Wake's Massive Role Madness - Game Over

[Cookie Bakers]

My goal in this game is to get lynched day 1.
Can we make my goals a reality?

I would certainly oblige that if you wanted.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

Oh great I join role madness and I pull the token vanilla. Just great.

We used our daycop. DGB rolled Cassandra.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: Fire Assassin

Why not grant Fire his wish?

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: Parama

I should have played on an alt with an obnoxious name with umlauts and stuff.

Regretting you didn't ask me to hydra first? I feel so loved.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

Day 1 starts now.

I'll be setting the automatic counter to start working from this post onward. Getting this set up at the moment. In order for your vote to count it must be the exact username. Doesn't seem to automatically post the VCs, but it DOES count them efficiently.

Official Vote Count 1.01

Parama

(7): PeregrineV, iraonavp, Creature, DrippingGoofball, TownBlock, Hot Chocolate, Varsoon

Fire Assassin

(2): hebichan, Cookie Bakers

Varsoon

(1): Parama

Blanche

(1): CCC

Not Voting

(31): MathBlade, shos, Almost50, RachMarie, Accountant, Skybird, Foxbird, Fire Assassin, Klingoncelt, BlackStar, Seraphim, VA-11 Hall-A, Aeronaut, amalgam, Lapsa, Bacde, Shaziro, Egg, Narna, serrapaladin, Boem_u_dusi, boring, Elitism, Blanche, long_island_medium, Bellaphant, AlpacaAlpaca, Skelda, Elyse, BBmolla, Drixx

With 42 alive, it takes 22 to lynch.

Deadline

: (expired on 2016-08-26 19:30:00)

That VC has to be off.

@iraonvp, Cassandra is a role that knows all the scumfucks. It was just pregame trolling.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

Let's run this slot up to 16 votes

~T

Seems good to me, get some pressure on something that isn't the dumb parama wagon.

VOTE: VA-11 Hall-A

Why is this better than Parama?

ira is in this game

fuck another "aligned" filled game

VOTE: RachMarie

idk about everyone else but I'm voting scum

also

would be willing to PL ira for saying aligned...we have enough players we can afford one PL and it would make me soso happy plus he could be scum

but RachMarie is basically confscum at this point so I'll start there

Why?

VOTE: iraonvp

A vanilla claim that did not cc DGB?

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

Oh great I join role madness and I pull the token vanilla. Just great.

Oh great I join role madness and I pull the token vanilla. Just great.

Here like first page.

[Cookie Bakers]

Role madness yo. Multiple vanillas is unlikely.

[Cookie Bakers]

Which head made the post hopping on irao? (from cookie bakers)
-Dwlee

I did. Shiro is waking up.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

also titus signs all their posts so it was shiro.

I forgot lol. Every post was me.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

the iraon shenanigans were fun but now it's time to lynch the real scum imo

Right, which is why I instead voted Cookie Bakers.

Note how she jumps onto iroanavp for the reasoning "there can't be two vanilla town in a game" but doesn't consider DGB, or that it's a 42 person game
They also didn't consider that iroanavp didn't see the initial claim (which I believe regardless of his alignment) and used that as reasoning while ignoring the other points on him

-Dunn

Dgb is obvtown. It's it could be 45678875543 role madness. By it's nature, role madness strongly suggests only one vt.

I don't believe iraonvp because the stance is very unlikely given his posts.

Yeah, iron's scum. The wagon on us is gross.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

Town!Titus knows that site meta is all about wagoning and lynching weaker players day 1, no way she is doing this as town
Dwlee

Town Dwlee knows I hate that meta from cyberpunk.

[Cookie Bakers]

tbh i have no clue what role madness entails, the mod pmed me and i was bored so i /in'd without reading the setup

i guess i should read the op at some point

p-edit: drixx, because i am already voting for someone i think is scummier. i thought that was clear

Role madness = most everyone is a PR. That's the very definition.

[Cookie Bakers]

the iraon shenanigans were fun but now it's time to lynch the real scum imo

Right, which is why I instead voted Cookie Bakers.

Note how she jumps onto iroanavp for the reasoning "there can't be two vanilla town in a game" but doesn't consider DGB, or that it's a 42 person game
They also didn't consider that iroanavp didn't see the initial claim (which I believe regardless of his alignment) and used that as reasoning while ignoring the other points on him

-Dunn

Dgb is obvtown. It's it could be 45678875543 role madness. By it's nature, role madness strongly suggests only one vt.

I don't believe iraonvp because the stance is very unlikely given his posts.

Yeah, iron's scum. The wagon on us is gross.

~Titus

DGB has already deviated significantly from every game I've played with her when she was town, which means now you need to point out why she's supposedly "obvtown".

Dgb has played exactly like her town games to me. Particularly legends. Vt in a role madness is something to claim early.

Since when do you give early reads Drixx?

[Cookie Bakers]

Town!Titus knows that site meta is all about wagoning and lynching weaker players day 1, no way she is doing this as town
Dwlee

Town Dwlee knows I hate that meta from cyberpunk.

what meta from cyberpunk? we have skype messaged about this sort of site meta and how much you hate it
-Dwlee

Mentioned it in the cyberpunk pt. Figured you read it. But it was mostly abr being a dick.

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: CookieBakers

Good to see you Drixx

You missed my question. Why is Rach Marie scum?

[Cookie Bakers]

if the cookie wagon really takes off i'll gladly join it btw

Please do

Look at how Titus barely interacts with my posts


Btw I'm actually going to step back for a bit and let zach come back and... see what I've done

I do have some thoughts so far:

I think Parama is town
I think Iroanavp is town (yep)
I think Cookie Bakers is scum
Elyse is scummy from skimming their posts but I don't really remember

I disagree that boring is scum and would want to wait and see more content

Also not at all displeased to see a mini crusade of votes follow wherever I vote

-Dunn

There's like 42 fucking players. I literally cannot interact with everyone. Not going to happen.

Is there anything you think I missed?

[Cookie Bakers]

Town!Titus knows that site meta is all about wagoning and lynching weaker players day 1, no way she is doing this as town
Dwlee

Town Dwlee knows I hate that meta from cyberpunk.

what meta from cyberpunk? we have skype messaged about this sort of site meta and how much you hate it
-Dwlee

Mentioned it in the cyberpunk pt. Figured you read it. But it was mostly abr being a dick.

You mean the lynching new players meta? yea you talked about it in the cyberpunk pt. The way you worded that made me think you were throwing shade at me? But why were you so gungho about the irao lynch knowing this meta?
-Dwlee

Because I don't buy 2 vts in a role madness and DGB is town. Iraonvp being awkward means zilch to me. His claim means a lot.

[Cookie Bakers]

@dunn, I responded to you by stating why I made my vote. Your case was my vote was bad.

I suppose I should thank you for the vote chain. It does prove iraonvp is likely scum. Drixx also goes up. Elyse goes up because she's missed my request to explain RM scum twice now.

[Cookie Bakers]

fire, mind voting if you're going to pay lip service to the wagon tho?

I unfortunately can't support this day 1. I like both heads of the hydra too much to lynch them day 1 in any game.

this is dumb

@Titus
All of her posts are awkward. "Backing off" of a vote on someone because she didn't know who they were, subtly implying I could be scum by saying "hey Elyse weren't you scum last time?", using this emoji which someday I will write an article about how it's a scumtell, saying she has an ira game she can check on and not following through, 184 is pointless, voting ira because she doesn't think 2 VTs in a role madness game that's 42 players is possible.

Ooh ... we have someone actually evaluating things already. A few town points for Elyse.

Drixx is scum too now. Yup.

[Cookie Bakers]

there's so many players to keep track of, gosh, this is why i usually don't play large games

where is egg, i want to spam "hat" at them for 20 posts but they're not here yet

I use notepad and sometimes my whiteboard to help keep track of people.

VOTE: CookieBakers

Good to see you Drixx

Hi Elyse. Nice to see you again.

the iraon shenanigans were fun but now it's time to lynch the real scum imo

Right, which is why I instead voted Cookie Bakers.

Note how she jumps onto iroanavp for the reasoning "there can't be two vanilla town in a game" but doesn't consider DGB, or that it's a 42 person game
They also didn't consider that iroanavp didn't see the initial claim (which I believe regardless of his alignment) and used that as reasoning while ignoring the other points on him

-Dunn

Dgb is obvtown. It's it could be 45678875543 role madness. By it's nature, role madness strongly suggests only one vt.

I don't believe iraonvp because the stance is very unlikely given his posts.

Yeah, iron's scum. The wagon on us is gross.

~Titus

DGB has already deviated significantly from every game I've played with her when she was town, which means now you need to point out why she's supposedly "obvtown".

Dgb has played exactly like her town games to me. Particularly legends. Vt in a role madness is something to claim early.

Since when do you give early reads Drixx?

I agree that VT in a role madness game is a thing to claim. I disagree vehemently that DGB lines up with DGB as town in my experience.

And stop with the doubtcasting. I have universally refused, regardless of alignment, to give out early reads in the past. A wise friend told me to remember that quote about doing the same thing over and over again and expecting a new result, and something clicked. But you don't get to suggest that means I'm not genuine, because even people as stubborn as me can decide to change.

So instead of doubtcasting me, how 'bout you respond to my point with something that isn't a hand wave and an attempt to deflect?

You suddenly changing overnight because I asked would be awesome, but I don't think I am that cool.

[Cookie Bakers]

Drixx is scum too now. Yup.

Who isn't scum?

Dunn, you DGB for now.

[Cookie Bakers]

HECK YEAH I'M GAME FOR SOME HYDRA INFIGHTING

Stop it. Your spamming is fake and scum-aligned, there are too many posts as it is...

Totally scum.

You're going to have to deal with Parama. He's a hyper poster.

[Cookie Bakers]

Why is it unlikely for there to be two VT in a 42-player game, again? I realize it's called "role madness", but isn't every game at least 50% VT?

... why is it impossible to post anything in this game? It keeps sending me back to post review... hi CCC!

This is dumb town, and good lord just nightkill me if this is what passes for knowledge of role madness.

[Cookie Bakers]

Didn't this game have like 10 scum and 33 town?
I can't find any reference to this though.

I thought the distributions was public info.

Something like that yeah.

[Cookie Bakers]

fire, mind voting if you're going to pay lip service to the wagon tho?

I unfortunately can't support this day 1. I like both heads of the hydra too much to lynch them day 1 in any game.

this is dumb

@Titus
All of her posts are awkward. "Backing off" of a vote on someone because she didn't know who they were, subtly implying I could be scum by saying "hey Elyse weren't you scum last time?", using this emoji which someday I will write an article about how it's a scumtell, saying she has an ira game she can check on and not following through, 184 is pointless, voting ira because she doesn't think 2 VTs in a role madness game that's 42 players is possible.

Ooh ... we have someone actually evaluating things already. A few town points for Elyse.

Drixx is scum too now. Yup.

Ok Titus literally quoted my post about Rach scum and then said I missed it twice.

So now you're probably asking "why is this scummy, Elyse?" "She could have just missed it, Elyse."

well well well

She called Drixx scum for saying that I was town for actually evaluating things...so she should have looked to see what he was actually talking about before calling him scum for it.

She's not thinking critically.

DAMMIT LET ME POST

Yeah, like none of that is scummy.

[Cookie Bakers]

let's just state, for the record.

we are not lynching either dgb or iraon just for claiming VT

ok? ok.

That's the reason TO lynch them. It's a scumclaim.

[Cookie Bakers]

Like you don't claim vt in a role madness but to avoid being lynched.

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Role_Madness

[Cookie Bakers]

Zach and Dunn fight. If they got along, I would scum read them.

[Cookie Bakers]

IRAON IF YOU ARE VT THEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE VT WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS

This

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will grab my guns and exit stage left.

[Cookie Bakers]

IRAON IF YOU ARE VT THEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE VT WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS

Yes, obviously. But the mod has misclassified the game it looks like.

If you spam in all caps, it doesn't make you look any more town-aligned...

Yes, the mod misclassified the game and his reviewer(s) let him lie :/. [/sarcasm]

[Cookie Bakers]

IRAON IF YOU ARE VT THEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE VT WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS

This

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will grab my guns and exit stage left.

I don't think that's scummy.

He's asking the mod to confirm that VTs are possible. This is a ballsy move if he's scum fake claiming VT because what if the mod goes "no VTs"?

The mod cannot directly comment. It's a breach of ethics. Second, one vt is always ok in RM. It's just DGB.

[Cookie Bakers]

You claimed at l minus a billion, removed yourself from being an NK, missed the cc, and you're not being wagoned.

[Cookie Bakers]

Vt in a role madness is something to claim early.

Why? Surely that just helps scum find power roles? This doesn't make sense to me.

It's role madness. Sneeze and hit a pr.

Vt is neg utility until claimed power wise.

[Cookie Bakers]

Why the hell are there four votes on Dunn hydra and 6 on Parama? That's bad.

[Cookie Bakers]

i'm glad i've remained the biggest wagon tbh, but it's only because 5 of the 6 players voting me aren't here rn

Parama is continuing to take the awkward joke from RVS too far because he is scum-aligned.

But...look at this scum attacking p man.

[Cookie Bakers]

Nominate iraonavp for Title-Aligned

Not the title fairy thread

The fairies can move it. Ima get drunk and stop posting so Shiro can catch up.

[Cookie Bakers]

Pretty sure Cookie Bakers has a scum head.
Pretty sure its Titus.

Can't wait to hear from Shiro though.

Can a hydra's heads really have different alignments?

No.

In that case, if Cookie Bakers has one scum head, surely that means all heads are scum? Why single out just one?

It's a joke.

Fire has a hydra called My Other head is scum. It's a funny way of saying that head always feels scummy.

[Cookie Bakers]

Nominate iraonavp for Title-Aligned

Not the title fairy thread

The fairies can move it. Ima get drunk and stop posting so Shiro can catch up.

Ohhhh, can I join you?

Apple and vodka. We do silent drinks. Go gooooo.

[Cookie Bakers]

All of you stop talking and vote who I'm voting, I'm the IC

We're back-up IC. We turn into IC if the IC dies. We validate this claim.

Why? Just ... why?

You might actually just be town but a totally confused Drixx.

Given the mod most likely has a fucked up definition of role madness, my vote is stale but please actually show the brain that I know you have. I need to find one townie in this who I absolutely trust. Yet, even confirmed town is dumb.

UNVOTE:

[Cookie Bakers]

Fail. Can no one see my signature?

No.

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: cookie bakers

^^^ confirmed town

A lurker pops into a wagon on town and leaves.. You call them conftown like jeezus

[Cookie Bakers]

these read like someone terrified of standing out in any way or being the center of attention. scum want to blend in

chicks do that kind of stuff, you know.
shitty reasoning for a scumread and perhaps an attempt to derail iron's wagon

Wake having a fucked up definition of role madness is more likely. As annoying as Long Island medium is, I doubt they decide to claim scum immediately.

[Cookie Bakers]

Vt in a role madness is something to claim early.

????????
why

the most useful thing you can do as VT is draw a NK to yourself instead of a PR

Answered like 10 times already

Vt is beg utility in role madness

[Cookie Bakers]

boring is really scum though.
ira might just be that bad.
boring sounds like they're trying to walk on eggshells with every post they make. it's even worse than what ira's doing.
59 - "am i doing this right"
142 - "ok, just to clear things up"
149 - "is he always this weird?"
these read like someone terrified of standing out in any way or being the center of attention. scum want to blend in. town want to stand out.

188 - this is just like regurgitating things other players have already said, but stating it like a new, fresh fact. it actually bothers me the most and i can't quite put a finger on exactly what quality bothers me so, but. it really does, i prob would've ignored boring otherwise. it's like. beyond forced, i guess. jumping in on a forming wagon and acting like they have their own reason for it, but it's nothing that new so they can just slip in under the radar and ride it out. something like that. i dunno. i hate it. i despise this post with all my being.

VOTE: boringVOTE:

the iraon shenanigans were fun but now it's time to lynch the real scum imo

Boring is a noob.

You're trying to look Scummy, aren't you?

Are you one of Jester, Judas, or Saulus?

That's not even on this game as normal and not bastard.

Please 1 smart person. Just one. Please don't let my role be Antitown because we can trust no one.

[Cookie Bakers]

Vt in a role madness is something to claim early.

????????
why

the most useful thing you can do as VT is draw a NK to yourself instead of a PR

In a perfect world sure. Just to give you a counterpoint, consider the following: A vanilla cop would get a "vanilla" result on a Citizen and given the normal expectations of role madness that result would have a much greater chance of being a goon or SK without additional ability, as per the misc. rules. In that sense, being a Citizen in this game could be considered roughly analagous to being a miller.

All of you stop talking and vote who I'm voting, I'm the IC

We're back-up IC. We turn into IC if the IC dies. We validate this claim.

Why? Just ... why?

You might actually just be town but a totally confused Drixx.

Given the mod most likely has a fucked up definition of role madness, my vote is stale but please actually show the brain that I know you have. I need to find one townie in this who I absolutely trust. Yet, even confirmed town is dumb.

UNVOTE:

I'm obvtowning for a reason. Go with it.

I'm also going to go sleep because pain meds are kicking in so it's either go or wake up with the impression of my keyboard in my face. Questions for your thought while I sleep:

1.) DGB obviously sees the logic of Citizen being potentially harmful in combo with vanilla cop. Genuine claim or gambit? Why?

2.) Manhattan came in late and made a show of claiming to be "THE" citizen. Genuine or fake?

1) genuine claim. Claimed immediately consistent with neg utility

2) Manhattan I just want to throw into the sound so I don't have to solve their drivel. They are incoherent.

3) why not ask about ironavp?

[Cookie Bakers]

It's it could be 45678875543 role madness. By it's nature, role madness strongly suggests only one vt.

~Titus

This is a Wake game. You remember his games at USMB?

There could be 13 VTs just because.

Or 1 VT and 12 Chicken Throwing Hippies.

He didn't lie to us like he already has. I am like this close to subbing out because I cannot find a single slot I respect.

[Cookie Bakers]

ironavp is either being honest or is playing badly enough as scum that he'll be caught. Frankly not even worried about that L-forever claim. Why expend energy on it when the other two are actually interesting and worth sorting?

DGB is already sorted to me. Long Island is incomprehensible. They cannot be sorted no matter how much I drink.

[Cookie Bakers]

It's it could be 45678875543 role madness. By it's nature, role madness strongly suggests only one vt.

~Titus

This is a Wake game. You remember his games at USMB?

There could be 13 VTs just because.

Or 1 VT and 12 Chicken Throwing Hippies.

He didn't lie to us like he already has. I am like this close to subbing out because I cannot find a single slot I respect.

Wow. I will stop staying up even later to engage on good faith then.

I didn't mean that personally. I mean your reads are shit. I need to find one townie with good reads so I can talk to them and trust them. If I have no confidence in town, I should quit. I need something to convince me this was not a mistake. Lying Mods and shitty wagons don't do that. Like every fucking large wagon has a flaw.

[Cookie Bakers]

Cookie's AtE is scumclaim

I am sick and tired of obvtown tunnelling me for 3000 fucking pages and confbiasing everything I do. In a 42 player game, I am not dealing with that toxic environment and I refuse to put anyone else through it. If it's not obvtown, it's scum loading up on personal attacks.

You call that AtE. Sorry. Try walking a mile in my shoes where every single D1 you're the punching bag. I hate d1. If I get lynched, we're fucked. So try to actually fucking scumhunt so I can do my job. Ty.

[Cookie Bakers]

It's it could be 45678875543 role madness. By it's nature, role madness strongly suggests only one vt.

~Titus

This is a Wake game. You remember his games at USMB?

There could be 13 VTs just because.

Or 1 VT and 12 Chicken Throwing Hippies.

He didn't lie to us like he already has. I am like this close to subbing out because I cannot find a single slot I respect.

Wow. I will stop staying up even later to engage on good faith then.

I didn't mean that personally. I mean your reads are shit. I need to find one townie with good reads so I can talk to them and trust them. If I have no confidence in town, I should quit. I need something to convince me this was not a mistake. Lying Mods and shitty wagons don't do that. Like every fucking large wagon has a flaw.

Presuppose, as a thought experiment, a world where DGB drew Mafia Goon and noticed the same things that I did in the setup info (VTs have a special name and are referred to in the plural). You don't believe DGB is good enough to make that play? I do, and I see differences from DGB I've played with before.

Now ... DGB as a habit gives a small sample size of posts and short posts. Let's see some more signal before we butt heads over whether DGB is one thing or the other because there's nowhere near enough to be sure.

We can wait and see but DGB is like my biggest townread, mainly because protown and they haven't annoyed me yet.

[Cookie Bakers]

He didn't lie to us like he already has.

What do you think is a lie?

Role madness. If there's more than one citizen, role madness is a lie.

[Cookie Bakers]

He didn't lie to us like he already has.

What do you think is a lie?

Role madness. If there's more than one citizen, role madness is a lie.

I'm sorry but the Mafia Scum definition of Role_Madness doesn't agree with your assertion. I see that you're frustrated, but attacking the mod unfairly won't help. It will just make people write off what you have to say later since what you are claiming doesn't line up with the site's wiki definition of what Role Madness means and you are literally claiming the mod lied to us when that simply isn't the case.

Now whether it

should

be the case is a discussion for elsewhere and elsewhen. For now ... just let it slide off your back.

Really I gotta sleep though. Wasn't kidding about keyboard imprint; been there and done that and they hurt.

Yeah, disagree there. By the literal words, no. By every single application I recall and the last paragraph, yes. I am already annoyed I feel mislead and then to have the mod misleading us as a reason I am allegedly scummy or have to be lynched, well can we say space dandy redux. All that's missing is the lack of questions.

Good night. I need sleep to. I may be around tomorrow or not. I seriously detest d1.

[Cookie Bakers]

Titus is scum choochoo lynch please
She is completely ignoring my case
-Dwlee

Yes because your case is pretty stupid, you are missing the context of the situation. It is one thing to dislike the site meta of driving up new player and another to vote a person you geniunly think is scum because they claimed something you find impossible to be. Like dwee are you for real mate?

~Shiro

[Cookie Bakers]

IRAON IF YOU ARE VT THEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE VT WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS

This

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will grab my guns and exit stage left.

I don't think that's scummy.

He's asking the mod to confirm that VTs are possible. This is a ballsy move if he's scum fake claiming VT because what if the mod goes "no VTs"?

Are you listening to yourself ? The mod is most defenitly obliged to answer: "I cannot answer that" It is a fishy as hell question

[Cookie Bakers]

Pretty sure Cookie Bakers has a scum head.
Pretty sure its Titus.

Can't wait to hear from Shiro though.

Can a hydra's heads really have different alignments?

No.

In that case, if Cookie Bakers has one scum head, surely that means all heads are scum? Why single out just one?

It's a joke.

Fire has a hydra called My Other head is scum. It's a funny way of saying that head always feels scummy.

...you know, you

are[/i[ looking pretty scummy. You've tries to argue that it makes sense for a VT to claim early, before day one even starts, in a role madness game (which just looks like encouraging bad strategy to me). Now someone suggests that you're scum, I query it, and you're trying to brush it off as a joke.

None of this is in any way definitive, but I think it's enough for a vote.

VOTE: Cookie Bakers

Uhhm ? You are missing the whole point of it being a joke. Titus isnt brushing off the read being a joke but the fact he called me town and her scum which is a reference to what Titus mention. I am like how can you not get that? This is probably the worst of the votes.

[Cookie Bakers]

Pretty sure Cookie Bakers has a scum head.
Pretty sure its Titus.

Can't wait to hear from Shiro though.

Can a hydra's heads really have different alignments?

No.

In that case, if Cookie Bakers has one scum head, surely that means all heads are scum? Why single out just one?

It's a joke.

Fire has a hydra called My Other head is scum. It's a funny way of saying that head always feels scummy.

...you know, you

are[/i[ looking pretty scummy. You've tries to argue that it makes sense for a VT to claim early, before day one even starts, in a role madness game (which just looks like encouraging bad strategy to me). Now someone suggests that you're scum, I query it, and you're trying to brush it off as a joke.

None of this is in any way definitive, but I think it's enough for a vote.

VOTE: Cookie Bakers

i can buy this

vote: cookie bakers

i'm not even being facetious

Nope, this is even worse, it takes it to a whole new level, It is one hting to make a horrle reasoning of

"She explained the joke because I legititimatly asked if it is possible for a hydra to have multiple alignments thus must be scum" to actually reading that and saying "Yea...seems legit"

[Cookie Bakers]

If we assume that there is only one VT, then two of {DGN, Iraonavp, long_island_medium} must be scum. Cookie Bakers is still suspicious, but has nowhere near two-thirds odds of scummishness.

So.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

What even is this ? Do you actually think 2 scum decided to come out and counterclaim 1 VT for shit and gigles ? What is this reasonign ?

[Cookie Bakers]

CCC is obvious town dude, don't even try.

I know,I fugured as much not scum would say that stuff but I am just baffled

~Shiro

[Cookie Bakers]

im going to vote cookie until one of us is dead

[Cookie Bakers]

Picking this up

Titus is scum choochoo lynch please
She is completely ignoring my case
-Dwlee

Yes because your case is pretty stupid, you are missing the context of the situation. It is one thing to dislike the site meta of driving up new player and another to vote a person you geniunly think is scum because they claimed something you find impossible to be. Like dwee are you for real mate?

~Shiro

The VT reason was stupid, and everyone said that
Titus didnt even express doubt on the wagon.
-Dwlee

Of course she didnt since she believed he done goofed and claimed VT when she thought the game had only one, like what kind of doubt did you expect mate?

@Almost

Mate, come on please. Fire made a joke. It was pretty damn obvious

~Shiro

Hey Shiro, tell me something only town!Shiro would tell me.

Uuuuhmn

Have a gif



~Shiro


P.edit

@Almost


Aaaaawwww I am happy someone considers me a threat enough regardless of alignment to be killed before day 3


Unless you mean it mostly cause of Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

Uuuuhmn

Have a gif

Scum!Shiro would give me a gif too.

I don't trust you Shiro.
Ohh btw I watched No Game No Life it was pretty decent, kind of upset they ended it so early without resolving everything.

You need to read the LN for the rest, I doubt they will ever make a 2nd season ;~;

And true Shiro gives gif all around alignment be damned

~Shiro

[Cookie Bakers]

I will probably iso Hot choco sometime today to see what the fuss is about, unless someone has any summary for it.

[Cookie Bakers]

@Elyse

Except you will find that no I am not scum


Btw accountant, I am uhm I am seeeing a lack oof you getting confirmed as IC here, what gives ? Lying in hopes to push us ?
~Shiro

[Cookie Bakers]

accountant was fooling around too

Bs he was clearly trying to get me lynched by using it.

[Cookie Bakers]

I'm still in RVS

this


I uh...want to start reading but...

.every breath I take

gets one more page in the thread..... >_>

I'll be watching you
Every breath you take
and every move you make

Couldn't resist throwing a pop reference.

Like posts like this are fucking terrible. Don't do this. It's not funny and is actually anti-town in a game this large on D1.

Well someone doesn't know how to have fun.

P edit

What's up with my name there Dgb >:U

Btw yume is a ghost.

~Shiro

[Cookie Bakers]

I assumed only one VT because this is a role madness game

Yet you voted us for making the same assumption and voting Ira for it......

Honourable mention to long Island for doing the same.

[Cookie Bakers]

CCC, what is that train of thought?

Train of thought:

- Role madness implies maximum one Vanilla Townie
- Three people, under no particular pressure in two cases and under threat of an early-stage RVS wagon in the third, claimed VT.
- This implies that two of them are lying.
- Town, when under little to no threat, has no reason to lie (and I can't quite figure out why they'd roleclaim at all, in fact)
- Scum have every reason to lie
- Since it was implied that two of them are lying, I therefore conclude that the two liars are scum
- I have no idea which two are the liars, so I vote for one of the VT claimants. This gives me a two-thirds chance of voting for scum.

But you voted us and agreed with other for voting Ira for making the sane role madness assumption

[Cookie Bakers]

@Narna

What do you mean?

[Cookie Bakers]

I'd not mind, voting Cookie Bakers yet agreeing with them looks really bad.

VOTE: CCC

That not even the case.

Initially he voted me for voting Ira for the exact same reason he suddenly decided to vote Dgb


@Choco

That post though, for some reason it sounds adorable.
~Shiro

[Cookie Bakers]

So, if known lurkers are being null-read for lurking (I'm assuming), that's MathBlade, Skybird, Bacde, Seraphim, AlpacaAlpaca.
Egg is on V/LA and Yume is in amalgam.
... I'm okay with throwing creature into the suspicious lurker list. He's posted 9 one-liners. Two were naked votes (three if the words "choo choo" aren't enough to make it not-naked). Though, I'd rather they just contribute more[substance] than have to vote them for lurking.
p-edit: 10 posts.

And Shiro?

I agree with Mathblade and Creature

In my experience, Skkybird, Bacde, Seraphim and Alpaca tend to post in spurts.

Yup and Shiro, I am part of the Cookie Bakers

~Shiro

[Cookie Bakers]

@Narna

What do you mean?

I like lynching contradictions.

VOTE: CCC Well stop trying to outguess the mod then ccc.

Hot Chocolate nooo.

I am just baffled, it is so bad I doubt scum would do it :/

@Almost

But mate many wars were waged by geniuses.

[Cookie Bakers]

accountant was fooling around too

Bs he was clearly trying to get me lynched by using it.

Do you have any real reads?

-Dunn

I really wanna scumread ccc and long Island medium but I find them too horrible to believe.

I don't trust accountant

I am iffy on choco too much victim playing and I have seen that in the past from scum (in fact it tricked me once to think.newbie town)

I think Titus scumreads Drixx as well.


Elyse seems like stubborn town

I like narna

Iffy on dwee but I have seen him death tunnel as town day 1 in a similar manner

I like you as town as well

That on the top of my head

~Shiro

[Cookie Bakers]

Titus wants to vote ccc

[Cookie Bakers]

Not asking me my opinion is so insulting. Do you have something against me now that you found out that I'm a GIRL? I heard mafiascum.net was a

community

, and a safe haven for people of all walks of life! I came here excited for friendship and you guys have been nothing but AWFUL to me. I am trying SO HARD to be friends and I thought this game was so

perfect

for it! Instead I am greeted with rudeness and sexism! I am so tired of being disrespected! All of you should be ashamed of yourselves!

I <3 U

XD

See I am going to give you a tip, you need more gifs, cute anime gifs. They get everyone, everytime :p

[Cookie Bakers]

I'm cool with lynching the Chocolate slot now. I'd still rather lynch ccc and pray she gets vigged, but she's proven herself useless.

Not asking me my opinion is so insulting. Do you have something against me now that you found out that I'm a GIRL? I heard mafiascum.net was a

community

, and a safe haven for people of all walks of life! I came here excited for friendship and you guys have been nothing but AWFUL to me. I am trying SO HARD to be friends and I thought this game was so

perfect

for it! Instead I am greeted with rudeness and sexism! I am so tired of being disrespected! All of you should be ashamed of yourselves!

I <3 U

XD

See I am going to give you a tip, you need more gifs, cute anime gifs. They get everyone, everytime :p

Bonus points for Lolis

BAM

[Cookie Bakers]

OH you're just scum-aligned

Ira alt confirmed

P-edit

adorable beyond words?

stop

stop stop stop

Gotta agree with Elyse here, not enough anime gifs to be adorable beyond words.

[Cookie Bakers]

Guys I think we should all chill here

Choco seems like a pretty cool person.

@Boem_u_dusi

Wtf? Screw that shit, 21/10 needs more anime gifs.

[Cookie Bakers]

Titus posts:

Spoiler:

Role madness yo. Multiple vanillas is unlikely.

the iraon shenanigans were fun but now it's time to lynch the real scum imo

Right, which is why I instead voted Cookie Bakers.

Note how she jumps onto iroanavp for the reasoning "there can't be two vanilla town in a game" but doesn't consider DGB, or that it's a 42 person game
They also didn't consider that iroanavp didn't see the initial claim (which I believe regardless of his alignment) and used that as reasoning while ignoring the other points on him

-Dunn

Dgb is obvtown. It's it could be 45678875543 role madness. By it's nature, role madness strongly suggests only one vt.

I don't believe iraonvp because the stance is very unlikely given his posts.

Yeah, iron's scum. The wagon on us is gross.

~Titus

tbh i have no clue what role madness entails, the mod pmed me and i was bored so i /in'd without reading the setup

i guess i should read the op at some point

p-edit: drixx, because i am already voting for someone i think is scummier. i thought that was clear

Role madness = most everyone is a PR. That's the very definition.

the iraon shenanigans were fun but now it's time to lynch the real scum imo

Right, which is why I instead voted Cookie Bakers.

Note how she jumps onto iroanavp for the reasoning "there can't be two vanilla town in a game" but doesn't consider DGB, or that it's a 42 person game
They also didn't consider that iroanavp didn't see the initial claim (which I believe regardless of his alignment) and used that as reasoning while ignoring the other points on him

-Dunn

Dgb is obvtown. It's it could be 45678875543 role madness. By it's nature, role madness strongly suggests only one vt.

I don't believe iraonvp because the stance is very unlikely given his posts.

Yeah, iron's scum. The wagon on us is gross.

~Titus

DGB has already deviated significantly from every game I've played with her when she was town, which means now you need to point out why she's supposedly "obvtown".

Dgb has played exactly like her town games to me. Particularly legends. Vt in a role madness is something to claim early.

Since when do you give early reads Drixx?

Town!Titus knows that site meta is all about wagoning and lynching weaker players day 1, no way she is doing this as town
Dwlee

Town Dwlee knows I hate that meta from cyberpunk.

what meta from cyberpunk? we have skype messaged about this sort of site meta and how much you hate it
-Dwlee

Mentioned it in the cyberpunk pt. Figured you read it. But it was mostly abr being a dick.

You mean the lynching new players meta? yea you talked about it in the cyberpunk pt. The way you worded that made me think you were throwing shade at me? But why were you so gungho about the irao lynch knowing this meta?
-Dwlee

Because I don't buy 2 vts in a role madness and DGB is town. Iraonvp being awkward means zilch to me. His claim means a lot.

IRAON IF YOU ARE VT THEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE VT WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS

This

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will grab my guns and exit stage left.

You claimed at l minus a billion, removed yourself from being an NK, missed the cc, and you're not being wagoned.

Vt in a role madness is something to claim early.

Why? Surely that just helps scum find power roles? This doesn't make sense to me.

It's role madness. Sneeze and hit a pr.

Vt is neg utility until claimed power wise.

@CCC
Except there was no deflection as you can see here. This was a clear stance from her part and she was answering why she believed said stuff .The general scumminess you are refering was the fact that she voted Ira on the bases of what you voted DGB on later. Which was part of your resonig Also Titus never passed off Fire scumread as a joke MERELY the fact of the actual joke that was that I am town while she isnt(which is impossible because same slot) Where exactly did you see the deflection.

[Cookie Bakers]

Oh I made the connection. I'm dumb

Almost near townslip.

[Cookie Bakers]

Mathblade is really lurking.

Pointing out the vanity wagons:

Parama (1):

shos

Accountant (1):

Fire Assassin

iraonavp (1):

Shaziro

VA-11 Hall-A (1):

Klingoncelt

Varsoon (1):

Almost50

TownBlock (1):

VA-11 Hall-A

Math and I were hanging out IRL. She was keeping me sane. Their lurking is NAI.

[Cookie Bakers]

Was kinda hoping to work with Drixx but they aren't here so I sm going to vote with DGB.

VOTE: HC

As a hydra, we want HC or CCC flipped.

[Cookie Bakers]

I give up trying to read the game. If no one is going to give a shit until we are kneedeep in green on D10, whatever.

Vote: Hot Chocolate

My gut says scum, my brain says town. My booze says fuck it.

Documenting this.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

Was kinda hoping to work with Drixx but they aren't here so I sm going to vote with DGB.

VOTE: HC

As a hydra, we want HC or CCC flipped.

Why CCC?

-Dunn

Voting with us for the reasons they agreed with us.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

*Voting with us means voting for us

Autocorrect

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: Hot Chocolate

[Cookie Bakers]

@Zach, Can we not do that? There are enough self-righteous dicks. We don't need people trying to piss each other off.

[Cookie Bakers]

*Voting with us means voting for us

Autocorrect

I'm still not understanding why you are scumreading CCC. Want to talk about it in more detail, or were you fine with the HC lynch?

-Dunn

We are fine with HC or CCC like I said before.

CCC agreed with my one VT analysis.
He said the same analysis is scummy.
Thus, he's scum.

[Cookie Bakers]

Me neither but I agreed to hydra because I cannot interrogate 42 players. Won't happen. I also am actively avoiding bullshit with accountant at this point.

I haven't even read. Just going off the highlights of what Shiro told me.

[Cookie Bakers]

whta probability stuff am i doing

i'm just saying, i have seen literally zero reasons as to why HC s town, just people saying they are

Right and these people are scum

Out of your scumreads, who do you think is the hardest to lynch?

[Cookie Bakers]

whta probability stuff am i doing

i'm just saying, i have seen literally zero reasons as to why HC s town, just people saying they are

Right and these people are scum

Out of your scumreads, who do you think is the hardest to lynch?

long island medium

Okie dokie. I get that.

Who all is on the list?

[Cookie Bakers]

I know I'm just the token vanilla but I'm pretty sure I'll be NK'd because I am nailing all the scum.

I'd be grateful if I were doc-protected so that I can continue mowing scum for at least 2-3 days.

I'm going to go ahead and precommit to never vote someone you're voting ever unless and until one of your scumreads actually flips scum

this sort of cocky ass attitude never works out

But faking innocent child and tunneling a slot while ignoring everything else is the pride of humbleness right?

[Cookie Bakers]

Ok, Accountant is scum.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

Hot Chocolate is obviously lying about being a new player, and the personality is a sham!

Do you have anything to back this up

Yes, they clearly know the site meta well enough about wagons and the setup, they implied that they played offsite but they weren't telling anyone. Probably they are an alt of a player on this site though.

okay so they're an alt who wants to protect their identity by pretending to be new

that's kinda the point of an alt yeah

The point of an alt is not to lie about one's skill level but to avoid the people who attack solely based on playstyle.

[Cookie Bakers]

Hi, I thought I'd switched my vote to HC. If it isn't hammer, I'll do that now. I think Iraon is trouble waiting to happen and potentially scum, but I'm more interested in HC atm. Sorry for my absence, Pokemon Go trip down to Atlanta with buds.

It's not hammer.

[Cookie Bakers]

Hot Chocolate is obviously lying about being a new player, and the personality is a sham!

Do you have anything to back this up

Yes, they clearly know the site meta well enough about wagons and the setup, they implied that they played offsite but they weren't telling anyone. Probably they are an alt of a player on this site though.

okay so they're an alt who wants to protect their identity by pretending to be new

that's kinda the point of an alt yeah

The point of an alt is not to lie about one's skill level but to avoid the people who attack solely based on playstyle.

You're missing the point completely.

- Zach

Ok, tell me the point.

[Cookie Bakers]

Hot Chocolate is obviously lying about being a new player, and the personality is a sham!

Do you have anything to back this up

Yes, they clearly know the site meta well enough about wagons and the setup, they implied that they played offsite but they weren't telling anyone. Probably they are an alt of a player on this site though.

okay so they're an alt who wants to protect their identity by pretending to be new

that's kinda the point of an alt yeah

The point of an alt is not to lie about one's skill level but to avoid the people who attack solely based on playstyle.

i mean that seems reasonable given how many people have attacked her for playstyle alone in this game

i like you as a player and I think you're a good person titus but you're just being unreasonable rn

And you're a hypocrite at best. You've tunneled me for 30 pages based on playstyle, yet HC lying to hide theirs is townie.

Don't think you believe that at all.

[Cookie Bakers]

Zach, any lie is scummy to me until proven otherwise. Why lie? Why deceive? Hide one's meta is one thing. You still don't lie about experience. Reading people naturally determines finding what they should know and should not know. There's newb town or scum for a reason.

If you convince me HC isn't lying, ok. I doubt that's the case though.

@accountant, you're splitting hairs. HC entire ISO is ate or I am noob.

[Cookie Bakers]

That should be L minus 1

[Cookie Bakers]

i mean we have dgb going around saying everyone who agrees with him is town and everyone who disagrees is scum with 0 explanation

Caught for wrong reasons?

[Cookie Bakers]

Now you're annoying me Zach.

[Cookie Bakers]

ok guys after reading day 1 again I am starting to think CCC isnt all sweet roses and fun stuff but actuall scum. Yea he is a bit too scummy to be scum but the more I think about it the more i realise it no town would say such stuff.

Vote:CCC

~Shiro

[Cookie Bakers]

Shiro and I are in agreement here. CCC should be impaled today unless he has a good reason for his play.

Zach, your thoughts on CCC?

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: RachelMarie

Vote not moving I CC RachelMarie. I was in a good with Fire Assassin and ONE other person.

You CC mason?

as a neighbor?

[Cookie Bakers]

I'm that other person.

Why didn't you talk Math out of that?

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

WTF Math

he said he was in more than one hood

He didn't say that to us. Pretty sure that would have been pretty damn important. And you calling yourself mason doesn't make you a mason.

Site Meta is let the masons resolve themselves, barring some extreme circumstances. Massive neighborhoods is not it.

What are your thoughts on CCC?

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

WTF Math

he said he was in more than one hood

He didn't say that to us. Pretty sure that would have been pretty damn important. And you calling yourself mason doesn't make you a mason.

because the masons literally claimed in-thread day 1

did anyone read the game at all

Math is going derp paranoid.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: CCC

Everyone else is doing it

Why would you vote CCC today?

We are one of the first leading it and CCC was voting with you to lynch me for a good chunk of time. Why the change of heart?

[Cookie Bakers]

Titus is your sister like this often?

They are my sibling, so they can be like me.

They also prefer they now.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

iroanavp is town-aligned pay no attention to zach

VOTE: bacde

-Dunn

If I should pay no attention to Zach, what are your thoughts on CCC?

[Cookie Bakers]

I think Hot Chocolate should have been a vig kill. Obviously she had to die at some point, but there wasn't really a lot of information to be gained from her lynch because some Town people lynched her knowing that her alignment was probably unrelated to her behavior, but not caring. That is difficult to distinguish from scum just not caring in general.

Skelda, what are your thoughts on the wagon?

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

I think Hot Chocolate should have been a vig kill. Obviously she had to die at some point, but there wasn't really a lot of information to be gained from her lynch because some Town people lynched her knowing that her alignment was probably unrelated to her behavior, but not caring. That is difficult to distinguish from scum just not caring in general.

Skelda, what are your thoughts on the wagon?

~Titus

Someone else said this, I forget who, but I read the beginning part of the wagon just annoyed that you guys were lynching the player without experience like you always do, but once HC started speaking I was like, ok, they are going to die. But I still would have preferred a wagon on someone else, I'm assuming we had a couple vig shots last Night and one of them could have been on HC.

I'd have preferred an Ira lynch if you guys insisted on lynching a weaker player. That would leave Town with more to work with now.

Sorry, I meant the current wagons. What are your thoughts on those?

[Cookie Bakers]

Yeah, iraonavp is scum or has zero idea on how to play his role. Shiro's in the scum camp.

I still want to lynch CCC though.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

Neopolitan in a game with masons is a scumclaim.

????

no?

Neopolitan is a designed counter for masons. Seriously. Like if masons exist scum almost always has a neo for balance.

it's role madness.

I just rolled town Neapolitan in a large normal.

[Cookie Bakers]

Yeah, iraonavp is scum or has zero idea on how to play his role. Shiro's in the scum camp.

I still want to lynch CCC though.

~Titus

I'm town-aligned, and I do know how to play my role... Why would I check a VT if I already trusted them?

Your role (if town) exists to confirm town, not catch scum.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

@Math, talk to me about CCC please or reads by play, not by mechanics...please...

[Cookie Bakers]

Anyways I will not approve of voting iroanavp

let's get a bacde wagon started...

-Dunn

You think Shaz, iraonvp and CCC are all town?

[Cookie Bakers]

@Math, talk to me about CCC please or reads by play, not by mechanics...please...

Iroanavp should be the lynch. I have a scumread on you and so don't want to lynch CCC right now because of that.

This doesn't answer the question at all.

I don't want you to decide your opinion on the lynch. I want your feedback on reads.

[Cookie Bakers]

let me just repeat this part for emphasis.

DEAR IRAON: you are the one who screwed up here and everything anyone says negatively about you is completely justified from a town point of view

[size reduced by Titus]

Hey, you need a talking to.

Just because someone makes a mistake doesn't make them a punching bad for the so called "better" players to pound on. Get a grip.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: Mathblade

Actually we should get this guy

-Dunn

This is a better alternative to the Ira wagon.

Ira can be dealt with quietly.

If the group is dumb, I would pray that CCC can be dealt with quietly.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

That makes no sense whatsoever.

no, it makes pure, perfect, delicious sense, and you either refuse to acknowledge it or are too dumb to understand why it makes sense.

Don't you think scum would coach iraonavp on how to claim neopolitan? His action makes sense for a newbie.

Why would scum tell him that's his fakeclaim and NOT check DGB or Elitism?

I'm not thinking iraonvp is the smartest crayon, but I don't see a scum set of behaviors. Could he be? Sure. Am I a fan of this wagon? No.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: Mathblade

Actually we should get this guy

-Dunn

This is a better alternative to the Ira wagon.

Ira can be dealt with quietly.

If the group is dumb, I would pray that CCC can be dealt with quietly.

~Titus

You have little reasoning to back up your tunnel

-Dunn

Then why do I have 4 votes there already? You think CCC is town? Why is he town given his poor play yesterday? Don't gloss over it.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

@Parama, still not cool. Being verbally abusive isn't cool and when you do that, I just want to tune you out.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

@Titus
I see what you're saying.

But Ira didn't come into this day expecting to have to fakeclaim. I think he panicked, picked an odd but believable role (he said he's played in a game with it before) and didn't think about what he was doing when he said he checked Shaziro. He just wanted to make sure his claim was correct.

Possible, but I just find it so remote and farfetched. With so many players, someone should have coached iraonvp if he was scum.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

That makes no sense whatsoever.

no, it makes pure, perfect, delicious sense, and you either refuse to acknowledge it or are too dumb to understand why it makes sense.

Don't you think scum would coach iraonavp on how to claim neopolitan? His action makes sense for a newbie.

Why would scum tell him that's his fakeclaim and NOT check DGB or Elitism?

I'm not thinking iraonvp is the smartest crayon, but I don't see a scum set of behaviors. Could he be? Sure. Am I a fan of this wagon? No.

~Titus

I am actually. Especially since you tried to confirm DGB and voted ironavp earlier for claiming VT. Now you have proof they are lying and don't want to vote them because you claim this is like a newbie?

I was with a newbie scum Neopolitan who was on his own because both the partners flaked before I replaced in and they didn't fake claim VT. Like newbie town doesn't lie. This reeks of a failed gambit especially with the DGB/Ironavp/Cookie Bakers interactions.

Are you seriously scumreading DGB right now?

[Cookie Bakers]

[redacted image]

p-edit: titus the point is that his moves make no sense from a town perspective and that's why scumreads based on his play are justified

But they do make sense supposing a town that has zero clue what he is doing...

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

hmm uggh that ISO

I could get behind a bacde lynch

can we do CCC tomorrow then Dunn?

We should totally do CCC today.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

I agree too that all those people should be roped eventually,

so can we rope CCC today?

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

for clarification's sake:

Shaziro, what specifically is your result on ira? did you get his exact role or a VT/not VT result?

p-edit: mathblade is bleeding town all over the place, i have no clue why anyone is voting him

I saw him use a Neapolitan check. I was checking the scummiest of the VT claims to me, and look, I was right. He was lying.

VOTE: Iraonavp

Pedit-math can confirm, I specifically told the hood that I would be getting information on iraon to help solve this VT business.

I do confirm this.

@Titus -- Your response to the post I linked where you talked about Iroanavp?

[Cookie Bakers]

No. CCC I have a town read on

Guess what your read is?

1.Wrong
2. Really wrong
Or
3.Not right

~Shiro

[Cookie Bakers]

Okay, first of all in that game I was being deliberately quiet because I was bodyguard.

It's role madness?
Even for BODYGUARD you were careful

So why not this game?

-Dunn

Because I am just vanilla ("Citizen") in this game.

Here. This. Unprovoked claimage. No idea if in danger of NK or not so claiming to avoid NK is bullshit.

Iroanavp needs to be lynched.

Kinda have to agree with math here. I personally believe Ira is scum, Titus thinks he might have just made horrible choices

[Cookie Bakers]

VT is only town-aligned, I don't get positive result on a goon.

'Vanilla Cop,' if used, will return a result of 'Vanilla,' 'Not Vanilla,' or 'No Result.' Targets that yield a result of 'Vanilla' are Vanilla Townies, Mafia Goons, and a Serial Killer with no abilities or modifiers.

???

is neopolitan not "vanilla cop"?

No. Neopolitan gets a no result on a goon.

[Cookie Bakers]

@Dunn, talk to me on CCC

His VT stances yesterday were terrible.

[Cookie Bakers]

iraon:

please start considering things from other peoples' point of view. sure, it makes no sense from your point of view, but it makes sense from the point of view of the other 36 living players.

What are you talking about?

I consider things from other people's points of view, but almost invariably I am right otherwise I would change to have their opinion...

[Cookie Bakers]

ira, just sheep me?

[Cookie Bakers]

Iraon lied about his role for no reason other than to "Stay alive" by his own admission. That's a scummy mindset to begin with. He wasn't asked for a roleclaim, nobody expected it, people got annoyed when he -did- claim. And then he let the town go chasing after their own damn tails trying to figure out who was lying about their VT claim when he knew the whole time it was him. How the hell does that benefit town in any way? Then, he's arguing that finding out that I'm not a VT means I'm scum. Ignoring the fact that I specifically said I would be getting information -on him- to -sort out this VT shit-, he's trying to argue that I just got lucky that he checked me. If I had that kind of premonition, I'd be playing the damn powerball, not Mafia. But he still wants to push me as scum, because he's been caught.

So far, we've got him lying for no good reason, doing things to keep himself alive rather than benefit town, contradicting himself with the "I didn't know it was Role Madness" DESPITE THAT BEING IN THE NAME OF THE GAME, AND THERE BEING ACTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF VTS IN A ROLE MADNESS GAME, WITH SEVERAL LINKS TO "ROLE MADNESS" ON THE FUCKING WIKI, letting town sit there in a death spiral about who the fuck was lying about a VT which is -actively harmful- to town, and all he has to say other than that is "but I'm town guys, for reals".

Lynch. This. Shit.

Investigatives do things to survive too.

Being a flawed human being doesn't make someone scum.

ABR is notorious for lying as town.

Sometimes lying is the best play.

Just because it's not good ideal or what you'd do doesn't make it scummy.

Why aren't you voting CCC?

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

Iraon lied about his role for no reason other than to "Stay alive" by his own admission. That's a scummy mindset to begin with. He wasn't asked for a roleclaim, nobody expected it, people got annoyed when he -did- claim. And then he let the town go chasing after their own damn tails trying to figure out who was lying about their VT claim when he knew the whole time it was him. How the hell does that benefit town in any way? Then, he's arguing that finding out that I'm not a VT means I'm scum. Ignoring the fact that I specifically said I would be getting information -on him- to -sort out this VT shit-, he's trying to argue that I just got lucky that he checked me. If I had that kind of premonition, I'd be playing the damn powerball, not Mafia. But he still wants to push me as scum, because he's been caught.

So far, we've got him lying for no good reason, doing things to keep himself alive rather than benefit town, contradicting himself with the "I didn't know it was Role Madness" DESPITE THAT BEING IN THE NAME OF THE GAME, AND THERE BEING ACTIVE CONVERSATION ABOUT THE AMOUNT OF VTS IN A ROLE MADNESS GAME, WITH SEVERAL LINKS TO "ROLE MADNESS" ON THE FUCKING WIKI, letting town sit there in a death spiral about who the fuck was lying about a VT which is -actively harmful- to town, and all he has to say other than that is "but I'm town guys, for reals".

Lynch. This. Shit.

I lied with perfectly good reason. I have already explained this but you deliberately refuse to acknowledge it.

I couldn't go back on my claim otherwise this would happen. None of that conversation happened until after I claimed...

I softed my result on you to start with, it is clearly coincidence. You are, again, deliberately refusing to acknowledge this because you are scum-aligned.

No he's town and pissed off the man he caught lying isn't going to be lynched. I'd be pissed in his shoes too if it wasn't so obvious CCC is scum.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

DGB, CCC hasn't seen Star Wars. We should lynch him for that.

[Cookie Bakers]

I can't do that Shaziro because I think iraonvp is town.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

If you get VT, then Neapolitan is useful because it could be used to confirm DGB and Long_Island_Medium as Town and a No Result would tell you virtually nothing.

Vanilla Cop is more useful because I think its optimal use is to catch Goons. Neapoliton can't catch Goons, so it is best used to confirm Town.

Okay, well those two players I already thought are town-aligned, so it doesn't in this case even though you are being theoretical about it...

It doesn't matter what you think. You could be wrong and your role is useless apart from that.

The only thing is, if Ira were a scum Neapoliton why wouldn't his buddies tell him to target either Long Island or DGB? That seems like the optimal choice from their perspective too given that they can't be confident in those claims either. Unless, of course, he's buddies with one of them.

You are right that I don't have any buddies, but your argument is nonsense. I still stand by that I made the correct choice. I very highly doubt that either of the VT claims are scum-aligned.

You didn't.

Your role exists to confirm your accuracy, not to hunt down suspicions.

[Cookie Bakers]

@Dunn, talk to me on CCC

His VT stances yesterday were terrible.

Just for you I'll read over his stuff

-Dunn

Thank you.

[Cookie Bakers]

If you get VT, then Neapolitan is useful because it could be used to confirm DGB and Long_Island_Medium as Town and a No Result would tell you virtually nothing.

Vanilla Cop is more useful because I think its optimal use is to catch Goons. Neapoliton can't catch Goons, so it is best used to confirm Town.

Okay, well those two players I already thought are town-aligned, so it doesn't in this case even though you are being theoretical about it...

It doesn't matter what you think. You could be wrong and your role is useless apart from that.

The only thing is, if Ira were a scum Neapoliton why wouldn't his buddies tell him to target either Long Island or DGB? That seems like the optimal choice from their perspective too given that they can't be confident in those claims either. Unless, of course, he's buddies with one of them.

You are right that I don't have any buddies, but your argument is nonsense. I still stand by that I made the correct choice. I very highly doubt that either of the VT claims are scum-aligned.

You didn't.

Your role exists to confirm your accuracy, not to hunt down suspicions.

I disagree. If you were a cop, why would you check someone you think is town-aligned? Neapolitan is basically a weaker cop, but you will not be very sure about a guilty result.

Neopolitan doesn't confirm scum like cop or gunsmith, unless they claim VT. You only get a yes if someone is town AND vanilla. Having conftown in a 4 KPN game is a good idea. Especially when VTs are not high priority kill targets.

[Cookie Bakers]

CCC is clearly a counter lynch proposed against iroanavp.

CCC's poking of iroanavp was pretty good to me. I am not interested in a CCC lynch when we have pretty damn near confirmed scum in Iroanavp. Especially when one of the slots pushing it heavily.

If only I had enough votes I would hard lynch ironavp no regrets.

Time warp...

CCC happened first today and was scummy yesterday.

[Cookie Bakers]

It is the fucking title of the game! How the heck does someone not know role madness when it is in the title?

The fact a counter wagon even has air is disappointing.

CCC should already be dead. He shouldn't be sucking air.

The moon has very little air, but still he's sucking it.

[Cookie Bakers]

Spoiler: CCC

He is pretty much always lynchbait, scum or town. I've seen in a few times in games, including Legend of the Hidden Speakeasy. Check that game out, specifically for the time he called me scum for not accepting him saying that if I flip town he'll lynch himself. His argument was that there was no way I could know that the site rules forbid playing against your win condition.

VOTE: iraonavp

That's pretty horrible reasoning. Was he actually scum in that game, though, or just idiotic Town?

I did not see dgb claim where did she do that?

Before the day started. Said she was "the token Vanilla Townie". From context, it may quite probably have been intended only as a joke, and seems unlikely to be a reliable claim.

Right, which is why I instead voted Cookie Bakers.

Note how she jumps onto iroanavp for the reasoning "there can't be two vanilla town in a game" but doesn't consider DGB, or that it's a 42 person game
They also didn't consider that iroanavp didn't see the initial claim (which I believe regardless of his alignment) and used that as reasoning while ignoring the other points on him

-Dunn

DGB's claim was before the start of Day 1. It was either a poor attempt at humour, or it was exceedingly suspicious.

...personally, I'm thinking "poor attempt at humour". They've probably got some or other role.

Pretty sure Cookie Bakers has a scum head.
Pretty sure its Titus.

Can't wait to hear from Shiro though.

Can a hydra's heads really have different alignments?

I don't think it was an attempt at humour.

Though perhaps we should wait for DGB herself to say something

-Dunn

If it wasn't an attempt at humour, then I find it exceedingly suspicious. What reason was there to claim before day 1 even started?

Pretty sure Cookie Bakers has a scum head.
Pretty sure its Titus.

Can't wait to hear from Shiro though.

Can a hydra's heads really have different alignments?

No.

In that case, if Cookie Bakers has one scum head, surely that means all heads are scum? Why single out just one?

Yeah, because I am being called scum-aligned just for being VT... That is the stupid part here.

No, you re being called scum-aligned just for

claiming

VT. However, since others have pointed out that this is pretty much how you act whether Town or Scum, for the moment I'm willing to entertain the hypothesis that you are merely being an idiot.

Besides, there are scummier players around.

Why is it unlikely for there to be two VT in a 42-player game, again? I realize it's called "role madness", but isn't every game at least 50% VT?

... why is it impossible to post anything in this game? It keeps sending me back to post review... hi CCC!

Hi, Boring.

I'm going to guess it's because of the sheer number of players. I mean, there are a

LOT

of players in this game...

Do you think there are multiple VT?

Dunno. This is my first role madness game. Doubt it.

VT in role madness is a bit millerish in the sense that claiming it later in game will look super suspicious, so I thought it best to get it out of the way.

Wait, you were actually

SERIOUS

?

...that is

exceedingly

suspicious. Why claim at all, then?

If we assume that there is only one VT, then two of {DGN, Iraonavp, long_island_medium} must be scum. Cookie Bakers is still suspicious, but has nowhere near two-thirds odds of scummishness.

So.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

If we assume that there is only one VT, then two of {DGN, Iraonavp, long_island_medium} must be scum. Cookie Bakers is still suspicious, but has nowhere near two-thirds odds of scummishness.

So.

VOTE: DrippingGoofball

Okay, that's ridiculous...

Why would you assume there is only one VT? There are probably a lot of VTs!

And why would you vote DGB out of those three, when she claimed first?

I assumed only one VT because this is a role madness game - I expect everyone except maybe one person to have a power role of some sort.

Since three people claimed VT, I therefore assume that two of them are lying.

Town has no reason to lie, especially when there's no pressure on the player. Therefore, I assume the two liars are scum.

Problem is, I have no idea which two those are. I voted for DrippingGoofball simply because claiming before the day even

started

seems rather suspicious to me.

CCC, what is that train of thought?

Train of thought:

- Role madness implies maximum one Vanilla Townie
- Three people, under no particular pressure in two cases and under threat of an early-stage RVS wagon in the third, claimed VT.
- This implies that two of them are lying.
- Town, when under little to no threat, has no reason to lie (and I can't quite figure out why they'd roleclaim at all, in fact)
- Scum have every reason to lie
- Since it was implied that two of them are lying, I therefore conclude that the two liars are scum
- I have no idea which two are the liars, so I vote for one of the VT claimants. This gives me a two-thirds chance of voting for scum.

i feel like it's 100x more likely those vt claimers are people who got some boring ass normal role(watcher, motion detector) and decided to troll by claiming vt

That seems kind of stupid to me, but I guess some people might think like that.

Between this and the point that Vanilla Townies would look super suspicious to Vanilla Cops and thus have reason to claim early, I'm becoming a lot less confident in my vote

UNVOTE: DrippingGoofball

I assumed only one VT because this is a role madness game

Yet you voted us for making the same assumption and voting Ira for it......

Honourable mention to long Island for doing the same.

No, I voted you because you were encouraging what looked like bad strategy (random Vanilla Townclaims) and appeared to be deflecting scum accusations rather than answering them.

I have since been told why early random Vanilla Townclaims may make sense (i.e. because they look scummy as anything to Vanilla Cops). On the other hand, you still look kindof scummish (for one thing, you couldn't explain at the time why you thought early vanilla townclaims in Role Madness were at all a good idea), and at the moment it seems that that's the best I have to go on, so I'll put my vote back on you. Until I find something better.

VOTE: Cookie Bakers

But you voted us and agreed with other for voting Ira for making the sane role madness assumption

...no, I voted you for (what at the time looked like) poor strategy and trying to deflect accusations of scum against yourself by passing it off as a joke. The strategy is now a nullread because of Vanilla Cops, but the deflection and general scummishness remain; thus, since I've now been convinced that my vote on the VT claimants was probably not the best idea, I'm reverting to voting on the person who looks scummiest.

CCC, what is that train of thought?

Train of thought:

- Role madness implies maximum one Vanilla Townie
- Three people, under no particular pressure in two cases and under threat of an early-stage RVS wagon in the third, claimed VT.
- This implies that two of them are lying.
- Town, when under little to no threat, has no reason to lie (and I can't quite figure out why they'd roleclaim at all, in fact)
- Scum have every reason to lie
- Since it was implied that two of them are lying, I therefore conclude that the two liars are scum
- I have no idea which two are the liars, so I vote for one of the VT claimants. This gives me a two-thirds chance of voting for scum.

I don't think you're scum for this but seriously that's BS

This game has 45 players so your assumptions fly out of the window

Yeah, seems like I may have been a bit hasty. Should have stuck with Cookie Bakers.

okay, i figured out why ccc is being suspected?

i was originally going to brush it off as multiball but no. i get it.

1. first, thought that cookie saying there could only be 1 VT was scummy

This is what Cookie has been claiming, but it is wrong. (Not sure if Cookie is deliberately lying or dimply misunderstood me).

I thought that Cookie saying that VTs should claim early in a Role Madness game was scummy. I never thought that Cookie saying there could only be one VT was scummy.

I could see them as town

What specifically were you scumreading him for? It doesn't look like he was calling you scummy for the "one vt" thing exactly, though I agree his stuff is dumb (you think ira is town so???)

Bacde naked voting this wagon is bad

-Dunn

This isn't singleball most likely. There's going to be bad votes from opposing scum and scum bussing. Bad votes don't phase me unless they are the bulk of the wagon.

Their 180 on us when convenient. Their lack of scumhunting.

I don't see them as dumb town.

[Cookie Bakers]

MathBlade I get it. I was all ready to lynch Ira with fire. But (no offense) I think he really is just that stupid.

VOTE: Bacde

Think I like my vote better here

I has sads. Are we repeating history here?

[Cookie Bakers]

reading thread...

Neopolitan in a game with masons is a scumclaim.

what's the idea of this? does it still apply in role madness?

Because it is. In a smaller game scum gets neopolitans to find the town PRs.
In a large game like this it is still hugely powerful because scum can then find threats outside of their group.
A Neopolitan is one of the most if not the most important role as scum.

In a role madness? There's only 1 VT :S

Like just full stop. This is bad.

Can you talk to me about your reads based on behavior from yesterday?

[Cookie Bakers]

Lol^

Yeah I also haven't forgotten that Cookie is scum. I just don't have the energy for that today

P-edit
What history

Cookies...

[Cookie Bakers]

Alright gang, let's turn Bacde to ketchup.

Yeah I also haven't forgotten that Cookie is scum. I just don't have the energy for that today

I blame Denmark. It's always Denmark's fault.

[Cookie Bakers]

???

P-edit:
Were you saying Cookie town slipped by saying "this is most likely multiball"? Because to me it looks fake. The setup is OBVIOUSLY multiball

I feel like I'm missing something

Yes. Like come back to the US from Denmark sweetie.

In the US, we lynch CCC. For AMERICA!

[Cookie Bakers]

Alright gang, let's turn Bacde to ketchup.

Yeah I also haven't forgotten that Cookie is scum. I just don't have the energy for that today

I blame Denmark. It's always Denmark's fault.

Interestingly enough, Map Wolf(who replaced in) is from Denmark. Hello, new friend.


Maybe this is his fault?

- Zach

Map Wolf hasn't posted in the thread... why would it be his fault? How did you know he's from Denmark?

(Denmark reference wasn't to him.)

[Cookie Bakers]

I'm lost

And going to bed for real this time

Maybe when you're not as sleepy you can reflect on this...

[Cookie Bakers]

Spoiler: Cuz bored - Read to Blake Shelton's Ol Red

Well I caught CCC with a terrible line
And it cost me a lot of time
In a thread trying to secure a lynch that's right
Well I've been here for two long days
I finally made the Drixx my friend
And so he sentenced me to a life of ease
Takin' care of ol' red now ol' red
CCC's the damnedest dog that I've ever seen
Got a nose that can dodge a two day trail
He's a four legged sneakin' machine
You can consider yourself mighty lucky
To get past the townies in the extreme derpfest
But all these years that I've been here ain't nobody got past this

And the Drixx sang
Come on somebody why don't you run
Logic's itchin' to have a little fun
Get my lantern get my gun
Town'll have you treed 'for the mornin' comes

Well I payed off the mod
And I sent out a letter to my hoodmates out east
And they brought down a plan as pretty as could ever be
Well we pinned up to the votecounts
'Bout a day south of the thread open
Well I'd take off for my slumber this evenin'
I'd just drop him off and wait

And the Drixx sang
Come on somebody why don't you run
Logic's itchin' to have a little fun
Get my lantern get my gun
Town'll have you treed 'for the mornin' comes

Now I got used to seeing my Shiro every night
So I am going to be sad when we have no more GIF days
We waited 'til the time got right
Well I made my run in the evenin' sun
And I smiled when I heard the scums come out
'Cause I was headed north to GiFlands and the scums were heading south

And the Drixx sang
Come on somebody why don't you run
Logic's itchin' to have a little fun
Get my lantern get my gun
Town'll have you treed 'for the mornin' comes

Now there's happiness
All in the town
Love got me in here
And love got me out

[Cookie Bakers]

If you get VT, then Neapolitan is useful because it could be used to confirm DGB and Long_Island_Medium as Town and a No Result would tell you virtually nothing.

Vanilla Cop is more useful because I think its optimal use is to catch Goons. Neapoliton can't catch Goons, so it is best used to confirm Town.

Okay, well those two players I already thought are town-aligned, so it doesn't in this case even though you are being theoretical about it...

It doesn't matter what you think. You could be wrong and your role is useless apart from that.

The only thing is, if Ira were a scum Neapoliton why wouldn't his buddies tell him to target either Long Island or DGB? That seems like the optimal choice from their perspective too given that they can't be confident in those claims either. Unless, of course, he's buddies with one of them.

You are right that I don't have any buddies, but your argument is nonsense. I still stand by that I made the correct choice. I very highly doubt that either of the VT claims are scum-aligned.

You didn't.

Your role exists to confirm your accuracy, not to hunt down suspicions.

I disagree. If you were a cop, why would you check someone you think is town-aligned? Neapolitan is basically a weaker cop, but you will not be very sure about a guilty result.

There was so much time spent yesterday talking about how there weren't usually many VTs in role madness. And you clearly understood it yesterday, you talked about it. You are either lying about who you investigated or you made an awful choice.

Yes, but this all happened after I claimed VT, and I could hardly go back on it then. I knew I would have to claim eventually but I just tried my best to go along with it for now because I didn't expect Shaziro to immediately out me... And I talked about it to say that there were clearly more VTs in this game even though it's "role madness"...

Neither of those things are the case!

You are not listening to me and are talking in circles. Honestly this isn't a helpful conversation and is just spamming up the thread so I'm going to stop. Just investigate longislandmedium or DGB if you survivre today and don't question it.

Okay, I agree that it's not a helpful conversation.

I'll target long_island_medium if you really want.

Any VT claimer.

[Cookie Bakers]

can't overlook Titus attentiveness on CCC

No one has given a reason CCC is town, just diversions.

Until then, CCC needs more rope.

[Cookie Bakers]

Can't sleep. Cookie Bakers is a hypocrite. They said cCC's play regarding VTs was bad.

I point out where they thought ironavp is scum and their logic directly contradicts what they are doing now.

I am not touching CCC with a 1000 foot pole and those of you voting should look hard at Cookie Bakers.

Dumb town is a thing.

You should sleep.

[Cookie Bakers]

IRAON IF YOU ARE VT THEN IT IS POSSIBLE TO HAVE VT WHY ARE YOU ASKING THIS

This

Now, if you'll excuse me, I will grab my guns and exit stage left.

Seriously....Like if Iroanavp was telling the truth they would have to know VTs exist. The fact that one of the heads points it out and then conveniently pushes CCC today is HORRIBLE.

The stuff they accuse CCC of doing being a hypocrite is what Cookie Bakers is doing.

Stop voting the counter wagon.

@Lapsa, Yup. Kinda figured it wasn't obvious already from something someone said D1 but yup. 3 person hood here.

[Cookie Bakers]

Can't sleep. Cookie Bakers is a hypocrite. They said cCC's play regarding VTs was bad.

I point out where they thought ironavp is scum and their logic directly contradicts what they are doing now.

I am not touching CCC with a 1000 foot pole and those of you voting should look hard at Cookie Bakers.

Dumb town is a thing.

You should sleep.

You only call me dumb as scum.

Iraonvp is dumb town.

You're just please shut up and sleep.

[Cookie Bakers]

I love how you call me crazy instead of addressing the hypocrisy I pointed out.

Actually, that was the world as a whole. You can't expect perfect consistency from D1 to D2 with new evidence and information.

It was obvious that iraonvp was not a VT.

How he claimed neo makes sense from derp town.

[Cookie Bakers]

Seriously....Like if Iroanavp was telling the truth they would have to know VTs exist. The fact that one of the heads points it out and then conveniently pushes CCC today is HORRIBLE.

The stuff they accuse CCC of doing being a hypocrite is what Cookie Bakers is doing.

Stop voting the counter wagon.

over 1000 posts happened between this post and end of day

Agreed. But nothing in those posts changes the argument provided. In fact it enhances it.

If Iroanavp was a VT cop and town then he would know VTs would exist.

Named townies are things.

[Cookie Bakers]

i actually have no clue what math is trying to argue now

She's arguing for investments in liqour stock options.

[Cookie Bakers]

Thank you Shaz.

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: CCC

Everyone else is doing it

VOTE: cookie bakers

i don't understand the wagon on ccc

burn this with fire

Agreed.

Now, if only we could have the deer run over all these scumfuck drivers?

[Cookie Bakers]

@Lapsa, why would you suggest this publicly? Like I'm not confirming or denying a guilty at this stage.

DGB is obvtown for play and how they claimed VT. They are also dead in the water if iraonvp is real.

@Parama, We need more lynches. CCC today. Accountant or boring tomorrow.

Scums are cracking.

[Cookie Bakers]

Accountant and CCC are likely buddies anyway.

[Cookie Bakers]

i'm totally up for invoking lynch all liars tbh

p-edit: iraon, why does someone showing up as not-VT make them more suspicious?

starting with BBMolla...

from my experience - i've come to conclusion that lynch all liars is mostly counterproductive

Where did BBmolla lie?

[Cookie Bakers]

It is midnight and I have to be up in 6 hours and have to take some melatonin because it is pissing me off we are letting Cookie Bakers push a mislynch

Ccc isn't flipping town no matter what you wish to believe :p

P.efit


LWT ME POST

[Cookie Bakers]

VOTE: Accountant
i'm up for having a bad time

Parama, eyes on the prize.

We got vigs for the accountants and borings.

[Cookie Bakers]

cookie i have a power where everyone i vote dies the next night

just let me go do what i do

Ok, just come back home to mama bear when all is said and done.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

@Lapsa, why would you suggest this publicly? Like I'm not confirming or denying a guilty at this stage.

and you should keep it at that. just explaining my read

You should still vote CCC.

[Cookie Bakers]

i'm totally up for invoking lynch all liars tbh

p-edit: iraon, why does someone showing up as not-VT make them more suspicious?

starting with BBMolla...

from my experience - i've come to conclusion that lynch all liars is mostly counterproductive

Where did BBmolla lie?

i presume that's shiro speaking.
Tito would notice that ridiculous vote-vengeful-killer-something claim

I'm a dog now.

Woof! Vote CCC. Woof!

Link the post.

I don;t think the vote claim is legit but he needs to do his thing to sort accountant.

[Cookie Bakers]

He's fucking town.

Nu uh

[Cookie Bakers]

We'll see

Yeah, so where did you leave your blindfold?

I could use it for some kinky fun.

~Titus

[Cookie Bakers]

[Cookie Bakers]

Good night.

[Cookie Bakers]

Hey, Varsoon why did you fake claim? Dgb is town by play.

How did you miss the roses? I had sads.

[Cookie Bakers]

Can someone explain to me the difference in reaction to ira and dgb being caught in a lie? I think they both need to go. No single role in role-madness is valuable enough to be worth gambiting over. I also struggle believing ira is this incompetent.

We should do more of what mathblade is saying

Hey, let's lynch people for not taking what I view as the preordained action and ignore CCC.

[Cookie Bakers]

Math, you put any thought into behavior based reads yet or is it all about discrediting? Discredit basons? Discredit cookie? Discredit dgb? Discredit iraonvp?

[Cookie Bakers]

If you want to lynch scum, you should vote CCC.

If you want to whine more about mechanics and my cc was wrong but let's lynch obvtown anyway, keep doing what you're doing.

[Cookie Bakers]

Hey, Varsoon why did you fake claim? Dgb is town by play.

How did you miss the roses? I had sads.

If you think Varsoon is fake claiming why aren't you voting them?

For the same reason iraonvp isn't voted.

Town can lie. We vote scum.

[Cookie Bakers]

Caught up, I have a little love poem for you guys.

Roses are red,
Violets are blue.
This guy is scum,
Is that a vote we can do?

VOTE: Skelda

Nope. They are town.

We can do CCC.

[Cookie Bakers]

Wow, another person who thinks we're mystically sorting yet doesn't vote CCC?

By now the indirect shade overreactions and just diversions from CCC have got to be scum motivated.

[Cookie Bakers]

Nope. They are town.

why?

Because of how they claimed VT. How they played yesterday

[Cookie Bakers]

Because DGB is town.

Why you faking when we have CCC?

[Cookie Bakers]

could we all please make a pact now NO MORE LYING OR TROLLING ABOUT YOUR ROLE

well unless you are scum then carry on

That's all of what people have to save CCC.

[Cookie Bakers]

Nope. They are town.

why?

Because of how they claimed VT. How they played yesterday

who da fuck are you talking about?

neither Skelda nor Elitism claimed VT

this is what people mean by you being manipulative

That quote stream is about DGB so...

[Cookie Bakers]

CCC is a simple name that will flip scum.

Why you gotta do this?

[Cookie Bakers]

i do not have the time to respond to everything that's happened since i went to sleep

i will say this:
oh hey, we have two neopolitans and two VTs who lied about being VT
stop doing that! wow! stop lying!

THIS VERY MUCH THIS

I think Varsoon is lying but same difference.

CCC isn't town, not just dumb.

[Cookie Bakers]

RM, trust me.

*bats eyelashes*

Like CCC is lurking this out.

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That quote stream is about DGB so...

you misquoted Elitism on #2042?

We were talking about DGB. Elitism was talking about Skelda.

Skelda is town due to obvious crumbs.

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@serra, DGB is not a noob.

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i do not have the time to respond to everything that's happened since i went to sleep

i will say this:
oh hey, we have two neopolitans and two VTs who lied about being VT
stop doing that! wow! stop lying!

THIS VERY MUCH THIS

I think Varsoon is lying but same difference.

CCC isn't town, not just dumb.

Why would town!varsoon be lying here?

To push through a lynch he thinks is right but cannot get support for otherwise.

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if iraon was scum he wouldn't have done what he did at all.

Bacde is a way better lynch. WAYY better.

- Zach

Sure man who do I vote instead? This is way too many ppl for me so I'm down to get whoever and you seem active I'll be your second vote

Hey vote CCC today. Probably boring tomorrow.

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because var is more believable?

Because DGB is an excellent player?

Because DGB's signature talks about fake claims n shit?

Right so why would DGB fakeclaim sole VT. She wouldn't.

Come back to CCC. Please?

Why did Shiro not leave his GiFs?

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has anyone here besides me played with Var before?

Hydraed with him, currently modding a large game with him in signups (Shadowrun mafia - shameless plug), played with him about half a dozen times, and love his modded games.

~Titus

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Kling catch up dear we are passed that part

Tell Grandma in the mason PT that this catchup seriously doesn't fucking work. I've told her in the past umpteen games.

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cookie is too confident that varsoon is lying here, imo

CCC is scum. So *shrug*

While it's possible that Varsoon mystically got a guilty on an obvious townie that can never be repeated, it's more likely just Varsoon being stubborn and faking to lynch DGB.

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So why do you think he is fake claiming a 1 shot neo role and giving a result on DGB one of the most well known tunnelers on site

Basically if he is lying he has signed his own death certificate because you KNOW when DGB sees it she will tunnel on him like mad

Really? DGB tunnels?

I'm the queen of tunnels.

CCC is scum.

Varsoon wants DGB gone. I'm not buying it as true with all the deflection from CCC.

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She is probably responding to my all caps rage I did in there at your sibling like before I went to sleep.

I slept since then Im better now

plus they are looking at other things instead of tunneling a Mason now

We weren't talking about Math?

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What did DGB do?

Allegedly claimed VT when not a VT.