ROLE MADNESS: Dead Thread

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400 page D1!
400 page D1!

Are you excited to see the world burn?

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My body is always ready.

I forgot that you're in a freezer. Of course your body is always ready for a potential scorched earth.

I kid about the world burning, but the game does look like it's going to balloon in size fairly quickly.

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What's this about an automatic vote counter? That would be super helpful for my upcoming mini normal.

There are a couple running around. I don't know which ones Wake88 tried, but the one I've personally used is this one by Thesp. The FAQ page lists what you need to have in the opening post and what your players need to do in order to have their votes counted. As long as those rules are followed, Thesp's vote counter works well.

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400 page D1!
400 page D1!

When you made this estimate, did you include confirmation phase?

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Doesn't the VC Settings have to be in the first post?

Thesp's FAQ page indicates that it needs to be within the first five posts. We'll see how it goes in this game.

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As Parama noted, it's going to take 22 votes to achieve a lynch on Day 1. Can it be done?

I'm a little surprised that plurality lynch isn't being used in such a large game, but this would make good entertainment, too. Dance, puppets, dance.

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I go to sleep and the game balloons to page 40+?

I'd bet if I weren't emotionally attached to this avatar. Unofficial bet of 600.

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I'd have put down a bet that they wouldn't get a majority, but they already have someone a quarter of the way there.

What did Hot Chocolate do to get all that ire?

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We should totally play a mini in here

Play a Mini in here and have the actual dead players spectate.

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I'm not the green kind of fun police, but you probably can't, for the record.

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It doesn't matter to claim if I'm just vanilla...

Somewhere in the heavens, the Mafia gods are weeping.

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I'mma be real
If you're reading this game
you're a chump.

Damn.

I hardclaim one-time use 20x voter.

Everyone making official bets, it might be time to reconsider your numbers.

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Ugh. This game.

Ascetic: Fire Assassin
Citizen: iraonavp, long_island_medium^?
Innocent Child (unconfirmed): Accountant
Masonry: amalgam, Klingoncelt, RachMarie
Neighborhood: Blanche, Egg, RachMarie, +3 more

I'm assuming the other claims that were made were junk claims until evidence suggests otherwise. RachMarie seems to suggest that Fire Assassin is also in that neighborhood, but who knows?

Hot Chocolate is probably a mislynch.

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DGB claimed vanilla.

It's DrippingGoofball. I'm taking that claim with a grain of salt.

I'm adjusting my unofficial bet to 60 pages.

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We should play a game where a person who guesses the total D1 pages the closest assigns a new avi to a person who guesses the total D1 pages the furthest.

Official bets:

GuyInFreezer - 400
Nahdia - 111 -> 222
SirCakez - 250
Infinity 324 - 400
pieguyn - 280

Unofficial bets:

Ircher - 300
Equinox - 600 -> 60
mhsmith0 - 150

All guesses included regardless of timing, so whomever can decide on the arbitrary deadline ex post facto.

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... or, uh, not all guesses were included!

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It's one of the powers you'd see in a Newbie game.

One of {cop, doctor, jailer, tracker} would be a fairly powerful claim, but it will not be enough to kill the momentum. There's enough players who would think that she was scum making a last-ditch fake claim that it wouldn't save her.

It doesn't look like Hot Chocolate has any intention of claiming, though.

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I'm pretty sure mine was 200. ._.

Sorry about that! GuyInFreezer has your bet quoted on the last page.

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None of those. Another one. ;)

Is she a roleblocker, or is she a role cop?

It can't be the bulletproof because most people take that as an instant scum claim, so it wouldn't disperse the wagon.

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Hot Chocolate not claiming is the wise move, then.

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iraonavp calling Hot Chocolate "they" when she's already stated a preferred pronoun really rubs me the wrong fucking way.

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iraonavp calling Hot Chocolate "they" when she's already stated a preferred pronoun really rubs me the wrong fucking way.

Now everyone is doing it.

Gonna spitball a bit.

What's the difference between the color groups for town?

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So is hot chocolate actually a newbie, or is she an alt? Does anybody know?

We will soon find out, for she will be here herself.

Hammer fell on page 63. Everyone lost.

I am looking forward to Nahdia's picks.

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Why not?

Hot Chocolate might have been trolling. They didn't take it well.

I can't imagine trying to verify all 22 votes for validity before posting a flip. That's insane.

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They didn't take it well.

To clarify, I mean the players didn't take it well.

Some of the reactions to Hot Chocolate's antics were amusing, but it's probably not worth reading all 63 pages.

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That's the one thing I never do when I mod (and probably should): Check votes.

That said, players generally catch any errors that pop up and I practicaly never miss a vote. (More oftem.I forget to delete/update stuff in the VC rather than miss a vote)

You should check the votes before flipping because it's a big enough mistake to make the extra effort worthwhile. Players don't necessarily catch mistakes in vote counts; I know I usually take them for granted unless I'm already doing my own record-keeping.

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Town 1-shot bulletproof isn't the biggest loss on Day 1 of a role madness.

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All three Masons were outed...?

RachMarie accidentally outed herself in the neighborhood, which led to Egg calling her out in the game thread. People had already suspected RachMarie at that point, so she came out as a mason and claimed with (I think it was) Klingoncelt, who also had some people suspect her. amalgam confirmed.

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Hrm... Who could it be.... Klingon? Creature?

I doubt that it's Klingoncelt. She'd have two confirmed town voices directing her shot.

Is it one of the "vigilantes are negative utility" players? At this point, about half of the player list qualifies as lurkers.

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And by SK I mean Ascetic and Bulletproof Ninja.

Long live Fire Assassin.

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It's not fire. One guess down 40 to go.

That's too bad. It would have been perfect.

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If BlackStar was vigged, then the one person in the thread who called BlackStar suspicious at the end of the Day was probably responsible.

Fire Assassin was pretty obviously town, though. If he was vigged, that was a bad vig shot.

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Twelve pages in two and a half hours. Day 2 is going to be legit, friends.

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Boredom does strange things.

Citizen: long_island_medium
Masonry: amalgam, Klingoncelt, RachMarie
Motion Detector: Shaziro
Neapolitan: iraonavp
Neighborhood 1: Fire Assassin, MathBlade, Shaziro

Junk claims weren't included.

iraonavp investigated Shaziro (not vanilla).

why

Cookie Bakers seems to imply being some form of alignment investigative (i.e., cop). Accountant claimed to have been blocked.

Okay. This game makes me want to tear my hair out,

and I'm not even playing

. VA-11 Hall-A blatantly ignoring Cookie Bakers's push on CCC, which is barely short of outright claiming a guilty result, to push a vanity wagon on Bacde bugs me a lot. Everyone else pushing iraonavp at least has a legitimate excuse to do so.

Page 71 of 77. Oh, boy.

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Page 78.

I quit.

Cookie Bakers should just claim cop. Anyone who is skimming the game already knows it. If they weren't paying attention, Lapsa said it outright.

Go serial killer.

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To be fair, DrippingGoofball also claimed citizen; I just didn't include it because her claims ought to be taken with large grains of salt. long_island_medium may or may not be an actual citizen, but that claim was the only one left.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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It took 79 pages for someone to request replacement.

This is impressive.

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Oh, look, DrippingGoofball was not a citizen. What a surprise. long_island_medium is town, but I can definitely see that slot not being a citizen. The current vote count is an atrocity for the sheer number of vanity wagons on it.

"Cop": Cookie Bakers
Citizen: serrapaladin
1-shot Neapolitan: Varsoon

Still think CCC is town but Cookie seems absolutely positive they're mafia as if they're softing something.

> doesn't vote CCC
> sadness

(Will quote this post and any others on my hydra tomorrow. Phone posting.)

Intentionally posting out of hydra is bad.

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that
makes sense
if it takes 3 days to fill 79 pages :|

The pace simply adds to the sense of how impressive that replacement request was.

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Wait, all 3 VT claims were fake??

I'm only inferring based on serrapaladin's claim. It's possible that long_island_medium's claim was real and serrapaladin is a belated fake.

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maybe
just asking if dgb flips town, what was the point of this gambit

"Paraphrasing a role PM takes seconds, fabricating a good fakeclaim takes an eternity."

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Spoiler: Boem_u_dusi

Egg and TownBlock being scum really explains their weird actions on Days 1 and 2, respectively.

I'm not that strong PR so I can soak up a NK, no biggie.

Actually, the reason a bunch of people dislike watchers is that they're too strong.

I just wanted to live longer to make the post epic scumputer analysis in the whole history of Mafia

This is legit, by the way.

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If Day 2 does not end before page 125, town deserves every ounce of disappointment that it is going to receive.

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Day 2 is a lesson on how to not craft your claim, real or fake.

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Doing vote counts by hand gets such a bad rap, and I don't understand why. :(

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I am mostly kidding, BTW. Doing them by hand in a reasonably-sized game is quite enjoyable, though.

Oh shite does that mean the hammerer (seraphim) is part of that team? Thought he was town >.>

Not necessarily. Seraphim's progression to hammer seemed quite natural, but it's not beyond him to fake that sort of thing well.

I'd guess that the people off-wagon who were online at the time are with DrippingGoofball, but I'm too lazy to check right now.

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I'm always scared when I do a lynch that someone unvoted or changed their vote somewhere and I missed it
With auto you wouldn't have that problem at least

Likewise. This is why I always check all of the votes on the lynching wagon individually before posting a flip (and even then double-checking the role distribution and role PM).

Better safe than sorry.

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the I haven't been keeping up with this montrocity.

Apparently, neither is the vigilante.

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She

's likely going to kill a JoaT.

Here are the people who have indicated "She" as the preferred pronoun:

Bellaphant
boring
DrippingGoofball
Elyse
Foxbird
hebichan
Klingoncelt
RachMarie
Skybird

Leaving out the people who are claimed masons and other things, that leaves:

Bellaphant
boring
Elyse
Foxbird
hebichan
Skybird

My bet is on boring, actually.

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Ouch. I would be pretty hurt to replace into a game just to be killed off. So is Comparing Reality the one taking the bullet?

It might be an act of mercy, really. Reading 105 pages in one go seems like it'd be a pain; reading it in multiple sittings was already aggravating.

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Parama dying is a tragedy. His posts were the bright spots of the game thread.

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omg a 20 page dead thread are you serious

There are 10+ spectators in here. What did you expect?

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A few other things that are bugging me is the fact that Bellaphant and Aeronaut still haven't posted, or barely at all (just checked the Activity Overview: neither have posted at all). I'm thinking I should give both one final PM and, if they don't respond/play/DO SOMETHING I'm just gonna replace them. No offense, but if you join my game I'd like you to, you know, actually post and play. Is it that much of an asshole position to take to want players in your game to actually play? I don't want to come off like an asshole but it's already Day 3 and some players haven't even posted yet. If I'm not being reasonable or fair someone please show me the light.

Also, I'm still upset with Comparing Realities getting NK'd before even having a chance to post. I couldn't do anything about it without influencing the game. Is there any kind of rule addendum that can be put in place for future games? I just feel like it was a dick move to kill off a player replacing in before he or she could even post, because now I'M the one feeling guilty about it. I mean, you've got a player replacing out and someone asks to replace in, and wants to play, yet they get killed off. It just irks me. It's bothering me probably more than the player who got NK'd. Again, I want people here to check my position to see if it's reasonable or not.

Lastly, from this point on, I'm planning to give each and every player in my games a complementary PT thread to help keep track of the game. I figure if they have a PT to solidify their thoughts it will translate into posting less in the game thread BUT making the quality of those posts go up a bit. I think it's a good idea and can't really hurt anything.

(1) It's not unreasonable to want players who sign up for your games to play them. Some moderators require that

all

players send a Night action, even if they do not have one, to confirm their interest in continuing to play for the following Day. Others have a policy of prodding all players who had not posted within 24-48 hours of the Night phase starting and requiring a response by the end of Night, as well. I'm fairly sure that Aeronaut and Bellaphant have been overwhelmed by the pace of the game and the relatively short Days, though.

(2) No. That's a risk that the replacing player takes when they accept a slot during the Night. Personally, I'm a little glad whenever this happens to me because it means that I don't have to catch up, but I can see how this is a waste of potential replacements. There's not much a moderator can do about this, unfortunately.

(3) If players need their own places to keep notes, they can ask you for a private topic (make it known if it's something you're willing to do) or use Notepad. The people who do this are in the minority if previous Mafia Discussion threads on note-taking are any indication.

Next game and beyond I'll include in the ruleset that PRs cannot target themselves. I assumed it was general knowledge that they can't do that (if Docs could target themselves that'd be broken).

You can do this in role PMs. If someone later tries to fake a claim of a self-protecting doctor, then that person can have all of the salt in the seven seas.

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Egg and TownBlock cross-voting would raise questions that neither want being asked. I'm more surprised that they haven't dealt with each other during the Night yet.

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mhsmith0 has purchased MafiaScum for $1 and IP-banned Parama

You could have bribed your local friendly moderator for less.

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Is LAMISS a thing yet?

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an 81-player zero escape-themed game with wacky mechanics resulting in tons of deaths would be fantastic

Spoiler: Zero Time Dilemma

Day 1: Moderator flips coin. Players collectively guess. If correct, end game with Happily Ever After. If incorrect, proceed to Ambidex Game, SHIFT Edition.

Mod note: Game is rigged.