? Like, I don't know how anyone else can't see it, but Phoenix is like 97.452% town. That gives me 2.548% of being wrong I guess.

I think Toog should be lynched just for posting this. Sadly, the other head doesn't agree. I just don't think !townToog would bring these percentages in the game.

There's better reasons to call toog scum than this homie.

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i don't drink coffee ^_^

That sounds terrible.

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VOTE: Dwlee

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So why are people voting me?

Oh my goodness.
Pisskop you may be on to something here.

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No, for real, though, that's a scummy reaction.

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I eagerly await your response.

:3

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It seems almost out of nowhere and almost whimsical. Those wagons almost always hit scum.

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iso dwlee, tell me what you think

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One liners is my playstyle. Soooo

Who said anything about you being scum for posting one liners?